OH GOD, THE ANTI GAMES PEOPLE WERE RIGHT!

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Doclector

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So. You're a gamer. You've seen all the crap before. You've seen people get all uppity about combat in a church when it's happened thousands of times before. You've seen a hundred poorly made reports linking games to violence. You've seen mass effect be called alien pornography, you've seen call of duty be called a murder training simulator.

Then, every once in a while, it happens. There's an outrage, and you agree with it. When has it happened to you?

EDIT: Of course, the whole "games cause violence" thing is BS, always has been BS, and until a game system is invented that actively injects various chemicals into the brain, always will be BS. What I'm saying is when has there been an individual uproar about a game that you agreed with, that it crossed "the line".

Mine came when I heard about the alien hive level in duke nukem forever. When I heard the outrage, I thought "Dumbasses, can't they see it's a simple aliens reference?" After a while of hearing about it, I got curious and looked up a walkthrough on youtube. And it was horrible.

It wasn't that amazingly graphic. They body asplode, then loads of little alien critters pop out, honestly, that's probably the most friendly they could've done an aliens reference visually. But then there's the sound design. Screaming, crying, saying stuff like "I wanna go home" and "how can it already be moving!!?" It's goddamn horrible! How the f*** did the game designers think this could be funny? Was it supposed to be this bad? Was it supposed to be a genuine scary section? Because that's blown away the moment the duke tells two victims "You're f***ed".

In fact, it reminded me of the sound design in dead space 2. People can say what they want about dead space, but I will defend the sound design to the death. The section where you come out of the hospital into a residential area, and you can hear an the screaming of an unimaginable number of people. See, dead space is a game that goes close to the edge at points, but it's okay there, because it's all done to achieve a scary effect, it doesn't imply f***ing rape, and most of all, the audience aren't expected to laugh at it, at all. It's all meant to be scary and even tragic.

Seriously, whoever made that section and thought "Yep, the prolonged torture, rape, and eventual painful death of thousands of innocent women is hilarious!" is sick. And that's coming from me.
 

Zhukov

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I honestly don't understand why this causes more outrage than, say, killing civilians in a GTA or Fallout game.
 
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Just watched the level you were talking about...

The voice acting is so tongue in cheek and is obviously a parody.

I don't really see where you're coming from.

I agree with your assessment of Dead Space though, the SFX are awesome in that game.
 

Jynthor

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Nope, couldn't care less about that level. If it were men instead of women this thread would probably never have been made.
That's sexist, you know.
 

Doclector

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ChupathingyX said:
That didn't affect me at all.

Probably because I've seen much worse in the same "category".
Anyone on the internet probably has, but what gets me is that I'm EXPECTED to laugh at this concept. Sure, the voice acting was terrible, and it was obviously meant to be tongue in cheek, but, I think it failed in that and went right into nightmare fuel territory.

But maybe my minds eye is just seeing far further than I want it to...
 

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That scene was an outright failure to me. It was just plain repulsive and I didn't find it funny at all. But honestly it wasn't just the "anti-games" people saying it. I'm sure a lot of people who enjoy games who saw that scene were also unimpressed.

It's probably partly because I'm squeamish, but that was just wrong on multiple levels.
 

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Doclector said:
ChupathingyX said:
That didn't affect me at all.

Probably because I've seen much worse in the same "category".
Anyone on the internet probably has, but what gets me is that I'm EXPECTED to laugh at this concept. Sure, the voice acting was terrible, and it was obviously meant to be tongue in cheek, but, I think it failed in that and went right into nightmare fuel territory.

But maybe my minds eye is just seeing far further than I want it to...
In that case then I've seen worse attempts at comedy, in both fiction and real life.

I think you may be looking into it a bit too much; everyone laughs at different things. It wouldn't surprise me at all if someone found that level funny, I didn't, but some people would have.

The scene in Pulp Fiction where Marvin gets his head blown clean off had me in hysterics, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone else may find that disgusting or offensive.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Just watched the level you were talking about...

The voice acting is so tongue in cheek and is obviously a parody.

I don't really see where you're coming from.

I agree with your assessment of Dead Space though, the SFX are awesome in that game.
Ever had a friend tell a racist joke? But it really wasn't funny and he seemed to believe it?

That's how I felt with the level, it just made me uncomfortable.

Zhukov said:
I honestly don't understand why this causes more outrage than, say, killing civilians in a GTA or Fallout game.
Manner of death and the fact it seemed to be kind of like Rape.

Shooting someone in the head and running away is easier for people to accept then watching someone getting slowly tortured.


Just to make it clear my attitude isn't "ban this filth" but a squeamish over this.
 

Aerosteam

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It doesn't really surprise me how a horrible game includes an equally horrible level.
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Kahunaburger

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It's hard to look at, say, the Destructoid forums or the Bioware Social Network and not think this.
 

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Aye, Duke Nukem Forever really, reaaaally took the joke too far, there. Yes, humour and tounge-in-cheek and whatnot, but that doesn't excuse everything, you can stretch things too far.

I was sort of prepared to meet ol' Duke halfway, accepting him as a product of his era and a wonderful bit of parody on the "Raaaar manliness!"-concept. But they took it way, waaaay to far, and nothing about either Duke or his world is any fun anymore.

And honestly now, is saying "It's a parody" somehow excuse everything?

370999 said:
Ever had a friend tell a racist joke? But it really wasn't funny and he seemed to believe it?

That's how I felt with the level, it just made me uncomfortable.
Hmm, good example. It was pretty much my reaction, as well.

Now, I don't want to jump aboard the moral train and ask this to be banned or somesuch. I think we ought to reserve that to things like Rapelay or something. But I'm not really surprised if "outsiders" get a less than desirable expression of the medium when they learn of levels like that.

It shouldn't be banned or censored or something, but... Those devs who thought -that- was a good idea should be called out on their descision.
 

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Uh... the plot is that aliens are here to abduct all our women. You don't think it's to procreate? The same thing was in Duke Nukem 3D - you'd find naked women in cocoons saying "kiiiill meeeee".

Sure, they expanded on it and made a "joke" of alien rape, but really, you didn't expect that kind of thing? It's... crass, but that's Duke.

I also think if it was a serious game, the whole raping of our women would have been a pretty powerful emotion to work on and give the player/character plenty of motivation to kick ass.
 

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The only one that bothered me was "No Russian."

In retrospect I'm not entirely sure why. I've done my share of casual bystander slaughter in the GTA games. I enjoyed Prototype, a game where you slaughter civilians almost literally every time you walk down the street. I think what bothered me about MW2 was how blatantly cynical it was - there's no reason for it to exist other than for shock value and lulz.

Or to be edgy. I dunno. Presumably that's what they assume the target audience of teenage males* will find edgy, and 'dark' and 'mature' and all those other buzz words that are so often grossly misused.

[sub]*With apologies to any teenage males reading this. I know it's a stereotype, but it's a stereotype Activsion play to.[/sub]

It's not character development for the protagonist - since his character doesn't develop any further. It's not a moral dilemma - since the option to shoot your 'friends' is artificially blocked. It's not even shock/gore or 'realism' - since your targets just fall over when, let's be blunt, firing a gun that size, that calibre, at close range against unarmoured targets should leave you ankle deep in entrails.

I guess it was there to grab headlines, and it certainly succeeded at that, but it's irresponsible for Activision to use one of the biggest selling gaming franchises in the world to provoke a negative media reaction in the name of publicity.