Okay, I'm Sorry but... Just What on Earth is so Great about Mass Effect?!

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Mass Effect. Better. Than Half Life.
That was the final straw.

So I ask you all... What the fuck is the big deal?
Look. I could just as easily say "Different opinions exist, get over it!" like a lot of people have, and I'd be right. But that's not going to satisfy you. And truth be told, I can think of more than one thing that became bafflingly popular, and then completely overshadow a beloved property of mine - It is indeed very frustrating. So even though I consider Mass Effect the best game series in existence, I 100% feel your pain.

If you want an explanation that will in any way satisfy you, it's because of the characters. People aren't so in love with these games to the point of irrationality because of it's revolutionary Third Person Shooting, because... It doesn't really have that. Nor are they in love with it because of it's RPG mechanics, because honestly, there's been better. But Bioware just worked hard to create a whole plethora of developed characters who are all too easy to become attached to - Especially when you can interact with those characters. Of course, interactions are limited and far from realistic, but they exist - Characters change with you and you change with them and thus bonds are grown that, once paired with game-play that is at least competent, can make the games a permanent favorite.

So there is your explanation. If you disliked core features enough to quit too early and not get attached to the characters, or if the characters didn't really appeal to you, then it's understandable that you didn't like it. Mass Effect sure ain't perfect, but it's world building and character development is so engrossing that it's easy to love.
 

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It's the first time that someone tried [and succeed] in creating a new space travel sci-fi universe that can be compared with Star Trek and Star Wars and did so in a form of a video game. The game is actually brilliant (until the last 10 minutes of ME3 that I will simply refuse to believe ever happened). And in my opinion it is better than Half-Life.

This article is relevant to this topic. This is why Mass Effect is celebrated:
http://io9.com/5886178/why-mass-effect-is-the-most-important-science-fiction-universe-of-our-generation
 

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Trilligan said:
erttheking said:
WhyWasThat said:
erttheking said:
WhyWasThat said:
Mass Effect. Better. Than Half Life.
That was the final straw.

So I ask you all... What the fuck is the big deal?
"Over the top gasp" someone DARES not like Half Life! DEATH! DEATH TO THEM ALL!

People like Mass Effect because of the rich universe, massive cast of well developed characters and interesting concepts and dilemmas, including the Genophage and the Geth.

Let me answer your question with another question, what the fuck is the big deal about half life?
Half Life is a shooter series like no other. To be honest, it's almost difficult knowing where to begin when it comes to explaining what Valve got right with it. I suppose... Everything.
The story, while seemingly simplistic in itself, is handled with such subtlety and sophistication that it manages to convey countless abstract thoughts and ideals, almost unintentionally at times. It is a desolate world, but a beautiful one for that very reason, and where every single location is drenched in a heady and intense atmosphere.
The characters are probably the best conceived cast in gaming, period. Honestly, the only other series that has come close to enkindling the same level of bonding and fellowship in its characters is Naughty Dog's Uncharted series, and even then they rely heavily on cut-scenes to get the job done.
Gameplay is fast, intuitive, natural. It really is flawless.
The pacing is arguably where Half Life shines brightest - especially in Half Life 2. No shoot-out drags on, no location outstays its welcome. Valve know exactly when to break up the action with some narrative, and visa versa. And all the while the game never takes you out of the shoes of Gordon Freeman... AKA YOU. What, you think he's a mute because Valve are lazy?
Honestly, if you actually have to think hard about why the Half Life series is incredible, then you've probably missed the point out the gate. Go back to your Harry Potter books, while others contemplate Steinbeck.
Duhhhhhhhhhh, I not get why Half Life r so good, I must be stuped. Frankly I've played Half Life 2 and I couldn't even get past the level with the rebels running around because it was just BORING! Oh, using the gravity gun to throw crap in a poisonous swamp, that sounds like fun. Gunning down fifty head crab zombies while an carriage moves towards me at a snails pace, sure why not. Oh and and fighting a couple hundred giant bugs all while trying to figure out where the Hell I'm supposed to go? Nice. And just trying to figure out where I'm supposed to go and dealing with puzzles and box stacking that's just shoehorned in and is beyond tedious? Nice. And those driving sections those FUCKING DRIVING SECTIONS! Yeah I disagree, I got sick of the zombie town and the prison really quick and the level with the boat dragged on WAY too long. The locations seemed jumbled and when lined up against each other they seem odd, especially considering that it's supposed to be on Earth and not that far away from each other. And the characters? They're as flat as cardboard cutouts! Barney, he's nice, the doctor, he's quirky, the redhead, she's a *****, but she's really well intentioned, yeah there's only about fifty thousand people like that in fiction, that dad is nice and Alyx is spunky.

Yeah I probably did miss the point right out the gate, but I fail to see how that's my fault and not the game's. I didn't' get ANY enjoyment out of playing this game from the gameplay or the story and I refuse to accept that it's because I'm thick. or maybe the reason really is "GAH my puny Halo fan brain can't take it!" Maybe I will go read harry potter, because unlike Half Life it has a well developed universe and three dimensional characters that stick around for more than five minutes!

So sorry that I don't kiss the ground that this game walks on. You don't need to like Mass Effect but you getting all worked up over someone liking it more than Half Life is beyond petty.
I gotta say I don't understand all the bitterness. I mean, opinions are unique to their respective holders, and so on, but I don't think it's something to get worked up over.
Well it kind of started when I got sarcastic about him wondering what the big deal about Half Life is because "People thought that Mass Effect was better than it. That's the last straw" so I was a wise ass and said "oh, what's so great about Half life" he went on a rant and kinda insulted me towards the end "go back to your harry potter" causing me to go on a rant about why Half Life sucks donkey dick. In other words I was a wise ass and things escalated.
 

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Trilligan said:
erttheking said:
Well it kind of started when I got sarcastic about him wondering what the big deal about Half Life is because "People thought that Mass Effect was better than it. That's the last straw" so I was a wise ass and said "oh, what's so great about Half life" he went on a rant and kinda insulted me towards the end "go back to your harry potter" causing me to go on a rant about why Half Life sucks donkey dick.
Oh. Well, if he insulted you that's one thing but you ought to form opinions on the games independent of that. Half-Life might not have been your thing but it was an excellent game. I mean, I enjoyed the hell out of it. Even the driving sections.
Oh I never liked Half Life, but I don't mind that you do...except for the driving sections, what is wrong with you? (I kid, I kid)
 

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erttheking said:
Trilligan said:
erttheking said:
WhyWasThat said:
erttheking said:
WhyWasThat said:
Mass Effect. Better. Than Half Life.
That was the final straw.

So I ask you all... What the fuck is the big deal?
"Over the top gasp" someone DARES not like Half Life! DEATH! DEATH TO THEM ALL!

People like Mass Effect because of the rich universe, massive cast of well developed characters and interesting concepts and dilemmas, including the Genophage and the Geth.

Let me answer your question with another question, what the fuck is the big deal about half life?
Half Life is a shooter series like no other. To be honest, it's almost difficult knowing where to begin when it comes to explaining what Valve got right with it. I suppose... Everything.
The story, while seemingly simplistic in itself, is handled with such subtlety and sophistication that it manages to convey countless abstract thoughts and ideals, almost unintentionally at times. It is a desolate world, but a beautiful one for that very reason, and where every single location is drenched in a heady and intense atmosphere.
The characters are probably the best conceived cast in gaming, period. Honestly, the only other series that has come close to enkindling the same level of bonding and fellowship in its characters is Naughty Dog's Uncharted series, and even then they rely heavily on cut-scenes to get the job done.
Gameplay is fast, intuitive, natural. It really is flawless.
The pacing is arguably where Half Life shines brightest - especially in Half Life 2. No shoot-out drags on, no location outstays its welcome. Valve know exactly when to break up the action with some narrative, and visa versa. And all the while the game never takes you out of the shoes of Gordon Freeman... AKA YOU. What, you think he's a mute because Valve are lazy?
Honestly, if you actually have to think hard about why the Half Life series is incredible, then you've probably missed the point out the gate. Go back to your Harry Potter books, while others contemplate Steinbeck.
Duhhhhhhhhhh, I not get why Half Life r so good, I must be stuped. Frankly I've played Half Life 2 and I couldn't even get past the level with the rebels running around because it was just BORING! Oh, using the gravity gun to throw crap in a poisonous swamp, that sounds like fun. Gunning down fifty head crab zombies while an carriage moves towards me at a snails pace, sure why not. Oh and and fighting a couple hundred giant bugs all while trying to figure out where the Hell I'm supposed to go? Nice. And just trying to figure out where I'm supposed to go and dealing with puzzles and box stacking that's just shoehorned in and is beyond tedious? Nice. And those driving sections those FUCKING DRIVING SECTIONS! Yeah I disagree, I got sick of the zombie town and the prison really quick and the level with the boat dragged on WAY too long. The locations seemed jumbled and when lined up against each other they seem odd, especially considering that it's supposed to be on Earth and not that far away from each other. And the characters? They're as flat as cardboard cutouts! Barney, he's nice, the doctor, he's quirky, the redhead, she's a *****, but she's really well intentioned, yeah there's only about fifty thousand people like that in fiction, that dad is nice and Alyx is spunky.

Yeah I probably did miss the point right out the gate, but I fail to see how that's my fault and not the game's. I didn't' get ANY enjoyment out of playing this game from the gameplay or the story and I refuse to accept that it's because I'm thick. or maybe the reason really is "GAH my puny Halo fan brain can't take it!" Maybe I will go read harry potter, because unlike Half Life it has a well developed universe and three dimensional characters that stick around for more than five minutes!

So sorry that I don't kiss the ground that this game walks on. You don't need to like Mass Effect but you getting all worked up over someone liking it more than Half Life is beyond petty.
I gotta say I don't understand all the bitterness. I mean, opinions are unique to their respective holders, and so on, but I don't think it's something to get worked up over.
Well it kind of started when I got sarcastic about him wondering what the big deal about Half Life is because "People thought that Mass Effect was better than it. That's the last straw" so I was a wise ass and said "oh, what's so great about Half life" he went on a rant and kinda insulted me towards the end "go back to your harry potter" causing me to go on a rant about why Half Life sucks donkey dick. In other words I was a wise ass and things escalated.
Yeah, I agree. It was all your fault.
 

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WhyWasThat said:
erttheking said:
Trilligan said:
erttheking said:
WhyWasThat said:
erttheking said:
WhyWasThat said:
Mass Effect. Better. Than Half Life.
That was the final straw.

So I ask you all... What the fuck is the big deal?
"Over the top gasp" someone DARES not like Half Life! DEATH! DEATH TO THEM ALL!

People like Mass Effect because of the rich universe, massive cast of well developed characters and interesting concepts and dilemmas, including the Genophage and the Geth.

Let me answer your question with another question, what the fuck is the big deal about half life?
Half Life is a shooter series like no other. To be honest, it's almost difficult knowing where to begin when it comes to explaining what Valve got right with it. I suppose... Everything.
The story, while seemingly simplistic in itself, is handled with such subtlety and sophistication that it manages to convey countless abstract thoughts and ideals, almost unintentionally at times. It is a desolate world, but a beautiful one for that very reason, and where every single location is drenched in a heady and intense atmosphere.
The characters are probably the best conceived cast in gaming, period. Honestly, the only other series that has come close to enkindling the same level of bonding and fellowship in its characters is Naughty Dog's Uncharted series, and even then they rely heavily on cut-scenes to get the job done.
Gameplay is fast, intuitive, natural. It really is flawless.
The pacing is arguably where Half Life shines brightest - especially in Half Life 2. No shoot-out drags on, no location outstays its welcome. Valve know exactly when to break up the action with some narrative, and visa versa. And all the while the game never takes you out of the shoes of Gordon Freeman... AKA YOU. What, you think he's a mute because Valve are lazy?
Honestly, if you actually have to think hard about why the Half Life series is incredible, then you've probably missed the point out the gate. Go back to your Harry Potter books, while others contemplate Steinbeck.
Duhhhhhhhhhh, I not get why Half Life r so good, I must be stuped. Frankly I've played Half Life 2 and I couldn't even get past the level with the rebels running around because it was just BORING! Oh, using the gravity gun to throw crap in a poisonous swamp, that sounds like fun. Gunning down fifty head crab zombies while an carriage moves towards me at a snails pace, sure why not. Oh and and fighting a couple hundred giant bugs all while trying to figure out where the Hell I'm supposed to go? Nice. And just trying to figure out where I'm supposed to go and dealing with puzzles and box stacking that's just shoehorned in and is beyond tedious? Nice. And those driving sections those FUCKING DRIVING SECTIONS! Yeah I disagree, I got sick of the zombie town and the prison really quick and the level with the boat dragged on WAY too long. The locations seemed jumbled and when lined up against each other they seem odd, especially considering that it's supposed to be on Earth and not that far away from each other. And the characters? They're as flat as cardboard cutouts! Barney, he's nice, the doctor, he's quirky, the redhead, she's a *****, but she's really well intentioned, yeah there's only about fifty thousand people like that in fiction, that dad is nice and Alyx is spunky.

Yeah I probably did miss the point right out the gate, but I fail to see how that's my fault and not the game's. I didn't' get ANY enjoyment out of playing this game from the gameplay or the story and I refuse to accept that it's because I'm thick. or maybe the reason really is "GAH my puny Halo fan brain can't take it!" Maybe I will go read harry potter, because unlike Half Life it has a well developed universe and three dimensional characters that stick around for more than five minutes!

So sorry that I don't kiss the ground that this game walks on. You don't need to like Mass Effect but you getting all worked up over someone liking it more than Half Life is beyond petty.
I gotta say I don't understand all the bitterness. I mean, opinions are unique to their respective holders, and so on, but I don't think it's something to get worked up over.
Well it kind of started when I got sarcastic about him wondering what the big deal about Half Life is because "People thought that Mass Effect was better than it. That's the last straw" so I was a wise ass and said "oh, what's so great about Half life" he went on a rant and kinda insulted me towards the end "go back to your harry potter" causing me to go on a rant about why Half Life sucks donkey dick. In other words I was a wise ass and things escalated.
Yeah, I agree. It was all your fault.
Says the guy who started an entire threat based around being upset that someone dared to think that something was better than half life.
 

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You have made an assumption on a story driven game based on its demo's so really you can't have an opinion on it.
 

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THIS JUST IN!

SOMEWHERE, SOMEONE DOESN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY POPULAR!

All news teams have been dispatched to investigate this shocking personal opinion.

Will have more when they arrive.
 

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WhyWasThat said:
For some time now, pretty much since Mass Effect 2 released, fans haven't been able to shut up about how amazing the Mass Effect series is. This has always confused me, as having played the lengthy demos for both Mass Effect 2 and 3, I have to say that fair graphics, standard gameplay, okayish acting, and Jordan Shephard's glassy eyed mannequin head didn't even come close to impressing me. But I just rolled my eyes and got on with it.
However, in a very recent post on this very forum, a user claimed that Half Life 3 would probably not be worth the wait due to the Mass Effect series having very likely eclipsed Valve's flagship series in the meantime.

Mass Effect. Better. Than Half Life.
That was the final straw.

So I ask you all... What the fuck is the big deal?
Fucking immense sci fi setting with gorgeous buildings and planets and immersion and blue girlfriends and fucking rpg elements and import saves and detailed setting and illium and fucking satellite in space with 5 arms and your own space ship and FUCKING AMAZING GAME HOLY FUCKING FUCK.

I love this series.
 

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I think the storyline in ME1 outshines the storyline in basically any game ever. Maybe try that game and review it yourself here.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Adam Jensen said:
It's the first time that someone tried [and succeed] in creating a new space travel sci-fi universe that can be compared with Star Trek and Star Wars and did so in a form of a video game. The game is actually brilliant, I would dare to call it the pinnacle of this generation of gaming (until the last 10 minutes of ME3 that I will simply refuse to believe ever happened). And in my opinion it is better than Half-Life.

This article is relevant to this topic. This is why Mass Effect is celebrated:
http://io9.com/5886178/why-mass-effect-is-the-most-important-science-fiction-universe-of-our-generation
See, this is the sort of thing that winds me up. Mass Effect is a decent series of games that take place in a well defined universe. It is not the high-pinnacle of science fiction that a lot of fans make it out to be. It is far too derivative of other works and far too inconsistent in narrative quality to be worthy of that accolade.

Battlestar Galactica came out a few years ago, and by the end of its run, it was being hailed by mainstream critics as the best thing on TV, period. This when shows like The Wire and The Sopranos were still on the air. Not only did it reboot an old campy TV show into something darker and more mature, it is one of the best examples in the history of television of writers playing the long game, and laying down seeds in the first season that keep springing up right the way up into the final season. For any old TV show to pull that off is rare enough. For a show on the Sci-Fi channel to pull that off so well that it receives the universal acclaim of mainstream critics around the world is something we haven't seen in the TV medium arguably since the days of the original Star Trek. That is an example of a sci-fi series managing to be part of the zetigeist.

Moving away from TV, there's the plain old fact that Mass Effect simply is not as popular as many of its fans believe it is. It's sold well, don't get me wrong. Each game has sold in the region of between 2-3 million units, not a bad figure. But that absolutely pales in comparison to sales of other current science fiction games. Both Fallout 3 and New Vegas sold in the region of 6 million each, well over twice the sales of any of the ME games. Gears of War 3 sold just shy of the 6 million mark itself. Halo Reach has sold over 9 million copies since release. Halo 3 has sold over 11 million. These are the kind of sales and, more importantly, the kind of impact that Mass Effect, good as it is, can only dream of.

If any argument could be made for a videogame series that could be called most influential sci-fi series of the decade, Halo would be a far more suitable choice than Mass Effect, regardless on your opinions of the quality of either. Halo quite simply not only revolutionised a genre, it changed the way people look at games. It was the first game to set a box-office record that outperformed the Hollywood box office. It was the first game to really bring home that gaming is not just a nerd hobby, but a form of entertainment just as popular and widespread as going to the movies. More importantly, it re-defined and set in stone the power-armoured space marine versus the hordes of aliens that has absolutely dominated the science fiction scene over the last decade, Mass Effect included.

Regardless of how good Mass Effect is or isn't, it simply does not have the widespread appeal and influence of other science fiction properties of this decade, and it doesn't have the consistent thematic quality of other science fiction properties of this decade.

Hardcore fans of Mass Effect who love the game, I'm fine with. Hardcore fans of Mass Effect who try and paint it as some unrivalled high-point of science fiction get my hackles up. Sorry, but the genre has seen too much content of both higher quality and greater popularity to let such a statement slide.
Looks like this has to be said one more time SALES DO NOT EQUAL QUALITY.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Regardless of how good Mass Effect is or isn't, it simply does not have the widespread appeal and influence of other science fiction properties of this decade
Neither did Star Trek in it's time. Or any other sci-fi show, movie, book at the time of it's creation. Star Wars wasn't as popular in the 70's and 80's as it is today. Blade Runner and Tron are also great examples of this. The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom.

And like the fine gentleman above me said, sales =/= quality. Just look at Call of Duty for fuck sake. It's all about marketing strategy.
 

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Because it lets you turn a giant space station into the biggest sexual organ in galactic history in the green ending?