One Million Moms Fights Gay Superheroes

[piinyouri]

Dear One Million Moms,

Also get a life. This has got to be intruding on your weekly gossip and book club meetings right?

 

[idodo35]

well there we go again
go grab your crazy caps everybody! (or capes in this matter)
also i doubt it will be the flash (barry allen) he is an established hetrosexual...
(he was married at some point...)

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

To clarify, I used "have the gay." Ironically, I might add. I just don't have it in me to play it straight when I write about this kind of stupid.

And yes, OMM are homophobes, but in the same way that Islamic fundamentalists are homophobes: It's not the illness, but a symptom. They're slaves to their religious dogma. Giving up homophobia means giving up on their most deeply-rooted core beliefs, something they were probably raised with from earliest childhood. That's a big step.

Spoiler: Your going to need this

OT: Dear religious people, how is this going to effect your life?

At all?

Do you read comics? Will god throw you down to the pits of Hell if you don't prevent this?

DC comic's has already broken so many other of the Bible's rules (the New Gods I think breaks God's institence to not pray to false idols and he is the only god), why are they so worried about this one?

 

[Matt King]

on behalf of Christianity i apologize for these close minded assholes

 

[downsyndromechimp]

Who said it was?

You just did. Let me show you.

See the problem here is that their standpoint is just flatout wrong.

See.

Now, I'm not going to get into the nature vs nurture debate right now. Let's save that for another time and, if at all possible, a venue more appropriate than a gaming website.

It's called hyperbole, look it up sometime.

Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration to make a point. The phrase "I hate these people" doesn't attempt to make a point, nor do I believe it was meant as an exaggeration.

That being said, I'm getting the sense from your post that you at least have the ability to take my challenge and show a logical argument to back up your views. Take a minute, think it through, and try again.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

When did "family" become a euphemism for "uptight conservative killjoys"?

You forget, 1 Million Mothers has about 40 thousand members... They arent really that threatening and I almost think they should be forced to change their name.

Soooooooo, their name should really be "Roughly 40,000 Ignorant Religious Retards"? Gotcha. Me likey. Someone should also point out to them how many people religion has killed versus how many people homosexuals have killed. Just as an icebreaker.

No one likes these people. Not even Bill O'Riley. And that's saying something.

Until he gets paid to say something nice about them. Then falafel boy will sing nothing but praises about them. FOX will do that if it suits their purposes, guaranteed.

 

[downsyndromechimp]

Also, trollpwner: I never said anything about morals, biblical preferences, or that I agree with OMM. For the record, I don't. I'm just waiting (or praying, if you will) that someone will find and post a logical argument in favor of their position.

Honestly, I don't think I'm asking too much here.

 

[rob_simple]

I can't even get angry about something like this because they are just wrong, plain and simple.

 

[Risingblade]

I'm honestly surprised these people let their children read comics.

 

[Mr. Omega]

After reading through about half of the replies, I'm reminded why I am a conservative instead of a liberal. I use logic.

My problem here isn't that I think the group against a gay comic character is right. It's just that out of the forty-some-odd replies I read which had all decried their intentions, not one could come up with a logical argument as to WHY the opposing side is wrong.

And, NO, the phrase "it's wrong because it's wrong!" is not a logical argument.

You see, from the standpoint of One Million Moms, homosexuality is a choice. If this is what you believe, then the logical assumption would be that exposure to homosexuality at a young age COULD have an impact on any sexual decision that person would make later on in life.
(not that I agree with that...)

But, all I see from the rest of you is "Why do we let them breed?" and "I hate people like that!"

So please, PLEASE, someone with an IQ above 70:
Take this as the challenge it is meant to be and form a cogent argument in favor of your position.

Or don't. Potheads.

I'll just go over a couple minor points since others have done so much better on the major points:

- This group is rallying for censorship of a work of art because another piece of literature tells them that homosexuality is wrong. As a conservative, who ideally should believe in the rights of expression and the rights of the individual, you should respect DC and Marvel's right to portray those characters in any way they choose and stand against those who would seek to censor it. Except modern-day American mainstream conservatism isn't actually conservatism: it's moral watchdog nanny-state theocrats.

- You have never heard of the word 'hypocrisy', have you? Considering you condemn people for insulting people and yet refer to those who disagree with you as "potheads" and "having a less than 70 IQ".

 

[blalien]

And my parents still wonder why i hate religious people.

Not all religious people are narrowminded ninnys.

While true, it would be nice for some of them to step up and say NOT COOL while all of these hate groups are speaking.

The percentage of Americans who are atheist ranges from 1% to 16%, depending on how you define atheism. If religious people weren't speaking out against homophobia, you would hearing very few pro-gay messages in the media and in public. Instead, for the first time ever, the majority of Americans are in favor of gay marriage. Most people who are supporting gay rights do not feel the need to simultaneously advertise their religion while doing so.

 

[Muspelheim]

Also, trollpwner: I never said anything about morals, biblical preferences, or that I agree with OMM. For the record, I don't. I'm just waiting (or praying, if you will) that someone will find and post a logical argument in favor of their position.

Honestly, I don't think I'm asking too much here.

Suppose "Perpetuating an idiotic outdated norm which leads to the unneccesary suffering of thousands who have done nothing but not conforming to said norm" isn't good enough, is it? Another reason I despise the OMM is that they evidently refuse to think independently of these norms. Challenging the notion that deviating sexualities are by definition wrong and is a choice that can be spread by exposure is evidently too much work for them to strain their heads with.

A third reason to despise them, which I've already touched upon, is this. They value the appearance of conformity to idiotic outdated norms (ION?) and the facade of a wholesome, traditional life higher than the well being, and sometimes survival, of other human beings. Sometimes their own children. It is, for lack of a more diplomatic word, disgusting.

on behalf of Christianity i apologize for these close minded assholes

Nae worries. I for one know there's lots of decent christians out there. The bronze age fetishist trying to push their outdated and cruel order doesn't speak for all christians. I just wish that was more common knowledge.

 

[Woodsey]

When did "family" become a euphemism for "uptight conservative killjoys"?

Probably about the same time "land of the free" began to mean "heterosexual white guys only". Or as I like to call it, "a long fucking time ago".

If this is what you believe, then the logical assumption would be that exposure to homosexuality at a young age COULD have an impact on any sexual decision that person would make later on in life.
(not that I agree with that...)

So please, PLEASE, someone with an IQ above 70:
Take this as the challenge it is meant to be and form a cogent argument in favor of your position.

The logical extension of a baseless argument does not a good argument make.

As for a response to their argument: people shouldn't be discriminated against because they're different or over things they cannot control, especially when those things do fuck all harm to anyone else. Their reaction will only echo amongst their children, and then their children will continue the same inane and socially-fragmenting arguments that their dogmatic parents make.



OT: I am quickly becoming desensitised to these retards. Although I do hope we hear about the 20,000-30,000 gay children of the One Million Moms when they eventually come out.

 

[Naeras]

And, NO, the phrase "it's wrong because it's wrong!" is not a logical argument.

But it is wrong. Sexuality isn't a choice. Never has been, never will be. Thus OMM are fundamentally wrong here and there shouldn't be any discussion, but okay, I'll take the bait.

What's true here is that while sexuality isn't a choice, living out that sexuality is a choice, two very simple facts OMM simply can't grasp for reasons I can't fathom. General acceptance towards homosexuality might make it easier to make that choice, and thus "make their kids gay". Retarded and flawed logic, but hey, you know how certain american christian fundies tend to be. Thus, this whole case.

Here's the thing, though: that kind of choice is a choice nobody else has any business with whatsoever. No, don't try to argue, because it's not. The US is supposed to be a free fucking country, and anyone meddling in how you attain happiness, especially if it makes someone else(your gay partner) happy in the process, is either a massive asshole or completely psychotic. And that's exactly what OMM are doing: trying to "protect their children from thinking its okay to be gay" will only serve to make the straight ones homophobes and to make the gay ones depressed, which last I checked is a good way to be a horrible parent.

There, a non-conservative used logic. How amazing.

 

[lord.jeff]

I'd be more worried about kids mimicking the punching and swinging from rooftops then I would about them turning gay.

 

[The Great JT]

And people wonder why I hate people.

 

[downsyndromechimp]

This group is rallying for censorship of a work of art because another piece of literature tells them that homosexuality is wrong. As a conservative, who ideally should believe in the rights of expression and the rights of the individual, you should respect DC and Marvel's right to portray those characters in any way they choose and stand against those who would seek to censor it. Except modern-day American mainstream conservatism isn't actually conservatism: it's moral watchdog nanny-state theocrats.

Thank you! That's exactly the kind of coherent, logical argument people should be making. Thank you for that.

You have never heard of the word 'hypocrisy', have you? Considering you condemn people for insulting people and yet refer to those who disagree with you as "potheads" and "having a less than 70 IQ".

This one was entirely my fault. The purpose of those jabs on my part was just to rile up the readers of it in hopes that they'd rise to the challenge as you have. I had hoped that adding the little at the end was enough to show that, but I was wrong. I never intended to actually insult anyone here and if you took my statements as such, I apologize.

 

[Aprilgold]

I wonder who it could be *looks at guy with blue and red FABULOUS tights* . But seriously its these fundamentalist busy body moms like these who give Christianity a ba-......worse name.

Thank you for saying this sir, and I agree.

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Its one million moms. Their all about crotch-blocking the idea of Homosexuality as normal.

The only thing I didn't like about how this was written was this part.

"that took the situation from uncomfortable to intolerable."

I just don't get how this was uncomfortable for either this community or the writer, but its one of those things, YOU REPORT NEWS, NOT EMOTIONS! Of course the wittiness at the end was spectacular in wittiness.

Its one of two things that they are trying to block this time.
1) They think that Homosexuality is some type of thing that you can catch by being around things related to being gay, which isn't true or
2) They think that having a child look up to Super Gay-Man like he looks up to Super Man would mean that gay people are equal to hetero people, which is for the general better.