On the PC Master Race and the Language Police

[Aesir23]

I live in Canada. At the moment new releases cost about $70 both for PC and Console titles with the only real difference being digital distribution vs physical media since you don't have to pay sales taxes for games that you purchase through digital storefronts like Steam or the Playstation Store.

Is it the same as the Canada I live in, or are you in some alternate reality Canada? Cause Dying Light is $20 cheaper for the physical copy ($69 PS4, $49 PC) only $10 cheaper than PS4 on Steam($59), that was just a random grab.

http://www.amazon.ca/Warner-Bros-883929357550-Dying-Light/dp/B00FXOZDPU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422080350&sr=8-1&keywords=dying+light+ps4

http://www.amazon.ca/Warner-Bros-883929357345-Dying-Light/dp/B00DCNTDFU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422080562&sr=8-1&keywords=dying+light+PC

http://store.steampowered.com/app/239140/

Please don't reply with what about [Insert Activision Game] or [Insert Rockstar Game] their demographic tend not to know that PC games don't have a kickback to Sony/Microsoft to develop on their platforms and shouldn't cost exactly the same.

I actually don't frequent Amazon and haven't for a long time since I get my PC games almost exclusively off of Steam and Origin. Dying Light's pre-order is actually one of the first big releases I've seen on Steam in a while that hasn't cost $65+. Maybe it's the games I keep coming across on Steam so I'm not seeing many of those that are still priced at $60. I'm not entirely sure why that would be the case.

Also, if you could dial back the rudeness that would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Jennacide]

I was pretty sure the "PC master race" remark originated before Yahtzee, as I swear I had seen it pop up on 4chan's /v/ or somewhere before I had ever heard of him.

That aside, the people that are getting truely upset don't seem to understand it was was never meant to be taken seriously to begin with. There's a reason it brings on the specter of totalitarianism, it's meant to be absurd.

 

[Super Cyborg]

All you can be part of whatever gaming race you want, I subscribe to a different race to cover all my preferences and likes. All hail the Honey Badger Race. I don't give no S***s if you personally believe something that goes against me. I'll just keep on going with what I like, because there are bigger things to worry about. However, you confront me, then there will be trouble. You can join this race, or not, because like a Honey Badger, I give no shits.

Also, while I have only played an hour or so on it, I did finally get my own computer that can run games nicely. Played Bioshock, and looks very pretty, especially when compared to when I played it on the lowest settings on an old laptop. Then again, I can't be accepted in the master race if I wanted to, because I got a pre-made lap-top instead of a PC that I made myself. Go Outcast Laptop Gaming Race, or OLGR for short.

 

[Cerebrawl]

I love the term PC Master Race. Because it's at once self-deprecating, and you can mock people without any real sting behind it(dirty console peasant!). Perfect banter material.

 

[Cerebrawl]

I was pretty sure the "PC master race" remark originated before Yahtzee, as I swear I had seen it pop up on 4chan's /v/ or somewhere before I had ever heard of him.

Nah, he's the originator, and they copied him. Mind you this was quite some time ago, in his zero punctuation video for The Witcher(1), in january 2008.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/22-The-Witcher

 

[Deacon Cole]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a couple things that are likely to piss you kids off, or that you'll likely ignore as the ravings of a lunatic.

Well, true dat.

1) There are not consoles anymore.

The PS4 and Xbox whatever are nothing but retarded PCs with most of the same problems that used to be exclusive to PC gaming. The only real advantage they have is the fixed hardware set so there should be no problems with recognizing the sound card and stuff like that.

Of the three major consoles, only the WiiU might me considered a console, not a three year old PC without a keyboard. Even then I'm not so sure. It's main gimmick is that bulky tablet-like controller which is, well, like a tablet. (actually the WiiU controller is an attempt to bring the dual screen set up of their popular handhelds to the living room, but I digress)

Consoles that are PCs without a keyboard are nothing new. The Colecovision was a MSX PC without a keyboard-- which they eventually sold as the ADAM home computer. APF released their Imagination Machine which was a console that could be docked with a computer add-on back in 1978.

SWEET JESUS!


The difference today is my second point


2) The world doesn't need consoles anymore.

In 1979 if you wanted to play Space Invaders in your home, how would you do it? With sticks and rocks?

No. You needed to buy a device to be able to play the game.

That is simply no longer the case. Most households already have a PC that runs Windows 95 or better. Many households have several, one for each family member, as well as tablets, smartphones, etc. They no longer need to sell us a magical box to play their games.

Considering that the hardware is sold at a loss, why should manufacturers keep making them when most already have hardware capable of playing games? (smartphones hang an even bigger question mark over handheld consoles. I suspect handhelds will fade first despite Nintendo's use of gimmicks because gimmicks don't matter)

Frankly, I find this divide between PC and console gaming amusing. In the 80's, there was a clearer dividing line because not only was gaming on a console different from a home computer, the kinds of games that could be played on each was different. That's simply not the case anymore. Titles exclusive to a particular console is an artifice.

Personally, I can't wait until this stupid debate/divide/non-topic simply goes away when Sony and Microsoft stop making consoles. Not sure about Nintendo. They tend to be tenacious about such things, but for the other two, the writing has been on the wall. It may take a while longer. This may be the last console generation. But it will happen.

 

[Rozalia1]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a couple things that are likely to piss you kids off, or that you'll likely ignore as the ravings of a lunatic.

Well, true dat.

1) There are not consoles anymore.

The PS4 and Xbox whatever are nothing but retarded PCs with most of the same problems that used to be exclusive to PC gaming. The only real advantage they have is the fixed hardware set so there should be no problems with recognizing the sound card and stuff like that.

Of the three major consoles, only the WiiU might me considered a console, not a three year old PC without a keyboard. Even then I'm not so sure. It's main gimmick is that bulky tablet-like controller which is, well, like a tablet. (actually the WiiU controller is an attempt to bring the dual screen set up of their popular handhelds to the living room, but I digress)

Consoles that are PCs without a keyboard are nothing new. The Colecovision was a MSX PC without a keyboard-- which they eventually sold as the ADAM home computer. APF released their Imagination Machine which was a console that could be docked with a computer add-on back in 1978.
SWEET JESUS!


The difference today is my second point


2) The world doesn't need consoles anymore.

In 1979 if you wanted to play Space Invaders in your home, how would you do it? With sticks and rocks?

No. You needed to buy a device to be able to play the game.

That is simply no longer the case. Most households already have a PC that runs Windows 95 or better. Many households have several, one for each family member, as well as tablets, smartphones, etc. They no longer need to sell us a magical box to play their games.

Considering that the hardware is sold at a loss, why should manufacturers keep making them when most already have hardware capable of playing games? (smartphones hang an even bigger question mark over handheld consoles. I suspect handhelds will fade first despite Nintendo's use of gimmicks because gimmicks don't matter)

Frankly, I find this divide between PC and console gaming amusing. In the 80's, there was a clearer dividing line because not only was gaming on a console different from a home computer, the kinds of games that could be played on each was different. That's simply not the case anymore. Titles exclusive to a particular console is an artifice.

Personally, I can't wait until this stupid debate/divide/non-topic simply goes away when Sony and Microsoft stop making consoles. Not sure about Nintendo. They tend to be tenacious about such things, but for the other two, the writing has been on the wall. It may take a while longer. This may be the last console generation. But it will happen.

First of all your usage of the word "retarded" is offensive and crude. Say the rubbish you want to say without resorting to such nastiness please.

By definition the PS4/XBOX ONE do what is defined a console does so you're wrong. And also because I love saying this... we are not in the age of Jaguar.

This generation as it stands is being very much successful so there goes any credibility your doom predictions might have. I suppose one day as it eventually will happen (PC is no different FYI) you'll be proven wrong... and that'll be when? Guys like you have been predicting this for over a decade and will continue for decades longer until you either lose interest or leave the mortal coil. Striking correct at some nebulous time in future after being wrong for such long periods of time won't mean you're gifted with some mighty insight.

Your:

"Considering that the hardware is sold at a loss, why should manufacturers keep making them when most already have hardware capable of playing games?"

Needs to be explained as while I could think of a way it'd make logical sense I need you to verify first.

And yes I'll be very happy when the platform wars stops raging and than I need to put down the tablet wars all the time... but than again we may all be long gone by that point.

 

[Thanatos2k]

To use your outrageous comparisons as to dissuade you from continuing to use them(doubtful). On some places on the web kiddy fiddling is seen as a perfectly acceptable thing to do... that does not make it an acceptable thing to do.

Exactly! You agree that looking down on people for their choices is not only acceptable, but something that you yourself do and endorse. Not sure why you decided to claim it wasn't ever ok and tried to give some moral high ground sermon to the rest of us.

Unless you're trying to establish yourself as some kind of all knowing moral authority..."It's ok to do it for THIS, but not for THIS...because I say so!"

Forgive us, but I doubt anyone will be acknowledging your omnipotence in this matter.

Except you're as I expected trying to scratch out any reason why I am your superior. You'll bow down to your betters you say but you'll never admit anyone as your better as after all PC > Everything (to you)... you'll only put people down as inferior to yourself, never above.
If you actually did admit that I was your superior through your own morality than while I would not agree with it... I could at least put you down as honest.

Actually I said I could admit you were better if you provided a proper argument as such. Regrettably, you haven't done so, and haven't even attempted to do so - instead, repeated insult of others and myself leads me to the opposite conclusion.

Do I have access to far more games than you by virtue of having a gaming PC and hoards of consoles/handhelds? Yes.

Already debunked this. I'll copy/paste what I already said, since you appear to have ignored it for some reason despite quoting it:

"And remember, exclusive games are not a reason why a platform is better, because those are tangential to the platform itself. If it's very simple you'd be able to explain your reasons. Good luck."

I thought you were going to attempt the defense of "I own consoles too I'm not massively biased honest" as you did post in one of the comments that you owned consoles that lasted a month or whatever meager time frame you gave them... but it seems you've gone with something else.

You were clearly going by better gamer or whatever. How old the games you've finished I've seen be a sort of measuring stick to some people.

...???? So you're trying to attack arguments I've never made? How....intellectually dishonest.

This generation as it stands is being very much successful

What does this have to do with anything? Do we really need to bring up any number of other examples (music is a good one) to destroy the notion that what is popular/successful is typically not even close to what is the best?

First of all your usage of the word "retarded" is offensive and crude. Say the rubbish you want to say without resorting to such nastiness please.

Oh, so you've finally revealed your true colors - you ARE the PC Language Police that Yahtzee so effectively destroyed in this column. No wonder you're so mad about it.

 

[Rozalia1]

Exactly! You agree that looking down on people for their choices is not only acceptable, but something that you yourself do and endorse. Not sure why you decided to claim it wasn't ever ok and tried to give some moral high ground sermon to the rest of us.

Unless you're trying to establish yourself as some kind of all knowing moral authority..."It's ok to do it for THIS, but not for THIS...because I say so!"

Forgive us, but I doubt anyone will be acknowledging your omnipotence in this matter.

And you show yourself up for not knowing at all what I said. There is a reason I talked about what you believed, and your morals. I don't agree with them, follow them, and do not endorse them.
What you mistake as endorsing is me doing as you do, giving you your own medicine which you've shown to not like considering your constant attempts to avoid the simple fact that by your specifications I am better than you, and should heckle you at every turn.

Actually I said I could admit you were better if you provided a proper argument as such. Regrettably, you haven't done so, and haven't even attempted to do so - instead, repeated insult of others and myself leads me to the opposite conclusion.

The person trying to tell me that they are right to insult/heckle others for having a different gaming machine to them... is telling me I am insulting them? I was waiting for this as its a common trait of the paper tiger.
I have what you have and much more... why am I wrong if I were to treat you like you treat others? Because you can dish it out but not take it of course.

Already debunked this. I'll copy/paste what I already said, since you appear to have ignored it for some reason despite quoting it:

"And remember, exclusive games are not a reason why a platform is better, because those are tangential to the platform itself. If it's very simple you'd be able to explain your reasons. Good luck."

Considering I addressed exactly that I think I read it thank you.

You know what your responses are summed up? Dishonesty first of all because you said you would admit your betters... but you try to rule everything that could make someone better than you out. You've backed yourself into a corner so you can no longer say you have X devices... you only have a PC possibly now as anything you say contrary to that is not credible.

There is no point talking PC specs, games owned, or any garbage like that as with it being the only thing you have... you'll just straight up make stuff up if you need to as admitting that someone should treat you like you treat others is your biggest fear.
Which brings up the second thing... cowardice.

You will gleefully at length with crude language challenge anyone and everyone who does not hold your own view across the internet... but when you're faced with a challenge you crumble and proclaim "you can't challenge me stop insulting me".

To be clear I am not insulting you nor do I think it correct to just up and insult people (like you think)... but those that amount to bullies who carefully work within forum rules need to be challenged as it is wrong.
It is not correct to insult/heckle others for owning a different gaming machine than you and that is as the New Age Hitman would say, fact.

...???? So you're trying to attack arguments I've never made? How....intellectually dishonest.

I've seen it many times but preempting can be important at times, others not so much. Even I make mistakes of course such as exerting large amounts of "energy" on what is in actual fact minor harmless stuff.
However I have committed no mistake here as you have constantly shown your colours and they are most disagreeable.

What does this have to do with anything? Do we really need to bring up any number of other examples (music is a good one) to destroy the notion that what is popular/successful is typically not even close to what is the best?

You should be careful when responding to a response I made to someone else. What was said amounted to "consoles will fail as the present shows", the fact is the present shows consoles are doing fine...heck better than fine.
Your point is thus irrelevant as success is all that is relevant in that instance.

Oh, so you've finally revealed your true colors - you ARE the PC Language Police that Yahtzee so effectively destroyed in this column. No wonder you're so mad about it.

Considering it was the word "retarded" I expected you to quote Mr Karmabiscuit who after the harsh karma (good luck to him) coming down on him should really know better.
But no you're instead trying to use Yahtzee as you can't talk on your own on this. If you're going to appeal to authority you'd be better off appealing to a higher one but it'll be a fallacy all the same.

 

[deadish]

Personally I'm more amused than offended that PC gamers are using the term like a badge of honor - seemly not realizing that they are being insulted.

by not letting myself get dragged into this stupid call-out culture that online discussion so often descends into.

Wise words my friend. Wise words.

I was falling into the same trap that arguably started the whole mess in the first place: I was letting games journalism become about games journalism, and about things like moral imperatives and other bullshit, when it should be about games. About why they're good and fun and their place in the world of art. I've never been interested in hype or the drama behind game development, only in the finished products, and so far I've seen nothing to indicate that games are being negatively affected by either misogyny or hysterical misplaced moralizing.

Zing.

Ironically, it's what this site forum is mostly about. These forums are flooded with Social Justice Warriors.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

By the way Yahtzee, I don't understand why you'd respond to something as banal as this, but not write an article on GamerGate. Where exactly is the difference?

Instead of journalism about journalism, it's journalism about peoples feelings. It's basically the same thing except you've made excuses about how people are stupid for expecting that journalism should be unbiased (in that Thief youtube vid), whereas here you're pandering and mewling to the general masses about sensitivity by giving it more time or space than it deserves.
This effectively makes you a hypocrite and apparently you do "give a toss" about it.

I'm not asking or telling you to do an article on GG, because at this point I don't care about your opinion on it. It just baffles me that you're saying one thing and doing another. Apparently you place more value on appeasing the sensitive crowd by explaining yourself to them, than the rest of us who have practical complaints.

You could say that this article was his thoughts on GamerGate, namely that he doesn't have any thoughts that he wants to make public, or that he overall doesn't give a damn. He's a game journalist, and his job is to cover games. Say what you want about Thief being emotionally biased instead of being objective, but in the end it was his thoughts about a game. He went off on that small spiel about the PC Master Race thing because it's a term often misconstrued, but he doesn't comment further on GamerGate or any of that because that goes into territory that he doesn't cover, and frankly at this rate any commentary on GamerGate is just opening yourself to argument.

... So great, I look forward to the replies on this post.

GamerGate is a bunch of idiotic nonsense that I'm pretty sure neither the pro-GG nor the anti-GG crowd even remember is for to begin with. It's hijacked every single goddamned debate wagon, from political stances to feminism to oppression to some conspiracy behind reviewing media and bias and covers just about everything except games itself, which you think should be the most important thing about news dedicated about gaming. Yahtzee doesn't comment on it because it's irrelevant. GamerGate is barely even about games anymore. It's a stupid platform for SJWs and a bunch of other hyper-sensitive ninnies to get on and scream down everyone else that doesn't agree with them. Is it an overgeneralizaton? Possibly, and I'm sure there are good points somewhere on both sides. The problem is that those points aren't present among all of the hatred, vitriol, and just plain crap that's been brought up by this nonsense. Since its inception, the GamerGate fiasco has accomplished nothing besides getting people angry, getting people fired, and wasting people's time. It needs to crawl back down the hole it came from and die a lonely death.

GamerGate is abrasive, trollbait, nonsense, but overall it's just pointless.

 

[blackrave]

I love the term PC Master Race. Because it's at once self-deprecating, and you can mock people without any real sting behind it(dirty console peasant!). Perfect banter material.

Exactly.
Every time someone brings up that this term is "insulting" I want to pull out my cane and beat console stench out of that filthy console peasant.

 

[JimB]

It's been a long time since I've tried to play a game that my system simply wouldn't run, and I make new computers every five or six years (console generation length?). Run poorly? Maybe. But not run at all? Rare.

Just this year, Double Dragon Neon. It's valid to argue that's a fault of the development or of Steam rather than the PC, though.

I think "PC Gaming Bourgeois" is a much better counterpart to "Console Peasantry" than "PC Gaming Master Race" ever was, as not only does it contrast better, but "Bourgeois," to me, is much more obviously self-deprecating, as Bourgeois has never been used as a positive identifier.

Thoughts, anybody?

I think the word "glorious" in front of "PC Master Race" is so over the top as to provide all the irony a reasonable person needs to identify the term as a joke. Or maybe that's just to me, because I have known way too many PC gamers who stopped doing fundamental things like going to school and work or bathing themselves in order to fit in more World of Warcraft (no, I'm not kidding) to ever take seriously a claim that PC gamers are even a master race, let alone a glorious one.

and so far I've seen nothing to indicate that games are being negatively affected by either misogyny or hysterical misplaced moralizing.

Oh, for crying out loud, has he played any games within the last 3+ years? You wanna tell me it's Progessiville Central?

I took some issue with that line too, but ultimately, I'm unsure enough of his meaning to let it go. As someone who is both exceedingly literal and aware of of how his literal nature is a flaw, I don't trust myself to guess what he's getting at here. What does "games being negatively affected" even mean? I get confused because he talks about games rather than gamers or gaming culture, which leads me to question how games can be negatively affected at all. Like, would a Mario game be any more fun if he was rescuing Toad instead of Peach? If Mario was Maria? Would either or both of those things make something better out of jumping over holes and jumping onto turtles? Is that what he's getting at?

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting kind of embarrassed on behalf of gaming for its treatment of women, homosexuality, and minorities too, but I'm a little too confused by Mr. Croshaw's statement to be willing to attack it right now. All I'm willing to say is I don't remember him ever saying gaming is Progressiville Central.

 

[Kameburger]

Let the busybodies scream that neutrality is a tacit endorsement of the enemy; as long as both sides are saying that then I couldn't give a toss.

This is the most important thing that's been written in the last 15 years.

 

[Lazule]

So true. One thing is moderation and another is censoring and thought policing... Also what the hell man... Its just a joke, it is clearly just that.. I think we all honestly need to realize that probably... probably the internet will never learn, there are too many newbies that can't internet without being offended by stupid text.

But don't let that ruin your fun, maybe someday these people will learn to laugh and will stop taking the internet so seriously (hopefully)..

 

[Thanatos2k]

And you show yourself up for not knowing at all what I said. There is a reason I talked about what you believed, and your morals. I don't agree with them, follow them, and do not endorse them.

So despite bringing them up and defending them as examples, you DON'T look down upon terrorists or sexual offenders? Er...ok then. Guess I wasn't the problem after all.

The person trying to tell me that they are right to insult/heckle others for having a different gaming machine to them... is telling me I am insulting them? I was waiting for this as its a common trait of the paper tiger.

Who said anything about insulting? Thinking you're better than someone else at something for logical reasons does not mean you have to insult them about it. Where did you come up with that? More of those arguments I never made again? Stop doing that.

I have what you have and much more... why am I wrong if I were to treat you like you treat others? Because you can dish it out but not take it of course.

Because if there's one thing I haven't done, it's been able to take the insults you've been dishing out. Yep.

Considering I addressed exactly that I think I read it thank you.

Where, exactly? Because you just repeated the argument it debunked. You're bad at debate. If you're not going to actually address points then stop trying.

You've backed yourself into a corner so you can no longer say you have X devices... you only have a PC possibly now as anything you say contrary to that is not credible.

I own:
Atari
NES
SNES
PS1
N64
PS2
Gamecube
Xbox360
PS3
Wii
Gameboy
GBC
GBASP
DS
3DS
PSP
Vita

What was that again? Something about me being in a corner not owning any consoles? Wow that was totally wrong!

You will gleefully at length with crude language challenge anyone and everyone who does not hold your own view across the internet... but when you're faced with a challenge you crumble and proclaim "you can't challenge me stop insulting me".

Actually, this was a recommendation for you - that insulting people in place of arguments will not win you an argument. You appear to have ignored this advice.

It is not correct to insult/heckle others for owning a different gaming machine than you and that is as the New Age Hitman would say, fact.

Good thing no one here is doing that. No one has insulted anyone for *owning* a different gaming machine than a PC. Where are you getting this from? This appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding on your part, and could explain where you entire train of thought continues to go wrong.

I've seen it many times but preempting can be important at times, others not so much. Even I make mistakes of course such as exerting large amounts of "energy" on what is in actual fact minor harmless stuff.

"Preempting" carries with it a huge risk - when you blow it you look foolish. As in this case.

You should be careful when responding to a response I made to someone else. What was said amounted to "consoles will fail as the present shows", the fact is the present shows consoles are doing fine...heck better than fine.

Are they now.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

Considering it was the word "retarded" I expected you to quote Mr Karmabiscuit who after the harsh karma (good luck to him) coming down on him should really know better.
But no you're instead trying to use Yahtzee as you can't talk on your own on this. If you're going to appeal to authority you'd be better off appealing to a higher one but it'll be a fallacy all the same.

You're responding to an article destroying the PC word police by acting like the PC word police. You're displaying a shocking lack of self awareness.

 

[Thanatos2k]

By the way Yahtzee, I don't understand why you'd respond to something as banal as this, but not write an article on GamerGate. Where exactly is the difference?

Instead of journalism about journalism, it's journalism about peoples feelings. It's basically the same thing except you've made excuses about how people are stupid for expecting that journalism should be unbiased (in that Thief youtube vid), whereas here you're pandering and mewling to the general masses about sensitivity by giving it more time or space than it deserves.
This effectively makes you a hypocrite and apparently you do "give a toss" about it.

I'm not asking or telling you to do an article on GG, because at this point I don't care about your opinion on it. It just baffles me that you're saying one thing and doing another. Apparently you place more value on appeasing the sensitive crowd by explaining yourself to them, than the rest of us who have practical complaints.

You could say that this article was his thoughts on GamerGate, namely that he doesn't have any thoughts that he wants to make public, or that he overall doesn't give a damn. He's a game journalist, and his job is to cover games. Say what you want about Thief being emotionally biased instead of being objective, but in the end it was his thoughts about a game. He went off on that small spiel about the PC Master Race thing because it's a term often misconstrued, but he doesn't comment further on GamerGate or any of that because that goes into territory that he doesn't cover, and frankly at this rate any commentary on GamerGate is just opening yourself to argument.

... So great, I look forward to the replies on this post.

GamerGate is a bunch of idiotic nonsense that I'm pretty sure neither the pro-GG nor the anti-GG crowd even remember is for to begin with. It's hijacked every single goddamned debate wagon, from political stances to feminism to oppression to some conspiracy behind reviewing media and bias and covers just about everything except games itself, which you think should be the most important thing about news dedicated about gaming. Yahtzee doesn't comment on it because it's irrelevant. GamerGate is barely even about games anymore. It's a stupid platform for SJWs and a bunch of other hyper-sensitive ninnies to get on and scream down everyone else that doesn't agree with them. Is it an overgeneralizaton? Possibly, and I'm sure there are good points somewhere on both sides. The problem is that those points aren't present among all of the hatred, vitriol, and just plain crap that's been brought up by this nonsense. Since its inception, the GamerGate fiasco has accomplished nothing besides getting people angry, getting people fired, and wasting people's time. It needs to crawl back down the hole it came from and die a lonely death.

GamerGate is abrasive, trollbait, nonsense, but overall it's just pointless.

I think you are intentionally miscontruing Yahtzee's position. Yahtzee seems to fully agree with everything Gamergate is about, but doesn't find it relevant to officially say so because of potential backlash. He'll instead just espouse many of the same views Gamergate holds independently - in this case, that politcally correct moralizing meddlers have no place in gaming, journalism or otherwise.

 

[Vigormortis]

Given that the term "master race" (in English at least) pre-dates the Nazis by about a century [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=master+race&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3], I never really associated "PC Master Race" with them - nor do I see any grounds to do so.

It's just an ironic self-deprecating term for people who prefer playing on the PC. No need to get your panties in a twist.

Sadly, your post will likely fall on deaf ears. (or blind eyes, as might be more appropriate)

But then, this is the internet. The single most consistent place for sarcasm, logic, and humor to go when they want to die.

I love the term PC Master Race. Because it's at once self-deprecating, and you can mock people without any real sting behind it(dirty console peasant!). Perfect banter material.

Precisely.

And, more over, I love to use the term so I can suss out who takes things way too seriously in a conversation.

If someone I'm conversing with gets bent out of shape because I mockingly refer to myself as a member of the "Glorious PC Gaming Master Race"[footnote]For the record: I own many consoles from across the years as well. I just game on whatever has the games I want to play.[/footnote], then I know to expect very little from their side of the discussion.

As for the rest of this thread, I'm left wondering: Why are so many acting as though this kind of "elitist" behavior based on choice of platform is somehow exclusive, or even common, to PC gamers?

Have none of them ever been to Xbox/Playstation/Nintendo-centric forums? Have none of them ever seen Youtube or IGN comment sections?

 

[Rozalia1]

So despite bringing them up and defending them as examples, you DON'T look down upon terrorists or sexual offenders? Er...ok then. Guess I wasn't the problem after all.

The sheer lack of understanding to reach that conclusion is so massive I'm going to rule it as deliberate.
Your constant attempts to justify your looking down on people for owning a console by using terrorism is sickening. People lose their lives everyday to such a thing and you attempt to use it in a tool to further your petty PC > everything war.
Please learn some decency and learn that despising a terrorist for killing people is not remotely comparable to despising someone for buying a console.

Who said anything about insulting? Thinking you're better than someone else at something for logical reasons does not mean you have to insult them about it. Where did you come up with that? More of those arguments I never made again? Stop doing that.

Yet when I'm "logically" better than you... you run and hide stuffing your head down a hole.
Do you know what to look down on someone is?

Actually, this was a recommendation for you - that insulting people in place of arguments will not win you an argument. You appear to have ignored this advice.

I'm better than you logically, you make inferior choices, you are the inferior gamer. You proclaim that to others no issue but have problems with me saying that to you... yeah you can't take it as how you've responded shows.

I own:
Atari
NES
SNES
PS1
N64
PS2
Gamecube
Xbox360
PS3
Wii
Gameboy
GBC
GBASP
DS
3DS
PSP
Vita

What was that again? Something about me being in a corner not owning any consoles? Wow that was totally wrong!

Yeah as I said right at the start (which you claimed was of no use yet now I am proven correct) I've heard your stories about how they crapped out on you and all that, such nasty events in your life.
Someone who did have all that wouldn't see the need to so prolifically spread their biased twaddle (no different to the usual Pcmasterace garbage) all over the net.
You can know a lot about a person with how they carry themselves, and the truth behind your words is pretty obvious.

Good thing no one here is doing that. No one has insulted anyone for *owning* a different gaming machine than a PC. Where are you getting this from? This appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding on your part, and could explain where you entire train of thought continues to go wrong.

I read your posts on PC Gamer and some other places but considering you also persist here with the "I am correct to look down on people"... I refer this question again. Do you know what looking down on someone means?

"Preempting" carries with it a huge risk - when you blow it you look foolish. As in this case.

Clearly not considering you just attempted to use a "hey I own these consoles actually" defense. Nice work for calling me out for putting a hole in the road... and than jumping in anyway.

Are they now.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

Oh boy I was so not expecting that fresh article. Success is not exclusive, consoles can be doing excellent while PCs are too... though I do always find it funny how even though the article is written to be one sided it still mentions the weakness in PC's success... not to mention the data has some blunders additionally with the counting of certain things that shouldn't be... but there is no point bothering with this. You've linked that article a million times figuratively, and you'll link it again another million figurative times in the future.

You're responding to an article destroying the PC word police by acting like the PC word police. You're displaying a shocking lack of self awareness.

I'm sorry but you the person who is unaware how rude and insulting it is to look down on someone is telling me I have a lack of self awareness...
Nothing was destroyed, just because you shut yourself away from other viewpoints looking for decency because you want to say X,Y,Z doesn't prove anything.