Oh Shit! Joss Whedon's SHIELD Just....
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Clones. It is always clones.
[sub][sub]More like an unintentional continuity issue but whatever.[/sub][/sub]
[sub][sub]More like an unintentional continuity issue but whatever.[/sub][/sub]
I got two problems with that.Reaper195 said:
1. That makes Coulson and Nick Fury look like two giant assholes.
2. That nixes any chance of any of the Avengers, or any of the supporting cast from any Avengers film, ever showing up in the TV show as a cameo. And without the Avengers, a SHIELD television series is going to be hella boring. I mean, there's some cool stuff you can do with it that I'd like to see, but people are going to watch it because it's connected to that awesome Avengers film they saw.
1. How does that make Coulson look like an asshole? He was killed by Loki. "Fuckin' Coulson, being killed and all." Said no one. Ever. AS for Fury...yes. He is a bit of a dick. Hence why Robin from How I Met Your Mother is all "But those weren't on Coulson when he died." with the tone of "Dude...you bein' a dick, brah."bastardofmelbourne said:
2. Wha.....what? How? Whether Coulson is a main character or a cameo in the first episode in some kind of flashback, that doesn't stop any of the Avengers from being in the series in any shape or form. Coulson wasn't a major character in the film series, nor was he integral to the Avengers film, aside from being funny and whatnot. I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
"They are already here, they called it"
- If i remember correctly that is what Nick Fury said... BEFORE the Medics arrived (You could hear them off-screen)
I wondered why everybody assumed Coulson was dead. We didn't see anything like that - we have Fury's word for it. (Masterspy... Lier of Liers and such)
After that he constructed his "Motivation-Scheme"
I have no problem with Coulson living; He just took a edged spear through the lungs *g* - Easy-peasy for comic-characters.
- If i remember correctly that is what Nick Fury said... BEFORE the Medics arrived (You could hear them off-screen)
I wondered why everybody assumed Coulson was dead. We didn't see anything like that - we have Fury's word for it. (Masterspy... Lier of Liers and such)
After that he constructed his "Motivation-Scheme"
I have no problem with Coulson living; He just took a edged spear through the lungs *g* - Easy-peasy for comic-characters.
The conversation where he said that took place after the paramedics arrived.Summerstorm said:
OT: Frankly, I don't know how interested i can get in this, even if it does get turned into a series. Considering that it won't have any actual Avengers as main characters, it seems like it could be a bit boring.
In this, the most badass of posts, contains all that needs to be said on the subject.Baron von Blitztank said:
I read somewhere that his death was planned in the overarching story independent of Whedon. And I'd put money on the assumption that the directors, (Jon Favreau, Kenneth Branagh, Joe Johnson(?), the guy who directed Incredible Hulk, and Whedon) would have needed the go ahead from the producers, before killing off characters that could screw with what's planned for the universe.bastardofmelbourne said:
And if you were being sarcastic ignore me completely.
Yes, but if they're going to put a character like that in a series, they might want to also include him in related series, to familiarize the audiences with him.Trivun said:
Even if that's not that case, the fact that he shows up in different series means he is popular enough that he might not be killed off for real.
Maybe the character that will return will not be him, but an LMD? It might be a mystery-thing, where he shows up, and the audience isn't told what happened, and he doesn't know either, but thinks he's the real one.
Then during the course of the series he will find out and have to deal with being a 'fake', and that he was lied to.
If done well, so that it addresses stuff like SHIELD deceicing and manipulating people, it could be great.
Have this main character who trusted them but was kept in the dark about something so important to him, and would have been happier if he never found out.
Nah, i am sure it was like 10 seconds after Coulson "stopped moving". Fury slumped down, sat against a rail and Coulsen and the Medics were just offscreen right when he said it (Without the audience hearing "Yepp, he is dead" from the medics.)Shocksplicer said:
Have to watch it again. But i totally assumed to see him at the end; in the hospital or so. I really was surprised when reading on the boards on the internet that most assumed he was dead. I didn't read that scene at all that way.
There is at least one scene in between the part where Coulson stops moving and the radio call where Fury says that the medics pronounced him dead. It is unclear how much time passes, but there is absolutely plenty of time in which the medics could reasonably pronounced him dead offscreen.Summerstorm said:
It's a conspiracy!Zen Toombs said:
[sub]I'm aware The Question is DC not Marvel, but he was the first character I thought of when conspiracies and comics collide.[/sub]
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Coulson is either in intensive care after coming down with a nasty case of murder-stabbed, or he did die and his mind is being put into a robot and thus Vision.
MrByrne said:
This is infinitely more true of films and TV, especially Action like Die Hard and 24...