Oh look Glorious North Korea delcared war again

[Karadalis]

Again, this is an example of not actually knowing enough about North Korea to be funny. We don't really know how important Kim is, politically. His family is the centre of North Korea's state ideology and he is personally head of the armed forces, but we don't know what that means.

Considering that he can nilly willy order executions even of close family members (like his uncle) it stands to reason that he holds the same position hitler had during the third reich:

Everyone around him hates him, but at the same time without him the whole thing would collapse so no one dares to oppose him openly. Not only that but the thing with these gallion figure dictatorships is that usually the people who are in control behind the scenes also hate each others guts (again the third reich was a parade example of that)

Wich puts them into the delicate position that no one will opose the glorious leader out of the knowledge that no one would come to their defense if kimmy decides to go Queen of hearts on their ass (off with their head!). Wich in turn means that everyone tries to officially do as the glorious leader demands even thought they most likely would greatly enjoy strapping his fat ass to one of their faulty rockets and shoot him over the horizon.

So yes, he does hold great influence over the military. Does that mean hes actually controlling things? Eh... unlikely. Its more likely that the people in control manipulate him to do what they want. But mercy on the soul who fucks up and pisses the glorious leader off. Also should the glorious leader demand something be done, it will be done... simply because no one dares to opose him, again just like back in the day with hitler. His "strategies" where catastrophic yet no one really oposed him and his generals kept executing his orders despite their better knowledge.

Though i belief that hitler was more in control overall then kimmy could ever be. Kimmy doesnt strike me as the most intelligent, charismatic or idealogically driven individual. He strikes me more as the fat corrupt type thats more interested in keeping his power and lifestyle no matter the cost.

 

[Level 7 Dragon]

I love how this thread isn't in the "religion and politics" section because nobody longer believes that the North Korean government is a serious political organization.

 

[The White Hunter]

...great.

So now where gonna have to go in, kick there asses, and have another section of the world we have to prop up for decades right?

*sigh* well at least I look forward to seeing and learning about the culture of north korea honestly over the next couple of years. They're in for some heavy culture shock when they get video games.

Na as someone else posted above, if NK really gets out of hand China will launch a coup and install a new puppet government. The last thing China wants is anymore US personnel within 100 miles of the SE China Sea. The only real question would be whether China does set up a puppet government or just annexes the damn thing as a new province.

They won't annex it; too many unskilled refugees to deal with.

Puppet is more likely.

OT: Must be that time of the week again.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Considering that he can nilly willy order executions even of close family members (like his uncle) it stands to reason that he holds the same position hitler had during the third reich:

We don't know if he did.

His uncle (indeed, his uncle's entire immediate family) was executed, charged with treason. This was, although Western news media failed to report it, part of a larger purge which took place in the aftermath of the succession, in which a lot of formerly important figures simply disappeared or are known to have been killed (often in rather horrible ways). However, we don't know what the circumstances are, we don't know who this specific denouncement came from, or what motive they might have had. Western news media leaped to the assumption that Kim somehow personally planned this out based purely on the family connection, there were lurid stories about people being fed to dogs and stuff like that, but there is no hard evidence. Plenty of people who died in that purge had no relation to the Kim family, and we're talking about a society in which purges are a normal response to political instability.

North Korea as a state is much less centralized than Hitler's third Reich. Hitler siezed control of the state personally, Kim Jong Un merely inherited it. Hitler built a political system around himself and surrounded himself with people who pleased him (which turned out to be a huge mistake, since it meant noone he would have actually listened to ever challenged him when he had really bad ideas). Kim Jong Un inherited a political system full of extremely ruthless people who were already very powerful. Hitler was, for all his flaws, a magnetic person who lead through the strength of his ideals. Kim Jong Un (from what little we know of him) is a socially awkward man who likes basketball.

If I were to (completely speculatively, because as mentioned we know almost nothing) compare him to a historical figure, it wouldn't be Hitler, it would be Louis XV.

 

[JimB]

...great.

So now we're gonna have to go in, kick their asses, and have another section of the world we have to prop up for decades, right?

No. North Korea is under the protection of China, which is not only a military we fear and respect, but is also the nation we're financially indebted to for roughly eighty gazillion dollars. When you're in hock to a loan shark, you don't go kick his little brother in the balls.

 

[Helter Skelter]

What? Who cares? Donald Trump is supplying our shipments of crazy for now. Have you seen America? North Korea can't top that shit.

We're still talking about the same country that claims it found the den of Unicorns, right?

North Korea is an authoritarian dictatorship run by crazy people with no world power.

America is purpotedly a democracy, and somehow a significant number of people are voting this. Arguably, America is the greatest power in the world at present.

Everything stupid that America does is immediately more concerning to the rest of the world, and because of the way the US governs itself, its decisions reflect on its people. And it looks like right now, a significant number of people want Kim Jong-Un style crazy.

Some context for what Donald Trump is, and always has been: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

 

[Leg End]

I love how this thread isn't in the "religion and politics" section because nobody longer believes that the North Korean government is a serious political organization.

I don't think anyone in the past few decades has believed that.

North Korea is an authoritarian dictatorship run by crazy people with no world power.

Basically.

America is purpotedly a democracy, and somehow a significant number of people are voting this.

Voting... what? For an authoritarian dictatorship? Welcome to Democracy. It's why we're not a straight one.

Arguably, America is the greatest power in the world at present.

More or less. We're frienemies with the major powers and most of our media dominates the world. Even North Korea itself cannot resist the king of pop.

Everything stupid that America does is immediately more concerning to the rest of the world, and because of the way the US governs itself, its decisions reflect on its people. And it looks like right now, a significant number of people want Kim Jong-Un style crazy.

Again, I don't think Trump is anywhere close to the Kims. Show me something that compares to their insanity and I'll reflect my opinion accordingly but until then, the comparison is a bad one and it shows the bias people have against him.

 

[Street Halo]

Empty threats are empty. The end.

Out of curiosity, I watched a handful of doco's on NK a few years back (including one interviewing an ex-prison camp warden which was psychotic) and it's beyond depressing how fucked up that place is. If they're not starving to death, they're completely brainwashed to a point that would make your average cultist look like a full blown skeptic. Outside of that though, the average citizen comes across as really intelligent, decent, likable (humorous even) and with a suppressed curiosity about the world they've been shut out from. Multiple times I witnessed western guests (mostly journos) challenge them on their beliefs and they'd get defensive and argue only to feel bad and offer a no hard feelings handshake afterwards. They're good people in a really shitty situation.

The tiny bit of optimist still left in me would love to see an occupying force storm in and free them from the Jong's/military but the realist knows that the overwhelming majority of the brainwashed populace would fight to the death for NK and it would fail miserably.