On the recent puppy-throwing...

[AlanShore]

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Yes I do think my achievements so far have been fairly remarkable and no I've never thought that I'm wrong in thinking that. I'm not, however, under the illusion that there aren't people far better than myself. I'm just sick of people who have dreams and ambitions and how they go on about how they'd like to do X, Y or Z and then never follow through with any of it because people are ultimately lazy and content to follow what everyone else does and be "average".

 

[Babitz]

The puppy killing thread originated on a forum where I'm a moderator. I'd give you a link, but you wouldn't have any benefit since 99% of you don't speak Croatian / Serbian. The retard who uploaded the video was banned, however. But before posting it and everything, he was asking about 4chan and if they can track him down. Since he lives in Bosnia, i.e. nowhere, he thought they were safe. I hope he enjoys his and his sisters' 5 minutes of fame. But anyway, there were some journalists who came to his and his sisters' (the one throwing puppies) home; they refused to give an interview, of course.

 

[Babitz]

http://www.theknightlynews.com/storage/chad-darfur_02.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1251388879904
If a child soldier, who looks like he's 35 years old, holding a sand stained AK-47 has less of an impact on you than a girl throwing puppies in a river, then you aren't a human being. Crimes against animals are disturbing, and they show a clear need for psychiatric evaluation of the person, and financial reimbursement to the owner if applicable, but they are not humans. There are larger problems in the world that demand more attention than hunting down a girl who threw puppies in a river. I don't see Michael Bay and 4chan hunting down the people in Darfur who kill people by hacking their limbs off with machetes, rape 12 year old girls, and force children to become child soldiers. Perception, it's what's important. When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

Now that is just sad.
A human dying is NOT more important than an animal dying.
Just because we're civilised doesn't mean we're at a higher level than animals. We're still the same at our core.
You'd think differently if you were a furry xD

Being a furry makes you deluded, as you have a biased point of view. Did you ever kill a mosquito or only dogs, cats and cattle are considered animals?

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

We've been desensitized to human suffering - it helps us get by day-to-day life in this hellish nightmare of a world.

/emo

yep you see people die every day on tv and such, not so many movies about puppies being thrown in rivers

 

[Mcupobob]

Humans die every day, I can't control forces of nature and nature isn't an being that I can get mad at. My heart goes out those people who suffer a blight i'll never know but stressing that everyday is just pointless. Now for people that cause harm to others, I've seen that get just as if not more outrage form the escapist, no reason should anyone hurt another human being inless in self defense.

Now, people here are outrage about the whole puppy incedent because its the about the same as throwing a child in the river(not equivlent in terms of harm). Innocent, defensless and life cut short out of shear cruelty that was done in glee. How would anyone not be outraged by that? Inless of course your heart is shrivled to a husk.

This also had the extra slap in the face with it being recorded and published world wide. Its alot easier getting angery about something when you see it, and not when its just a statistics or simply story.

EDIT: Dahh, I hate both sides of this arugement. "I like animales more because all people are evil." or "It was just a animale why is everyone getting worked up?" 1. Sentient life is just the same if not more important than an non-sentient one. Never treat all humans as potential evil its immature. 2. It was an innocent pup, there was no reason what so ever to do that, and even if there was why film it and post it online? She was a sadist with no empathy and need help. People need to stop treating life and death situations as if it was a choice. It happen and nothing can change that, and justise needed to be brought. No matter how small you think the crime was.

Also the whole "Animals can't defend themselves" Is bullcrap for the most part. Pups and the like sure, and the smaller ones, but how often do you see people trying to tourture a bear?(Those who do prombtly get eaten)

 

[Poketom]

This is because most people can fend for themselves and any downfall generally spawns from there own stupidity. Animals on the other hand cannot fend for themselves which is also the reason you shouldn't eat them, wear them or anything else like that.

People can shout for help, fight back and most of all know what's going on. Animals Don't.

'But babies can't do anything.' I hear you say, Well...err...I just don't like babies.

Although

I would save an animal I didn't know over a person I didn't know any day. The person (or baby) could become the next Hitler for all I know the animal on the other hand will be at worst slightly aggressive. People Intentionally do things wrong animals don't. Just another reason.

 

[Halceon]

I have no justification for the outrage (I also don't share it). Drowning puppies has been a normal practice for centuries. So much that even idioms have formed around it.

But i understand where the outrae is coming from - puppies are cute. That's it. Nothing more. Well, ok, puppies are cute and are similar enough to us for us to empathise with them.
The "small and defenceless" seems like a good point up until the moment when we start considering even smaller and more defenceless creatures that get killed en masse by people - insects.
"Conscious act of violence" - same thing, people get killed by people daily. And a lot of them. In fact, on average every 1.7 hours a man in Mexico is killed in drug wars.
"Enjoying it", well, yeah, it is a pretty low thing to do, but it's neither rare nor an extreme case.

 

[OmegaXIII]

They were completely innocent, whereas i think a lot of people accept that humans have a propensity for evil that extends beyond being trained (like for instance a vicious dog would be)so it's not quite so bad when they die. That's my take on it anyway, i would much rather see a person die than a puppy

 

[Android2137]

Because she was actually caught on camera doing the act and it was posted on YouTube. If there was a video of someone beating small children on YouTube, there'd probably be an outrage and a movement against that person. Can't be sure though. I don't have the guts to actually search YouTube for such a thing.

 

[Vern]

Now that is just sad.
A human dying is NOT more important than an animal dying.
Just because we're civilised doesn't mean we're at a higher level than animals. We're still the same at our core.
You'd think differently if you were a furry xD[/quote]

My point was that, as a human being, a humans death should mean more than an animals death. It's preservation of the species, and as a result I think a humans death is more important than an animals. I wouldn't advocate going out and killing animals randomly, but if it was a choice between puppies being thrown in a river or a human, I'd say bye-bye puppy. While I'm not terribly fond of most people, I still value their lives above animals, because I'm a human, so I place a greater value on our lives than animals. So I guess I'm a speciest. There's more important things to get pissed off at than a girl throwing puppies in a river, as fucked up as it may be.

 

[NickCaligo42]

An act of sadism is disgusting no matter what. If she'd been gleefully cutting on a bound and gagged child instead, it would've been equally as disgusting.

 

[Devil919]

http://www.theknightlynews.com/storage/chad-darfur_02.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1251388879904
If a child soldier, who looks like he's 35 years old, holding a sand stained AK-47 has less of an impact on you than a girl throwing puppies in a river, then you aren't a human being. Crimes against animals are disturbing, and they show a clear need for psychiatric evaluation of the person, and financial reimbursement to the owner if applicable, but they are not humans. There are larger problems in the world that demand more attention than hunting down a girl who threw puppies in a river. I don't see Michael Bay and 4chan hunting down the people in Darfur who kill people by hacking their limbs off with machetes, rape 12 year old girls, and force children to become child soldiers. Perception, it's what's important. When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

Then i'm not a human being. I think ANY cruelty to animals are far worse than cruelty to humans mainly because animals don't understand what or why something is happening. I think whoever did this evil act should be slowly tortured for the cruelty they commited. Humans have complete freewill and it is up to us to choose the right thing to do.

 

[GrimTuesday]

The puppy killing thread originated on a forum where I'm a moderator. I'd give you a link, but you wouldn't have any benefit since 99% of you don't speak Croatian / Serbian. The retard who uploaded the video was banned, however. But before posting it and everything, he was asking about 4chan and if they can track him down. Since he lives in Bosnia, i.e. nowhere, he thought they were safe. I hope he enjoys his and his sisters' 5 minutes of fame. But anyway, there were some journalists who came to his and his sisters' (the one throwing puppies) home; they refused to give an interview, of course.

Give it to us anyway. Not only could we just put it through Google translator or one of those sorts of sites or we can just give it to 4chan and watch them have fun ripping them apart. Not the site, just the kid.

For me it is not about the fact that it was puppies that she was killing, it was the fact that she was enjoying killing something that was completely defenseless and I find that sick. For the record I do feel a lot of sadness when I hear about any innocent human life being taken, more so then any animal.

 

[Karathos]

(Sorry about not following my own thread. Got stuck rescuing a lost hamster in a certain classic BioWare / Black Isle RPG )

Now that is just sad.
A human dying is NOT more important than an animal dying.
Just because we're civilised doesn't mean we're at a higher level than animals. We're still the same at our core.
You'd think differently if you were a furry xD

My point was that, as a human being, a humans death should mean more than an animals death. It's preservation of the species, and as a result I think a humans death is more important than an animals. I wouldn't advocate going out and killing animals randomly, but if it was a choice between puppies being thrown in a river or a human, I'd say bye-bye puppy. While I'm not terribly fond of most people, I still value their lives above animals, because I'm a human, so I place a greater value on our lives than animals. So I guess I'm a speciest. There's more important things to get pissed off at than a girl throwing puppies in a river, as fucked up as it may be.[/quote]

This is pretty much what I personally think, beyond what I tried to get across in the OP. Will read through all the responses more closely. Alot of good stuff here, that's made me look at the situation a bit differently - or at least understand it a bit better.

 

[Red Bomb]

I care more about animals than about the human race (sorry but I do). More and tougher jail time should be given to those cowardly enough to cause animal cruelty. It's disgusting and shows a weak human being.
I think it's selfish to think that people are more important than animals.
Besides, we are derstoying the planet and are over populated. Im probably going to get slated for having this opinion but it's my opinion and Im very passionate about it.

 

[Biosophilogical]

I think some of it has to do with the attachment to the subject of the emotions (it was a video, so the 'realtionship' with the puppies was visually enforced), the other part is the necessity of intent for evil. As in, an earthquake is bad an what-not, but it isn't evil, suffering is bad, but it isn't evil. Accidentally tripping and setting off a bomb, killing dozens, isn't evil (unfortunate and regrettable, but not evil). However, someone throwing puppies into a river can be considered evil due the presence of intent to create the outcome (obviously moral relativism determines wheterh ti is considered evil or not).

So yeah, a combination of the 'relationship factor' and the 'potential evil' thing.

 

[Redweevil]

Well we'd also be upset if someone started throwing people in the river. Mass murder is also sad, which is what she is commiting to dog kind

 

[Zhukov]

If you were to produce a video of someone throwing a bucket of human babies into a river I'm pretty sure there would be an outraged reaction.

 

[Anah'ya]

When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

I disagree.

*shrugs*

I am more likely to defend an animal than I am a human. Especially a stranger. We humans have the means to defend ourselves, even if it's a pointless effort. We have the ability to change our situation. Animals don't. They are subjected to our every whim.