One Million Moms Fights Gay Superheroes

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Do they have one milion members yet?

They currently have 3. But they are recruiting!

 

[Mysterious Druid]

One million mothers versus a team of gay superheores? I'd watch the hell out of that movie.

 

[Skeleon]

Good to hear there probably won't be any change in plans then. The only sad thing is that these few moms will then shelter their kids even more controllingly, I feel sorry for those children.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Tomorrow's headline: "DC to OMM: 'Thanks for the free publicity, retards.'"

I'm sure that at some point in my life, I've heard of things far dumber than OMG TEH GAYS ARE RECRUITING, but right now I can't think of any. Also, there aren't actually one million of these idiots, and judging from the way the statistics are trending, there never will be.

EDIT: Hang on...

DC originally intended to make its first openly gay superhero a brand-new character, but then reevaluated its position and decided to simply use the DC universe "reboot" to reintroduce one of its existing characters as gay.

I thought they did that before the reboot. You know, Batwoman.

 

[UltraXan]

*facepalm*
Ok, I'm an Atheist, I'm for everyone's rights, no matter what your gender or sexual orientation is, and it's stuff like that that makes me actively hate religion. So to OMM, I only have this to say: FUCK. OFF.

Also, I saw this comment on YouTube. I'm sure people will get a kick out of it here:

"Religion is like a penis. It?s fine to have one. It?s fine to be proud of it. But please don?t whip it out in public and start waving it around, and PLEASE don?t try to shove it down my children?s throats."

 

[Jesus Phish]

I feel that if I was a child of a mother who was in OMM, that my intelligence was greatly insulted that my own mother would think a comic book could make me become gay because Batman or The Flash outed themselves as gay.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Tomorrow's headline: "DC to OMM: 'Thanks for the free publicity, retards.'"

Not actually DC, but Dan Slott (Current writer of Amazing Spider-Man) tweeted:

"Dear @1milmoms, thank you for the boycotts. They increase sales as people buy extra copies to spite you. PLEASE boycott my book too."

Which is exactly why batman would actually be the perfect gay man. He uses his access to money and fast women to never stop thinking about his sexual identity, which leads to an endless string of 'beards'.

Batman only works when he's in the closet. [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/28/batman-gay-character-relies-denial]

Anyway, I hear rumours it will be Alan Scott, which is pretty disappointing firstly because they've already done a coming out story based around his family (his son Obsidian), and because he's hardly what you'd call "iconic" these days. Though I've also heard speculation that it'll be Cyborg, who is even less iconic, even if he is now apparently a founding member of the rebooted JLA. (Remember, speculators, that this is going to be a character that hasn't appeared in the rebooted DC yet).

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

Why do we let bigots breed again?

No, seriously...

Because you can't expect folks who are stupid enough to complain about this sort of stuff to be smart enough to know how to use contraception.

Even though I feel the revelation of a gay super-hero sounds like a attempt to get attention rather than an actual attempt to do something interesting with one of the characters, I still hope DC responds in a similar way to the Archie guys.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Anyway, I hear rumours it will be Alan Scott, which is pretty disappointing firstly because they've already done a coming out story based around his family (his son Obsidian), and because he's hardly what you'd call "iconic" these days. Though I've also heard speculation that it'll be Cyborg, who is even less iconic, even if he is now apparently a founding member of the rebooted JLA. (Remember, speculators, that this is going to be a character that hasn't appeared in the rebooted DC yet).

Yeah, that would be kind of a letdown. Doesn't seem worth all the press, either. "Hey, guys! One of these two characters that no non-comic book reader has ever heard of is gay! Coverage, please!"

 

[Kuroneko97]

The thought that went through my mind:

"Hm, would it really be a bad thing to portray gay men as being powerful and strong? Because it seems most people view gay men as flamboyant and feminine."

The only difference with a gay superhero would be that he happens to love men instead of women, or a female loving other women instead of men. (S)he'd still be awesome as hell and promote generally good messages, right?

But listen to me and my logic. *laugh*

 

[kwydjebo]

Haven't looked through all this thread so if this has already been said I am sorry but...

Someone needs to explain a few things to the moms.
1) Unless something has drastically changed in x-men in the last 10 years (From the last time I kept up with the major storylines) noone sees NorthStar as an awesome dude they want to be like, or even read about. The few times I saw his character in the past, he was pretty boring, in fact the only comic appearance I recall of him was an appearance at Rick Jones`Wedding when he was hanging with Hector (From the Pantheon) who was also openly gay (this was mid 90s) which was a 1 panel throwaway `Hey look who he`s talking with`.

2) If Marvel really wanted to influence the kids, Spidey, Wolverine or Hulk would be the ways to go.

3) Gay characters don't make kids gay.



Don`t know who the DC hero is, but interesting the article writer pegged the Flash as the most recent issue had a gay supporting character complaining that his partner is ashamed to aknowledge him publicly. (Although it may have been a cop/reformed villain thing as opposed to a "I don't want fellow cops to know I'm gay")
My only problem with the Flash going gay is (And no idea how the reboot affects this) he is supposed to become grandfather of Bart Allen (AKA Current kid Flash/Impules) so will this erase Bart from his role in Teen titams?

Personally looking at the big DC names, I'd say:
Superman - No, he's got enough issues as an illegal immigrant that I don't think DC wants to draw too much attention to him (Wait till the Birthers get tired of Obama and start looking at this guy...he's put a good American like Capt. Marvel out of work)
Also he's pretty iconic and the controversy of making him gay might not be the kind of press they'd be willing to risk...

Batman - Same thing about controversy, also, story wise, Bruce seems way to obsessed with his war on crime to make this a significant change. Although it does shine a whole new light on his hanging out in a cave, wearing tights, with underaged boys that a lot of critics will have a field day with. And didn't Grant Morrison just say he thought the charater was gay.

Green Lantern - Which one? I count 4...5 if we include Sinestro (Technically what 6400 GLs in the corps) since he's wearing the ring again. So a lot of ways to "Present a major gay character" without tapping Hal Jordan.

Flash - Mentioned above. Personally I liked Wally West Flash better than Barry Allen, but what ya gonna do?

Wonder Woman - Gay/Lesbian. She grew up on an island where men were NOT allowed and all the women were very healthy and athletic and... this one is practically all done. Gay or even bi...gee I wonder if there are any fan fic stories about this possibility? Let me check a google search..... Hey there are a few....thousand

Beyond this we start getting into more obscure (to mainstream public) characters, The Atom, Cyborg, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow (If so then he is SO TOTALLY overcompensating...plus with a new show coming out...UNLESS He's gay in the show...I can hear Rush Limbaugh now "Remember kids, alone on a deserted island for years, you can then become a world class archer, and GAY"), so if they try and tell us that their Iconic Hero "Booster Gold" is gay I will be pretty annoyed with their definition of Iconic.

Anyways, to sum up, gay heroes don't offend me. Social commentary in a story is fine. Sensational crap to try and whip up controversy and increase sales does however.

 

[iRevanchist]

Is it just me or will 2012 be viewed as the start of the gay rights movement in twenty years?

 

[Captain Anon]

if it's aqua-man i so called it

 

[Char-Nobyl]

DC Comics announced [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117375-DC-Says-One-Of-Its-Iconic-Heroes-Is-Gay] earlier this week that one of its "iconic" superheroes is gay. Which one? That won't be revealed until sometime in June (my money's on Flash), which gives the One Million Moms, a conservative Christian activist group formed by the American Family Association, some time to do its worst to put the brakes on the whole thing.

Oh no. Heaven forbid they cause a repeat of that whole 'Archie' incident...and cause record sales of the comic they tried to stop while simultaneously triggering one of the most united curbstomps against their group in internet history.

"Parents may have been able to avoid a new character since it would not be one many children have grown to admire," the group wrote on its website [http://www.onemillionmoms.com/IssueDetail.asp?id=456]. But now, a superhero that kids have grown up with will suddenly have the gay. "Who will they choose; Batman, Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Plastic Man, or another one of their characters that children look up to?"

First point: it's hilarious that they imply that they wouldn't care if it was a 'new' superhero. I guess it's because they're one of those organizations who tries to dodge hate-group label by saying, "Hey, we don't hate gays. We just don't want them to show their filthy, gay faces in our presence. Ever."

Second point: oh, God, they mentioned Plastic Man as the fifth most prominent DC superhero. Sorry, Aquaman. One Million Moms doesn't care if you turn out to be gay. In fact, they'd probably encourage it. "Just remember, Timmy: if you're gay, you'll be just like Aquaman."

Third point: I guess they also assume that it won't be J'onn J'onzz, because it'd be a pretty bold move for DC to make someone nicknamed 'The Martian Manhunter' gay.

And that's not all! In an even "more shocking" twist, Marvel superhero Northstar, who came out in the mid-90s while still a member of Alpha Flight, recently married his man. "Children desire to be just like superheroes. Children mimic superhero actions and even dress up in costumes to resemble these characters as much as possible," they said. "Can you imagine little boys saying, 'I want a boyfriend or husband like X-Men?'"

That's less-valid a fear than worrying that kids will want to emulate Batman by shooting their parents.

"This is ridiculous! Why do adult gay men need comic superheroes as role models? They don't but do want to indoctrate [sic] impressionable young minds by placing these gay characters on pedestals in a positive light," they continued. "These companies are heavily influencing our youth by using children's superheroes to desensitize and brainwash them in thinking that a gay lifestyle choice is normal and desirable."

Ah, yes. Heaven forbid that children see homosexuals in any light except what you say they are.

In response, One Million Moms is calling upon its membership - which is substantially less than one million, by the way - to email both DC and Marvel "urging them to change and cancel all plans of homosexual superhero characters immediately." Unfortunately for the Moms, it's too late to do anything about Northstar, as his wedding went down a couple days ago in Astonishing X-Men issue 50, but there's still hope for Flash! (Or, you know, whoever.)

Non-comic fans demanding that changes be made in comic books? It's just crazy enough to work!

The whole thing is beyond odious, and the suggestion that exposure to gay superheroes could somehow "indoctrinate" children into homosexuality betrays a stunning level of ignorance, fear and even hatred.

Well, yeah. They're clearly paranoid that their children (if they even have any) are going to see some sort of media that depicts homosexuals as something other than limp-wristed wusses or Hard Gay-esque rape dynamos. Their entire plan revolves around beating kids over the head with those stereotypes before they can actually experience the world for themselves.

 

[bat32391]

Oh look a bunch of homophobic pieces of crap spewing out a bunch of horseshit, how wonderful.
Why do people like this even exist and why are they allowed to scream this shit in the streets and not face any repercussions for it? I wished they would all go die in a hole.

Anyway my money is on Aqua Man.

 

[Lugbzurg]

Guys, I cannot express how ignorant you are. You honestly think that stuff like this doesn't influence kids?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57441370-71/marvel-creates-superhero-for-boy-with-hearing-aid/
Children mimic what they see. Just because something being in the right or wrong is clear to you, doesn't mean children will see things the same way. Heck, even people your age will copy and adore something just because they think it's cool. That's why we still have people pumping toxic chemicals into their lungs. Because, they think it's cool. Then, they're stuck with it and can't leave it behind.

No, were not ignorant, it is just nothing wrong with being gay.

No, what I meant was that a lot of people here think that kids won't try to copy what they see their favorite heroes doing. Kids copy what they see. All the time.

 

[theultimateend]

Somewhat OT: A lot of people seem to be blaming this on religiousness. Please don't, religion is not the same as extremism. Some of us Christians are actually good people.

NAW-AW! CLEARLY religion is the source of all the world's war and evil and therefore we must have a giant war so we can kill all the religious people. [/sarcasm]

The problem actually stems from the belief that any religion is larger than the group speaking at any given moment.

There are as many types of christianity as their are christians. Same with any other faith. It's the false size bias that really gives organized religion its power, which is where the danger stems.

By your own logic, Christianity isn't an "organized religion", the different sects of Christianity are. So really, it's the lobbying groups that supposedly represent multiple religions and sects that present the threat.

The false size bias is a general problem for any group, not just religious groups. The vocal minority are almost always more radical than the silent majority. The same thing goes for liberals. I'm willing to bet that many democrats don't really care all that much about gay-marriage or affirmative action so much as they see republicans as a bunch of war-mongering crooks who want to deregulate everything so their corporate buddies can ransack America. When there are multiple issues at stake, you cannot assume that Americans support all the issues that a candidate supports just because they vote for them.

At any rate, I'm not sure a false size bias is that much of a threat unless the vocal minority actually gets into power. And the only way the vocal minority gets into power is if the majority is either self-destructively apathetic or downright complicit (at which point the "minority" isn't really a minority). So really they can only have as much power as you let them. (In a democracy, of course.) However, the game changes if the minority has money. When you have money size doesn't matter all that much.

It certainly is not limited to faiths, it is the same destructive force that stands behind political parties.

But yes, for the most part the larger a group gets the less likely that group is real.

In that, two people likely share tons of similarities, four people maybe less than that by a factor of 2, and so on.

So you start with say 1:1 similarities, then you have 2:1, and 4:1 and so on. With the first number being the amount of things the group says it believes in, and the amount you actually identify with.

Once you get to the size of a major global religion the average person has probably not even read the rulebook. They just hear a couple things out of thousands of things that they like and put in their support.

That's where lots of fighting breaks out, people get attached to those few things they like and when it is challenged they either break off and establish their own version of that group or they defend the whole even when it doesn't actually benefit them in any way.

Yep...captcha understands. Most people desire to fit in because that creates comfort, so we work extra hard for homogeneity.

Oh look a bunch of homophobic pieces of crap spewing out a bunch of horseshit, how wonderful.
Why do people like this even exist and why are they allowed to scream this shit in the streets and not face any repercussions for it? I wished they would all go die in a hole.

Anyway my money is on Aqua Man.

Mostly because of what I and the person who quoted me have said. False size bias. Their name is almost too perfect an example.

No, what I meant was that a lot of people here think that kids won't try to copy what they see their favorite heroes doing. Kids copy what they see. All the time.

Apples and Oranges.

Character traits and fundamental biology are not the same.

Similarly, while I might love the joker, and have since a child, I've not once murdered anyone.

The idea that people would 'be gay' by seeing a gay superhero is moronic, and that's the only thing that could be implied and still be relevant to this topic.

If you DIDN'T intentionally mean that, then woops, but that's what was directly implied and it is as silly as ideas come.