Ok, youve finally convinced me......Im going to play Oblivion....tell me something though...
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As many have said above:
Morrowind hasn't got a very good combat system. It works, but it's not great. The graphics aren't top tier either. Then again, what can you expect from a 10 year old game.
Oblivion on the other hand, has better combat (still not great, in my opinion) and better graphics.
If that alone sells you, then shame for thee.
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Morrowind has a terrific story and plot, which Oblivion lacks. Morrowind is also more immersive, with varied terrain, enemies, random encounters, cave spelunking, interesting lore (Dwemers anyone?) and the most beautiful sky I've ever seen. Yeah, you read right.
I would heartily recommend Morrowind over Oblivion. They're both excellent games, mind you, only Morrowind is vastly superior in my book. Add the two expansions and you're set for a long time, indeed.
Oblivion is more accessible, however, so if you're not a huge RPG nerd (like me), you'll probably have an easier time with strolling through meadows in Cyrodiil (Oblivion), rather than exploring the blighted island of Vvardenfell (Morrowind).
Morrowind hasn't got a very good combat system. It works, but it's not great. The graphics aren't top tier either. Then again, what can you expect from a 10 year old game.
Oblivion on the other hand, has better combat (still not great, in my opinion) and better graphics.
If that alone sells you, then shame for thee.
--- Personal opinion comencing ---
Morrowind has a terrific story and plot, which Oblivion lacks. Morrowind is also more immersive, with varied terrain, enemies, random encounters, cave spelunking, interesting lore (Dwemers anyone?) and the most beautiful sky I've ever seen. Yeah, you read right.
I would heartily recommend Morrowind over Oblivion. They're both excellent games, mind you, only Morrowind is vastly superior in my book. Add the two expansions and you're set for a long time, indeed.
Oblivion is more accessible, however, so if you're not a huge RPG nerd (like me), you'll probably have an easier time with strolling through meadows in Cyrodiil (Oblivion), rather than exploring the blighted island of Vvardenfell (Morrowind).
Hard choice... I love both games equally, but considering Oblivion is much more accessible than Morrowind, I would have to say Oblivion for a first time Elder Scrolls player. But I heartily recommend playing both, if you have the time.
I think Morrowind is better for the sole reason that female Argonians (lizard men) don't have boobs. Seriously, why did they give the female Argonians boobs in Oblivion? They aren't mammals, they're reptiles!!!!! They serve no purpose!!!!!!
But in all seriousness I personally think the story and setting in Morrowind was better than Oblivion. But as others have pointed out the combat and graphics are pretty dated. So If you've played Fallout 3 you'll probably enjoy Oblivion more. And whatever you don't like there's probably a mod to fix it.
Regardless of which one you get you have to track down and read the in game book "The Real Biography of Barenzai". I literally spent an hour tracking down all the volumes in game just to see what happened next.
But in all seriousness I personally think the story and setting in Morrowind was better than Oblivion. But as others have pointed out the combat and graphics are pretty dated. So If you've played Fallout 3 you'll probably enjoy Oblivion more. And whatever you don't like there's probably a mod to fix it.
Regardless of which one you get you have to track down and read the in game book "The Real Biography of Barenzai". I literally spent an hour tracking down all the volumes in game just to see what happened next.
Its always suprised me why people complain about it being Oblivion with guns, after all thats like awesome with more awesome.Flauros said:
Anyway buy Oblivion, and say good bye to the next 300 hours of you life. Also get the GOTY edition, it's about £15 now and has lots of extra content on it.
oblivion is 2400+h well spent of my life 
and i'll spend more of it soon enough. i wasen't impressed w/ fallout 3.
and i'll spend more of it soon enough. i wasen't impressed w/ fallout 3.
I loved Oblivion, played all quests on all guilds + the main story. About 300 hours in all. I highly recommend it. The only thing I really disliked was the enemy leveling. It was plain ridiculous and deprived the player of a sense of progress.
And regarding the main story...
I've tried Morrowind really wanting to like it a couple of times and abandoned it. Some people is going to disagree, but the main killer for me is the lack of the arrow pointing me to the objective. I just don't find it fun fumbling around trying to guess where the character I need to talk to is. With the arrow I can still explore whichever way I want and find the objective I'm after without too much fumbling. The arrow can be left out of some quests if they want you to search, (which oblivion does for some missions) which is tolerable if not abused.
I've also read that the combat system is not as fun because of its stats driven nature (your chance to hit depends on the character's skill level so even in you aim perfectly you can miss). Don't really know as never got far enough to notice.
Other than that Morrowing is an eyesore these days, but that I get used two after a couple of hours, so I don't mind. I'll probably give it another shot.
The prequels to Morrowind, Arena and Daggerfall where made avaliable for free by Bethesda a while back. I downloaded both but could not really get into them
And regarding the main story...
I felt left out at the end.
I've tried Morrowind really wanting to like it a couple of times and abandoned it. Some people is going to disagree, but the main killer for me is the lack of the arrow pointing me to the objective. I just don't find it fun fumbling around trying to guess where the character I need to talk to is. With the arrow I can still explore whichever way I want and find the objective I'm after without too much fumbling. The arrow can be left out of some quests if they want you to search, (which oblivion does for some missions) which is tolerable if not abused.
I've also read that the combat system is not as fun because of its stats driven nature (your chance to hit depends on the character's skill level so even in you aim perfectly you can miss). Don't really know as never got far enough to notice.
Other than that Morrowing is an eyesore these days, but that I get used two after a couple of hours, so I don't mind. I'll probably give it another shot.
The prequels to Morrowind, Arena and Daggerfall where made avaliable for free by Bethesda a while back. I downloaded both but could not really get into them
Morrowind makes you WORK for it's enjoyment, and after you have earned it, you will find it the best game ever. The problem is a lot of people don't want to work, they want everything spoon-fed to them. If that is you, then Oblivion will be a better choice.
Morrowind is still my favorite game ever while I feel that Oblivion is shallow in comparison. Both have their ups and downs, so it's just a matter of what stands out more and what little issues will bother you more. Personally, the leveling system absolutely destroys Oblivion for me because you can really screw up your character if you do things wrong. Morrowind is much more forgiving in that respect.
Also, (forgive me if some one else covered this) but I like the combat system in Morrowind better because you get to see your progress in being a better swordsman/axe user/magic caster. Every action you do has a chance to fail, so when you are low level, you will see yourself missing your swings a lot. This bothers a lot of people with good reason, but the alternative is Oblivion where each swing you make lands a hit and then it just gets purely boring after the repetitiveness of it all. There is a bit of drama involved with the miss-chance because you don't know if you can take an enemy while also using that weapon type means you see less misses in the future. You actually feel stronger for your effort.
There are a lot of nice things that were streamlined in the UI in Oblivion that I miss while playing Morrowind (especially the Alchemy system), but since Oblivion has no chance to fail anything you hardly get a sense of ever becoming god-like. Not to mention that the physics system makes dropping items on the ground a really bad idea. I've lost so many things through the floor because they got kicked too hard as I tried walking over them. Also, dungeons reset, so completing a dungeon is almost pointless because you can just come back in a few days and all the loot and enemies will be back.
Also, if you want to go through the work of installing this many mods, it will instantly kill any arguments about lack of visual quality.
http://forums.encyclopediadramatica.com/showthread.php?p=321965
Morrowind is still my favorite game ever while I feel that Oblivion is shallow in comparison. Both have their ups and downs, so it's just a matter of what stands out more and what little issues will bother you more. Personally, the leveling system absolutely destroys Oblivion for me because you can really screw up your character if you do things wrong. Morrowind is much more forgiving in that respect.
Also, (forgive me if some one else covered this) but I like the combat system in Morrowind better because you get to see your progress in being a better swordsman/axe user/magic caster. Every action you do has a chance to fail, so when you are low level, you will see yourself missing your swings a lot. This bothers a lot of people with good reason, but the alternative is Oblivion where each swing you make lands a hit and then it just gets purely boring after the repetitiveness of it all. There is a bit of drama involved with the miss-chance because you don't know if you can take an enemy while also using that weapon type means you see less misses in the future. You actually feel stronger for your effort.
There are a lot of nice things that were streamlined in the UI in Oblivion that I miss while playing Morrowind (especially the Alchemy system), but since Oblivion has no chance to fail anything you hardly get a sense of ever becoming god-like. Not to mention that the physics system makes dropping items on the ground a really bad idea. I've lost so many things through the floor because they got kicked too hard as I tried walking over them. Also, dungeons reset, so completing a dungeon is almost pointless because you can just come back in a few days and all the loot and enemies will be back.
Also, if you want to go through the work of installing this many mods, it will instantly kill any arguments about lack of visual quality.
http://forums.encyclopediadramatica.com/showthread.php?p=321965
I played Oblivion alot back in the day, and I actually started playing Morrowind for the first time about 2 weeks ago. I think the differences could be summed up as:
Oblivion:
-Much, much prettier
-Vastly superior combat system (ESPECIALLY magic)
-The game flows smoother, actions are more fluid and switching between magic and melee is easy
-Less content than Morrowind
-Easier than Morrowind
Morrowind:
-Bad combat, especially magic (at least for me)
-Graphics are dated, but you dont even notice it after an hour or so
-The quest system and journal, can get annoying, quickly. You also have to manually follow NPC's directions, no map markers to point the way. Which can be interesting, but often is frustrating as the directions can be bad.
- Lots more content (there are 10 optional factions in Morrowind, compared to Oblivion's 4)
Those have been my experiences. But I have one essential piece of advice.
If you're going to play both, play Morrowind first! If you play Oblivion with it's stream-lined everything, you're going to get tired of Morrowind's shortcomings very fast.
Oblivion:
-Much, much prettier
-Vastly superior combat system (ESPECIALLY magic)
-The game flows smoother, actions are more fluid and switching between magic and melee is easy
-Less content than Morrowind
-Easier than Morrowind
Morrowind:
-Bad combat, especially magic (at least for me)
-Graphics are dated, but you dont even notice it after an hour or so
-The quest system and journal, can get annoying, quickly. You also have to manually follow NPC's directions, no map markers to point the way. Which can be interesting, but often is frustrating as the directions can be bad.
- Lots more content (there are 10 optional factions in Morrowind, compared to Oblivion's 4)
Those have been my experiences. But I have one essential piece of advice.
If you're going to play both, play Morrowind first! If you play Oblivion with it's stream-lined everything, you're going to get tired of Morrowind's shortcomings very fast.
There are four Elder Scrolls games: (insert title here), Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion.
I, personally, prefer Oblivion. Not sure why, but I never really got into Morrowind.
I, personally, prefer Oblivion. Not sure why, but I never really got into Morrowind.
Oh God, not another Oblivion vs Morrowind thread... I'm not saying wich one is better than the other, as both are amazing and I love them both for what they are and what experiences can bring me.
Ok, both games are not to be triffeld with, both are HUGE and you will lose hundreds of hours for just exploring and interacting with the NPCs. Oblivion's main story is not the best story you'd ever heard in recent years, but it's quite lenghty and quite fun, while Morrowind's story is even more lenghty and much, much better.
Graphics wise, both games look great in their own respective areas. Oblivion looks more realistic and has lush green forests, lots of wild life and has a very western medieval feeling to it, while Morrowind looks more fantastic with it's creature design, wich is much more varied than Oblivion's. Also, both games use different engines and both have their quirks, first, Oblivion uses the very same engine used on Fallout 3 and New Vegas, so you know what you're dealing with, except it won't freeze to death like New Vegas and Morrowind uses another completely different engine, wich is less bugy and, certainly, not as pretty as Oblivion.
Gameplay wise, well, both have their quirks and kinks. Someone would call Morrowind's combat clunky, even crappy, I call it classic. And Oblivion has a much more streamlined combat, if you're already used to the melee weapons from Fallout 3 and NV, then you're going to feel right at home here.
Then there's the NPC interaction, wich both games are quite different. Oblivion, just like Fallout 3 and NV, will have every single NPC voiced over, but annoyingly, there are like 10 different voices throughout the entire game and you will be hearing the same voices over and over again. Just like the Fallouts, they will have plenty to say and there are going to be lots and lots of different options to interact with them... if you have the money... you see, to make a character spill the beans, you can bribe them and they will "trust you enough", making the speech skill quite useless.
Morrowind is a bit more conservative in this aspect, as not every character is voiced over, just a few words and then you got to read... a lot... but there are WAY much more options to interact with them than in Oblivion and there are many more outcomes of a single conversation than in Oblivion.
If you're going to play it on the PC, I would suggest you buy Morrowind from Steam, as it includes the main game and two expansions, Tribunal, wich adds new quests inside a big city and Bloodmoon wich includes new areas to explore, werewolves and the chance to become a werewolf yourself. Be warned though, that Morrowind is quite an old game and if you're planning to play it on higher resolutions with widescreen aspect, you need to work a little to get it working, but it will be worth your while as it supports widescreen aspect rather nicely.
To get Oblivion, Steam is the way to go too, there are 2 versions of the game, the "cheapest" one includes the Shivering Isles expansion, wich adds a new area to explore and has a bit better story than the main one and The Knights of The Nine, wich is a new quest for goody goody characters. The other version includes those expansions, plus the other DLC, including the infamous Horse Armor, get this if you really want to get everything Oblivion offers, but it's really not necessary as the other one already offers quite a lot for much less.
Both are awesome and if you can, get them both, but I can't really tell you wich one you should choose.
Ok, both games are not to be triffeld with, both are HUGE and you will lose hundreds of hours for just exploring and interacting with the NPCs. Oblivion's main story is not the best story you'd ever heard in recent years, but it's quite lenghty and quite fun, while Morrowind's story is even more lenghty and much, much better.
Graphics wise, both games look great in their own respective areas. Oblivion looks more realistic and has lush green forests, lots of wild life and has a very western medieval feeling to it, while Morrowind looks more fantastic with it's creature design, wich is much more varied than Oblivion's. Also, both games use different engines and both have their quirks, first, Oblivion uses the very same engine used on Fallout 3 and New Vegas, so you know what you're dealing with, except it won't freeze to death like New Vegas and Morrowind uses another completely different engine, wich is less bugy and, certainly, not as pretty as Oblivion.
Gameplay wise, well, both have their quirks and kinks. Someone would call Morrowind's combat clunky, even crappy, I call it classic. And Oblivion has a much more streamlined combat, if you're already used to the melee weapons from Fallout 3 and NV, then you're going to feel right at home here.
Then there's the NPC interaction, wich both games are quite different. Oblivion, just like Fallout 3 and NV, will have every single NPC voiced over, but annoyingly, there are like 10 different voices throughout the entire game and you will be hearing the same voices over and over again. Just like the Fallouts, they will have plenty to say and there are going to be lots and lots of different options to interact with them... if you have the money... you see, to make a character spill the beans, you can bribe them and they will "trust you enough", making the speech skill quite useless.
Morrowind is a bit more conservative in this aspect, as not every character is voiced over, just a few words and then you got to read... a lot... but there are WAY much more options to interact with them than in Oblivion and there are many more outcomes of a single conversation than in Oblivion.
If you're going to play it on the PC, I would suggest you buy Morrowind from Steam, as it includes the main game and two expansions, Tribunal, wich adds new quests inside a big city and Bloodmoon wich includes new areas to explore, werewolves and the chance to become a werewolf yourself. Be warned though, that Morrowind is quite an old game and if you're planning to play it on higher resolutions with widescreen aspect, you need to work a little to get it working, but it will be worth your while as it supports widescreen aspect rather nicely.
To get Oblivion, Steam is the way to go too, there are 2 versions of the game, the "cheapest" one includes the Shivering Isles expansion, wich adds a new area to explore and has a bit better story than the main one and The Knights of The Nine, wich is a new quest for goody goody characters. The other version includes those expansions, plus the other DLC, including the infamous Horse Armor, get this if you really want to get everything Oblivion offers, but it's really not necessary as the other one already offers quite a lot for much less.
Both are awesome and if you can, get them both, but I can't really tell you wich one you should choose.
How was Morrowind's combat any different to Oblivion's? Spam MB1 on enemy was how it worked for both games.skywalkerlion said: