On the recent puppy-throwing...

[Cmwissy]

Hopefully this hasn't already been ninja'd -


I understand most of the internet is white and middle-class, so this post might come as a shock to some of you but - Drowning kittens/puppies is quite normal. (Throwing them into a river like shot-puts however, is not.)

I've lived in both a middle-class greater London area where this is a massive monstrosity and a rural southern-French area where this is a normal occurrence. Not everywhere has veterinarians who can 'look after' animals or shelters that can home them for free - And because of that, when you're living in a rural area and you're surrounded by twelve cats/dogs with another litter on the way, sadly, you have to kill the new ones on the way, usually by drowning/'tapping' on the head.


Let's not judge this girl for what she did, but for how she did it.


And before someone calls me some sort of monster, I am against having to do this - most people are - but there is no other choice in these areas.

[small] and because my step-dad recently had to drown kittens. [/small]

 

[AlanShore]

The very likely chances are that they aren't.

Trust me, they are.

Because you know the hearts and minds of everyone, right?
The guy who is driving that cab? Yeah, you know all about him because he's driving a cab. Probably lazy.
That homeless guy on the corner? Yeah, you know all about him. He's homeless, and obviously lazy.

The cab driver probably is lazy and was too short sighted to apply himself in school. Not many people would actually want a job like that.

Anyway this discussion is pointless; you think most people are magical and wonderful, I think most are are useless and would back stab you in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. Has anyone ever changed anyone's mind through an internet discussion?

 

[SnipErlite]

Because people don't watch videos of other humans suffering and dying in their thousands. When there's a clip right in front of you it's a lot harder to ignore or to not think about.

Plus...those puppies were cute! It's like...aw.

 

[Cmwissy]

Or are there no vets in rural areas?

Fifty miles away from where we lived. And we didn't have a car. And the puppies had already been born.

And don't think we didn't try to find a bus or taxi at all, 'least one that would accept a box of puppies on board.


Stop trying to be a smartarse.

 

[the December King]

It is abhorrent. When something is done like this, it is a cold- blooded and disgusting act. The people who post these things should also be punished.

When people drown in floods, it is sad. When animals die in a flood, it is sad. When babies of either humans or animals are tossed into a river to die for the amusement of others, it is criminal and wrong.

 

[Baby Tea]

The very likely chances are that they aren't.

Trust me, they are.

Pardon me if I don't trust you.

The cab driver probably is lazy and was too short sighted to apply himself in school. Not many people would actually want a job like that.

I'm so glad that you know everyone and what they want.
That must be a very handy skill to have.

Anyway this discussion is pointless; you think most people are magical and wonderful, I think most are are useless and would back stab you in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. Has anyone ever changed anyone's mind through an internet discussion?

I don't think most people are magical and wonderful.
I think everyone has worth. There is quite a difference there.

You're right about one thing, though: That I probably won't change your mind.
But that's what happens, right? No sense in having any self-reflection. It's the internet.

 

[the December King]

My. Thoughts. Exactly.

Thank you! People call me heartless when I say that the puppy throwing thing didn't affect me badly. Yes, it is a horrible thing that she's doing, but there are people worldwide who are in situations worse than we can ever imagine and I can't help but be more upset and angered by their plights.

Yeah, but they aren't usually recorded for your amusement like this.

 

[Jiefu]

Now, this is the first topic I've actually decided to start myself so bear with me on this. Watching the massive outburst of anger on most forums in regards to the video of the teenage girl throwing puppies in the river, I immediately started thinking one thing.

"Do people have any idea how many HUMAN BEINGS die every day for no good reason?"

Now allow me to explain that. I just can't get my head around the amount of outrage that this has caused. Yes, it's a sick act and I'd just as happily throw the girl into a river herself, but is it really -that- big a news story that some puppies got killed? Thousands drown in floods in some hellhole and it barely raises any eyebrows, but a girl throwing puppies in the river and everyone's greasing up the sniper rifles for a takedown. It's not the first time this has happened either (US Marine throws puppy off cliff-video, for example), so for added discussion value I'm going to ask...

Why does something like cute puppies being hurt merit such a strong response from people, while simultaneous human suffering elsewhere seems to go unnoticed? Or is it just me being a cynic, to begin with? Now discuss!

People are disgusted by the sheer, unmitigated malice of this act. The puppies are clearly very young, and thus completely unable to defend themselves. However, left on their own, they would likely not have fallen into a river and died. In contrast, many of the human lives lost that you mention are not due to such malevolence. Children in Africa don't die because someone goes over and steals their food and then punches them in the nose for added cruelty; they die due to pathogens attacking their compromised immune systems. It is the nature of diseases to cause suffering; no one should be surprised when they do. People seem to feel, however, that it is not, or at least should not, be the nature of human beings to cause suffering.

 

[the December King]

Hopefully this hasn't already been ninja'd -


I understand most of the internet is white and middle-class, so this post might come as a shock to some of you but - Drowning kittens/puppies is quite normal. (Throwing them into a river like shot-puts however, is not.)

I've lived in both a middle-class greater London area where this is a massive monstrosity and a rural southern-French area where this is a normal occurrence. Not everywhere has veterinarians who can 'look after' animals or shelters that can home them for free - And because of that, when you're living in a rural area and you're surrounded by twelve cats/dogs with another litter on the way, sadly, you have to kill the new ones on the way, usually by drowning/'tapping' on the head.


Let's not judge this girl for what she did, but for how she did it.


And before someone calls me some sort of monster, I am against having to do this - most people are - but there is no other choice in these areas.

[small] and because my step-dad recently had to drown kittens. [/small]

You could always just not have pets, if you're expecting to have to 'tap' a bunch of kittens on the head later on. A little foresight, less killing. Also, spaying and neutering can save on needless tapping. You owe it to your pet- it is a responsibility.

 

[AlanShore]

Pardon me if I don't trust you.

Pardon me if I don't care.

I'm so glad that you know everyone and what they want.
That must be a very handy skill to have.

It is, yes. Come on, you honestly think that people actually dream about being a cab driver / toiler cleaner / other menial job one day and the majority of them ended up in those jobs because they really want to and not because they didn't apply themselves?

 

[Cmwissy]

You could always just not have pets, if you're expecting to have to 'tap' a bunch of kittens on the head later on. A little foresight, less killing. Also, spaying and neutering can save on needless tapping. You owe it to your pet- it is a responsibility.

Getting a pet in rural southern France isn't what's it like getting a pet in Whereveryoulive-land, allow me to explain.

You can't simply go to a pet shop and buy a pet and then continue to look after it for the next 18 years before it dies, in fact, I can't even remember a pet shop being near us. And after that you can't go to a local veterinarian and get the pets spayed or neutered for a small price.

All our dogs/cats were either wild or stray, most of them wandered around our house every so often for a couple of months in search of food, we then eventually started feeding them out of pity or annoyance, they started hanging around more and they were our 'pets', they couldn't be spayed or neutered because we had no way of getting to the 'local' vet that was 50 miles 'down the road', this happened 3 or 4 times with both cats and dogs and they all got pregnant.

We did our best to look after 3 dogs and 7 cats but since the majority of them were female and we *could not* (Unless you think I should've gone to town on their lowers with a rock?) spay them, so when we were expecting double the amount of pups and kittens we had to do something, so we did exactly what our neighbors who lived on the other side of the mountain did and drowned them.(Like the complete monsters we are)


Of-course, we also searched around for bus services and taxi services that would allow pets (Or bus or taxi services at all) on board, we also asked around for anyone who wanted pets, anyone with more advice (Which was all the same "Drown them") and any other way. But you don't want to hear that, you just want to hear about how monstrous we are.

They were kittens just a moment ago.

We've killed both - We're complete monsters.

 

[Scout Tactical]

Now, this is the first topic I've actually decided to start myself so bear with me on this. Watching the massive outburst of anger on most forums in regards to the video of the teenage girl throwing puppies in the river, I immediately started thinking one thing.

"Do people have any idea how many HUMAN BEINGS die every day for no good reason?"

Now allow me to explain that. I just can't get my head around the amount of outrage that this has caused. Yes, it's a sick act and I'd just as happily throw the girl into a river herself, but is it really -that- big a news story that some puppies got killed? Thousands drown in floods in some hellhole and it barely raises any eyebrows, but a girl throwing puppies in the river and everyone's greasing up the sniper rifles for a takedown. It's not the first time this has happened either (US Marine throws puppy off cliff-video, for example), so for added discussion value I'm going to ask...

Why does something like cute puppies being hurt merit such a strong response from people, while simultaneous human suffering elsewhere seems to go unnoticed? Or is it just me being a cynic, to begin with? Now discuss!

I quoted you directly, OP, so that I could give you this reading material.

"A single death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic." -Erich Maria Remarque
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AMillionIsAStatistic

"Kicking the Dog is the fodder of anything resembling a modern-day Morality Play. A character performs an act so casual and immoral that you know that they are scum." - TVTropes
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KickTheDog

Simply put, this combines the two attributes people hate the most: a murderer with a low kill count, and innocent victims who can't defend themselves, and can be picked off casually.

 

[Baby Tea]

Come on, you honestly think that people actually dream about being a cab driver / toiler cleaner / other menial job one day and the majority of them ended up in those jobs because they really want to and not because they didn't apply themselves?

No, I believe that people can be happy and still have worth while doing those jobs!
And I don't look down on them from my pretentious high-horse simply because of their career.
I know janitors who are quite happy! I know cab drivers who are happy! I know farmers who are happy! These people aren't so insecure that they need to prove to themselves, or anyone else, that their worth is based on their career or formal education. Especially since both of those factors presupposes all sorts of things! Opportunity, finances, social status, location, etc.

And if you think they are so useless, drive yourself to work, clean your own office, fix your own car, and grow your own food.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

well i'm not agreeing with what she did was right but, disposing of unwanted puppies or kittens by throwing them in rivers has been around for quite a while especially in the more eastern part or europe.

That's absolute bullshit.

True, but the standard farming practice is to drown them in a bucket... in rural farming areas of england and america. Or at least it was for the last 200 years. However this was an unsavory act and no farmer enjoyed doing it, unlike this girl who revels in the murder.

 

[the December King]

You could always just not have pets, if you're expecting to have to 'tap' a bunch of kittens on the head later on. A little foresight, less killing. Also, spaying and neutering can save on needless tapping. You owe it to your pet- it is a responsibility.

Getting a pet in rural southern France isn't what's it like getting a pet in Whereveryoulive-land, allow me to explain.

You can't simply go to a pet shop and buy a pet and then continue to look after it for the next 18 years before it dies, in fact, I can't even remember a pet shop being near us. And after that you can't go to a local veterinarian and get the pets spayed or neutered for a small price.

All our dogs/cats were either wild or stray, most of them wandered around our house every so often for a couple of months in search of food, we then eventually started feeding them out of pity or annoyance, they started hanging around more and they were our 'pets', they couldn't be spayed or neutered because we had no way of getting to the 'local' vet that was 50 miles 'down the road', this happened 3 or 4 times with both cats and dogs and they all got pregnant.

We did our best to look after 3 dogs and 7 cats but since the majority of them were female and we *could not* (Unless you think I should've gone to town on their lowers with a rock?) spay them, so when we were expecting double the amount of pups and kittens we had to do something, so we did exactly what our neighbors who lived on the other side of the mountain did and drowned them.(Like the complete monsters we are)


Of-course, we also searched around for bus services and taxi services that would allow pets (Or bus or taxi services at all) on board, we also asked around for anyone who wanted pets, anyone with more advice (Which was all the same "Drown them") and any other way. But you don't want to hear that, you just want to hear about how monstrous we are.

They were kittens just a moment ago.

We've killed both - We're complete monsters.

Don't feed strange animals unless you're ready to take them in, I guess would be an appropriate reaction.

So in how long a time span were you basically neglecting to take care of your animals? It happened FOUR times, and during that entire timespan, you had no access to a vehicle? And basically everyone in 'rural southern france' around you was a selfish prick, because in all that time no one could help you out?

You're right, this seems monstrous. But to me, it's monstrous in your initial neglect, not in the barbaric act that naturally has to follow.

 

[Xcelsior]

I laughed my ass off at the puppy video

Phew, at least I wasn't the only one. Seriously, though what that girl did was horrible.

 

[AlanShore]

No, I believe that people can be happy and still have worth while doing those jobs!
And I don't look down on them from my pretentious high-horse simply because of their career.
I know janitors who are quite happy! I know cab drivers who are happy! I know farmers who are happy! These people aren't so insecure that they need to prove to themselves, or anyone else, that their worth is based on their career or formal education. Especially since both of those factors presupposes all sorts of things! Opportunity, finances, social status, location, etc.

And if you think they are so useless, drive yourself to work, clean your own office, fix your own car, and grow your own food.

While they may be happy, my original point on the first page was that they were unremarkable (i.e, ordinary, average, nothing special and ultimately forgettable) and I don't see why people put humans on some kind of pedestal compared to other forms of life.

And I do drive myself to work, clean my own office, fix my own car and grow my own vegetables. Especially cleaning my office as the woman who does it at the moment can't even do that properly.