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Marcus turned his head slowly, to look at the blade being pointed at him and then looked up and the man. Anger was strewn across his face. Marcus laughed. "My friend, I do not wish to get blood on my sword, I polished it but a day ago. Killing you would be no more difficult than the children of the story. Sit, you fool." He laid on a more "regal" accent than normal, to further mock the man challenging him. Marcus lazily looked away from the sword and returned to the conversation, ignoring the rising rage of the man he had just brushed off.
 

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"Sit down, Sir Ammon!" The Host roared. Darren shot a sharp glance at the old hunter, obviously not even toying with the notion of relenting. The Host stood up slowly, hand outstretched in placation. "Please, Sir Ammon. Sheathe yer blade. There be no violence around my fire, even if you are sorely insulted by..." He smiled at Marcus, the wanderer sitting aloof on his stump. "...rougher folk."

As Darren thought on those words, The Host faced Marcus. "I'll not have bear-baitin' at my fire either, wanderer. Even a trapped bear can kill." The Host spread his eyes across the rest of the company. "And that goes fer all of you. I'll not tell you again. No. Violence." The Host nodded for emphasis and took his seat once again, sighing as he realised his pipe had gone out.

I wasn't expecting that lol! Kept me on my toes haha! I feel that the tension surrounding Darren and Marcus is going to get worse before it gets better lol.

Just an FYI, I'll be away from this afternoon until Sunday evening. So please play nice at least until I return lol.

@Dectomax: Sorry I've not woken up my character in your RP, I'll get on that as soon as I'm back on Sunday. = D
 

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Darren glared at Marcus but he understood the truth in the Host's words and grudgingly sat back down on his log, muttering under his breath loud enough so everyone around the campfire could hear.

"So it's true what they say... men without faith truly do have no morals"
 

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Marcus let out a hearty chuckle "My friend, do you even understand these morals you are talking about? What we have here is relativism. One man describes the way things are, without attempting to tell of how they should be, the other? He says that morals are linked to cultures and traditions, that how we see them is affected by the lands in which we were birthed! The last man? He says that there is no moral code that is, one and powerful, that we should tolerate others views upon this. You see, morals are entirely contextually based." Marcus stared at the looks on the men's faces. "Oh yes, I have been educated - a wanderer doesn't make a living from walking - You can sit around the fire, or your fancy temples and court tables and talk, but I, I, am a man of action. Is it not better to do, rather than to talk. Wars were won by the fighting men, those who did, rather than those who sat at their tables and talked." Marcus finished with a smile. He took a small flask from his hip and took a long swig from it, before settling it down on the floor next to him.
 

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Claudio finally rejoins the conversation after sitting quietly, "It could be said that men of action, Marcus, kill children."

Smiling smugly Claudio leans away from Marcus, and addresses Darren, "One moment you speak of not being able to stand the sight of this 'evil' of which you speak, yet in the next breath condemn such rhetoric as the tools of a fool, to use your own words, a fallacy?"

Claudio's face changes, a sombre look, "If you could calm your hot head for a moment and explain yourself, I would be greatful. Or are you... confused, sir?"

Claudio regrets the words leaving his mouth. The hypocrisy considering his own outbursts only moments ago is not lost on him. And against the wishes of their host, he was msot deffinitely baiting this young knight. But all that aside, Claudio still felt that this was a pertinent point.
 

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"Believe me, even in my much shorter lifetime I have fought for right far more often than you have" Darren replied to Marcus's taunt with a reprimanding look "The duty of a knight is to do what is just, rather than debate what is or is not."

He then turned to Claudio with an audible sigh.

"I'm afraid to say that I think you are the confused one my friend. I never said that any man was evil, but rather that some are so deeply entrenched in evil thoughts and acts that it's better for himself and for the greater good that he dies. If he continues to live then true he may repent, but it's more likely that he'll continue to do bad, not only harming others but also further piling guilt onto his own soul. Through death and the mercy of the Gods, he'll have the chance for a fresh beginning in a new body and to turn his path around. Does my logic not make sense?"
 

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"I can agree with the young Darren on this point." Sai'if leans forward, eyes focused on his mug. "Those who commit evils must be punished. That is the basis of the existence of people like me. Unfortunately, other people's definitions of 'just' differ, meaning like it or not it IS up for debate. My predecessors thought the way you did and look what happened to them. The world rejected their justice and wrought their own upon them. This is why Soul Watchers do things very differently these days. We must respect other's versions of justice whilst executing our own. It can be very trying at times, but I know that by punishing the guilty I help bring balance and peace to our world."
 

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Silence fell for a time over the campfire. Darren decided to try to bring the conversation back to Sharrow's story, realising that he had been partly responsible for the deviation away from the subject.

"So Sharrow" he asked cordially "What happened to the kingdom after the leader was lynched? Did a new King take the throne, or did it become a republic? Did the people's lives improve?"
 

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Hah, I'm back. My computer died (blasted thing), as if i really needed an excuse for christmas cheer. It is, apparently, unfoxable, meaning loss of mnuch irriplaceable data, but luckily, I keep all the important thingsa ionside my head, in idea format at the least.

In other good news, I now have use of a lovely freind's spare laptop, meaning I can finally begin posting again. I'll be a bit on/off n(more so than usual, I warn you), but I'm here at last!

A post will be attatched here shortly

The Fool?s eyes glittered, and he smiled a grim half-smile, more a thin snarl than an expression of mirth. His lips parted, and a quiet chuckle formed into words.

?Does it make a difference what came after? Do you seek to judge the man by the effects that came later? Will you then tell me that the viper that kills the young prince may be held responsible for the civil war of succession? No, I will not allow that the future may be used to judge the present; in my eyes it is the events that frame an action, it?s causes and it?s context, that allow one to judge it.?

He was quiet for a moment, his eyes half closed and his features blank. A tear formed, near invisible in the darkness and flickering firelight. Then he spoke again, his voice appearing without apparent movement, like a separate entity, laden with its own grief.

?The republic lived on; for the Leader?s supporters had grown strong enough to survive his fall, and they went on to build a beautiful realm. They saw, as has been said, that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and instead founded a council of elected men and women to run it.? A pause, and the tear rolled slowly down his face, catching the light. When he next spoke, the movement of his jaw caused it to fall.

?They called themselves the Republic of Drenan.?
 

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"I think the out come of someone's actions are very important in judging the action." Claudio rolls his eyes, "Of course, as they all say, hindsight is a beautiful thing."

He pauses for a moment, "What I mean to say is that if we could see the outcome of our actions before we do them, we would, that is, if it would allow us to better ourselves and the world around us and avoid pain and suffering. I know that is quite an abstract and hypothetical way of looking at it, but it proves that the results of an action are as important as the actions themselves and the intent. Just because we don't have the super-natural pragmatic vision to see the full context surrounding the chocies we make in life doesn't mean we are excused from making choices that though at first seem right, will eventually result in death, destruction and misery."

A comical over-exagerate frown forms upon the old man's face, "It is a difficult question, that is for sure."
 

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Sai'if turns his gaze to Claudio. "So, according to you, if a terrible man rapes a woman resulting her in being with child, and the child then grows up to find a cure for some terrible plague saving hundreds the rapist is not at fault as his crime had unforeseen future blessings? Absurd! Evil deeds are still evil deeds."

Sai'if then addresses the group in general. "The murdering of children is still the murdering of children. His intentions and any possible resulting outcome cannot make amends for his sin. To think that killing his predecessor's children was the only option makes him quite foolish. It is good he met his end as in the long run he likely would not have been a proper ruler for his people."
 

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"I agreed with Sai'if, I don't think I would have liked this man if I had met him, even if I share his ideology of revolution. The fact that he attempted to usurp the throne and his later actions suggest to me that had he survived he probably would have become as bad as his predecessor. His removal was probably for the best."

Seeing that the fire was dying down a little, Darren picked up a couple of logs and rolled them in causally before continuing.

"While sometimes one must commit a small act of evil for the greater good, that doesn't give anyone a free reign to go as far as killing children to preserve something supposedly good. Once you've gone that far, one must wonder whether the means have outweighed the end result."
 

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"Heh," Claudio once again laughs, "But if we could tell that the child of rape would do great good, then our judgement of the act of rape would be different. One suffers, for the good of the many. Simple, utilitarian ethics my friends. The problem is we can't tell the future, nor can we allow a simple possibility to validate an act that will cause pain and suffering in the present."

Claudio address Sai'if directly, "Your kind, you look into the soul, correct? To some, that isn't an option. So why should people such as you be allowed to pass judgement based upon arcane knowledge not available to the rest of us? My point is, if someone may see the future unfold ahead of time, a clairvoyant, fortune teller, or whatever label you want to apply to them, well... ethics would become an even more complicated discussion than it currently is, wouldn't it?"
 

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Sai'if brings his gaze back to Claudio. "A Soul Watcher's sight is not some special permission to pass judgement. To ask me not to allow the things I see in people's souls to affect my judgments because you can't do it, is like me saying you can't you use what you see with your eyes or hear with your ears because there are others who are blind or deaf. Even both. Anyone and everyone is capable of passing judgement. I simply do it more proactively than most.

"As for clairvoyance or foresight or what have you, that complicates it not. Evil actions are still evil actions, even if done for the sake of good. There are many paths one may take on one's journey and there are ways to do good or prevent great evil without having to perform evil one's self. If somehow, some clairvoyant saw the highly unlikely situation that there was an imminent and great catastrophe or evil and the only way to prevent it was to perform an act of evil then that changes the act itself. For example, it is no longer simply murdering a man, it becomes assassinating a would be Tyrant and murderer of thousands which makes it no longer evil."
 

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A grimace briefly comes to Sai'if's face. "A despicable act. Any deeds of the child would not spare the father from my judgement. Or my blade."
 

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From his stump, The Host surveyed his guests, allowing their chatter to wash over him. They were a different lot, some more forthright than others. A few of them seemed adverse to speak out, but when they did... Their words have much weight, The Host thought. Others said a lot but very little. The old wanderer was beginning to formulate an opinion on each of his guests, but the night was only just beginning, more stories lay ahead.

As Sai'if's reply reached The Host's ears, the old man gave a loud snort. The Soulwatcher turned questioningly to him, eyes searching through the opacity of The Host's soul. "Interesting idea. What about a pregnant woman?" The Host leans forward, eyes hard. The firelight doesn't seem to reflect off of them for a few seconds. "Suppose she's despicably evil - murdering, molesting children - but carries in her womb the saviour of mankind? A child so pure that it would grow up to deliver us from everything that has ever tarnished our existence as a species."

Slowly, The Host begins to fill his pipe, he continues to speak without looking up. "What if the most evil person in the world were to give birth to - effectively - the Messiah?" His hands freeze as his scans the faces of his guests, stopping on Sai'if once again. "Would you condemn her to death straight away, knowing that the unborn baby inside of her would die too? Or would you imprison her, let her live until she gave birth and then execute her?" The Host lights his pipe but just stares at it for a moment. His guests began to shift on their seats. Whether from discomfort of the stumps, or from The Host's words, is uncertain.

"What," The Host continues quietly, "...What if you knew that the child would only become the prophesied messiah due to his cruel and evil mother's upbringing? Until he is 30, the mother continues to commit unspeakable acts to both him and others. That is the only path that leads him to becoming the saviour of all." The Host takes three short puffs on his pipe and sighs pleasantly. "Would you allow the child and countless others to be subjected to such atrocities for the sake of saving mankind?" The Hosts words are met with further silence, although he can feel the intense thought emanating from each of his guests.

Suddenly, the old man, teeth clenching the smoking pipe, laughs hard and loud. "Hahahaha, I speak nonsense to make you think. Well, we've dealt on this long enough, I think. Time for another to share his tale." The Host jabs his pipe towards Marcus, the outspoken treasure hunter. "Faithless wanderer, if you would be so kind to go next?"

I am so sorry for not being around guys. I'll make sure to give this the attention I feel it deserves, and - of course - the attention I know you all deserve.

Dectomax is going to be the next storyteller. I know he's got most (if not all) of his story pretty much ready to post so we shouldn't have long to wait in order to get things under way again. If anyone feels like they can't commit to this anymore, please let me know so I can strike you off the list.

Anyway, enjoy!
 

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Marcus looked into the fire; eye?s alive as he watched the dancing flames. He looked at the host and around to the others, sitting at the wayside. ?I?ll tell you a story.?

?When humans first roamed the land, morality was determined by those who carried the sharpest stick or hefted the heaviest rock. Those who fought and won were able to state what was right and what was wrong. Those who were vanquished; cut, torn, and rotting in the sun - they were never able to complain that their demise had been immoral. Morality is nothing more than a concept, conjured by those who have the time and the privilege to be able to think instead of existing in a situation where they are forced to act. The absolutist tells me that taking a life is wrong under all circumstances. The punishment for murder is death they cry! Hypocrites. The relativist tells me that taking a life is justified under certain circumstances. It is acceptable to kill to save a life! Arrogant fools. Who are these people, who claim to recognize right from wrong, who attempt to justify the taking of a life in one breath, yet condemn it in the next? If Gods were real, thus creating a necessity for morality, then surely it would be the Gods alone who should have the power to decide who lives and who dies?? Marcus?s face was alive with emotion, as he continued to speak.

?This assumes that we all have the capacity for choice, that we possess a will that is free to shape our own paths in this world. This, my friends is a big assumption indeed. Our thoughts and our actions are as much determined for us as the course of a single drop of water caught up in the ebbs and currents of a mighty river. Each droplet pushes and coerces those around it, and is likewise coerced in turn. I am no fatalist ? I do not believe that we have an unavoidable fate mapped out before us, but similarly I do not believe our actions are entirely our own to decide.? He fidgeted on his stump, pausing for but only a second.

?Take this as an example. I once worked for a man who was an apothecary of great renown. He had brewed a restorative for a patient in a neighboring town who was sick and on the verge of death. The quickest route between the two towns was through an area of woodland, known to be inhabited by bandits. Of course there were other routes available, but time was against us, and so the fastest and most direct route was really my only option. The bandits preyed on the unwary in those woods because their taxes were too high and they were unable to feed their families through honest work. The apothecary knew of the bandits, so he issued me with a sword for my protection. He also knew that a sword would be useless without training, so he hired somebody who was sufficiently proficient. Suffice to say, I was set upon by those bandits as I passed through the woods, and I killed each one who dared to face me. I delivered the restorative and saved the apothecary?s patient, who in the following years proved to be a murderer responsible for some fifteen deaths.? Looking to the others he tilted his head and smiled.


?Ethicists, Philosophers and Scholars will sit back and pick over this situation like vultures picking at a corpse. In the comfort of their studies, seated in fine chairs, warmed by brandy and fire, they will assign blame or praise to the actions of others, actions they know nothing about. I could have refused the job, I could have taken another route, or I could have surrendered to the bandits ? but each of these actions would have had their own series of repercussions. I did not choose for the patient to become sick, or to be attacked by bandits. I did not set their taxes or take the food from their families. These occurrences were outside of my control. Once the patient had been cured, I was not responsible for the terrible tragedies wrought by his hands. I simply acted as I saw fit. These great thinkers, in all their arrogance and surrounded by luxury, they forget that they live their privileged lives because there are others out there who act to keep them safe. The soldier who defends this land ? unafraid of sacrifice, or the cut and thrust of a blade ? keeps these great thinkers safely distanced from the actions they judge with such disdain and contempt.? Marcus shook his head as he laughed, letting out a great sigh.

?Hypocrites, sycophants and misguided fools, they peddle in dreams and illusions, never truly knowing the reality they claim to judge. But I digress, what does this have to do with me or my story? As a matter of fact, everything.? Then, as though in great pain, he looked towards the fire and spoke.

?Once upon a time, there was a man. After a period of wandering, this man came to settle in a small coastal town. Here he met a woman, and between them, they had a beautiful son. They were happy. Then one day, a hooded stranger traded harsh words with a noble in the town square. It came to be that those words sparked a fire that ended in death. The boats, the town, the people ? they all burned. A few made it out alive, none of them made it out untouched. The man lived, his family did not.

Turns out that the hooded stranger was part of a great and terrible cult. They believed that all sins should be cleansed in flame, and they found sin amongst the people of Hark?s Bay. The few survivors all tell a slightly different tale; the details and the names don?t matter much anymore. As the town slept, the hooded strangers crept into dark places with flasks of oil and struck flint against steel. The sparks grew into a great conflagration that engulfed the whole town. By the time the alarm was raised, there weren?t enough people left alive to fight the fires.

The man wandered the coastal paths that night, his skin blackened except for the pale tracks cut into his cheeks where tears flowed freely. He found a handful of those hooded fanatics on a cliff top overlooking the town, watching everything he had ever loved burn to ash. By sunrise the next morning, they had shared in his pain completely.
With nothing left to live for, he walked until his legs would carry him no further, and then he sat, waiting for the numbing embrace he hoped death would provide. It did not come. The burning brilliance of the sun sank beneath the waves, only to be replaced by the ghastly light of the moon, but still death did not claim him. He prayed, he cried, he screamed at the black emptiness of the sky until his throat was raw, but no salvation was forthcoming, no release evident.
? A single tear could be seen, etching its way along Marcus?s face as he continued through the story.

?The old woman found him shivering, disheveled and exhausted the following morning. She prepared a small fire, cooked him breakfast and asked for nothing in return, save for the answer to a single question: what did he wish had happened? The man replied simply, wishing he had possessed the power to kill those who would harm him. His wording was careless, for he did not understand the weight of the conversation that was taking place. The woman left shortly afterwards, telling him to live his life, reassuring him that no harm would ever befall him again. For many months, the man did not believe her. For many months, he did not have to.
Then events began to stack up. There was the barroom brawl, the highwaymen, the drunken member of the watch. Each person had meant him harm, and each had fallen in a heartbeat. There was no thought involved, no conscious decision to fight or end a life, not even a recognizable reaction. One moment he was threatened, the next he was safe in the presence of a corpse.
? Marcus turned his gaze from the flickering of the fire, to the others sat with him.


?Whether the old lady bestowed a blessing or a curse, no one can say for sure. The man continues to travel the land, never stopping long enough for his past to catch up with him. One thing is certain; those who wish to harm him fall as swiftly and as surely as if they had thrown themselves on their own blades.

Does the man choose to end these lives? Or do these lives choose to end themselves upon his blade? He would not harm them if they had not sought to harm him first. Are their deaths therefore self inflicted? Is there room for good or evil or morality when a person is not truly free to act in accordance with their will? These questions I cannot answer with any certainty, but I warn each of you as a friend, I know this man?s story to be true.
? Marcus paused for a second before looking up, tracks of his tears visible against the dirt that had covered his face. ?His name is Marcus and he sits with you now, on the wayside.?
 

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A heavy silence fell over the camp as Marcus uttered his final line, broken only by the crackling of the fire and the distant sound of the wind rustling through the trees. Darren was the first to speak, but in a quieter voice than usual.

"I... I'm sorry" he said simply and put his hand on Marcus's shoulder "I don't agree with what you said after Sharrow's story, but now I can see why you reject faith so vividly. While I envy a power such as yours, to lose the ones you love is far too steep a price to pay. I'm sure I would go crazy if anything happened to my parents, or to my little sisters. Out of interest since you never said either way... are you glad of your ability?"
 

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The Host frowned solemnly after Marcus had finished. He remembered the tragedy at Hark's Bay, had even encountered some of the people involved in that dreadful night. He chewed the end of his pipe thoughtfully, marvelling at Marcus's role in the affair.

As the knight patted Marcus in comfort, The Host leant forward eagerly, interest piqued. "More importantly," The Host interjected, "are you glad of your life?" he paused momentarily before explaining his question. "Are you glad that death did not provide the numbing embrace you wished for? Is your soul at peace with the fact that you are alive and your family are dead?"