One Million Moms Want Same-Sex Archie Comic Out of Toys 'R' Us

[Vausch]

This always confuses me about these situations. I remember reading a book called "Bad Kitty's Christmas" (shut up, I don't care if they're for kids, they're funny) and I was looking at reviews on Amazon and it had a 1 star review from a woman that said she didn't like it because they said Kitty's neighbours were lesbians and she didn't want to have to explain gay sex to her child or expose them to such horrors at that age.

Now that's the problem: little kids don't know about sex. To them, mommy and daddy made a wish and the kid was born because of that or something, usually you don't tell them about that until they're 10 or 11 or whenever they ask. Kid asks "What's gay?", you say "It means they love each other the way mommy and daddy do", nothing else! Sure, inquisitive kids might ask more questions but there are tactful ways to explain their relationships to them beyond "well little Timmy, our neighbours like to (insert acts that would get me banned if I typed them out) while they (more acts) and then when they want a child they (adopt/surrogate/get a donor)".

Seriously One Million Moms, get over it. Gay people exist, you can't shelter your kids from that for very long unless you want them to grow up in a household raised on fear and denial.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

And they can, buy not taking them to Toys R Us, not taking them in the check out lines with the comic in it, or any number of other simple fixes, but they do not have the right to deprive my kids of something that they find offensive.

Nobody is "depriving" you of anything, but why does your opinion have more value to it then mine? I don't like something, but I just have to deal with it, but if the tables are turned, now I'm "depriving" you of something? Hypocritical much?

And before you or anyone else tries to bring in an argument relating this to porn, or other over the top subjects, they are completely different situations.

I didn't bring up the subject, but now that you have, why is this different? I realize its not the same thing as them seeing porn, but what if I don't agree that this is a subject I want young children to be exposed to? How is this different from that? While porn and homosexual marriage are not the same thing, they are two subjects that I don't think young children should be exposed to.

Seeing two people in sexual acts is something that the kid has not been exposed to, and exposing them to it in the wrong way can alter their perception of the act, whereas two men getting married is the same exact thing as a male and a female getting married, and can be explained the same way that you explained your own marriage. And if you have never talked to your kid about marriage, or they don't know what marriage is then the cover won't bring up any questions because there would be nothing strange about it.

Again, what about those of us that don't think homosexual marriage is the same thing as heterosexual marriage? Why should we have children's material deal with this subject if we don't want to have them exposed to it?

To put it very simple: Your opinion is of exactly equal worth as another persons. But since there aren't a lot of you (or enough of you), it matters LESS. That's how our democracy works.

My point still stands about the "depriving" comment.

No, it doesn't. We live in a capitalistic system. Peoples right to express an opinion does not equal their right to censure a private-owned corporation. You can't say "My opinion is that X-business is bad, and thus, I want it removed/censured/shut down" unless there is enough of you to either A: Get a law passed, or B: Make a capitalistic pressure (i.e voting with your wallets) large enough to get the corp to change their mind.
So, good luck.

Yes it does, the depriving comment is hypocritical and that is what I was pointing out.

I'm sorry, how is it hypocritical? If you refer to "Well, Porn isn't allowed!", well, that's because we got laws that say "No, you can't have that". There is no law against displaying two men getting married in a way that children can see it. There is one against displaying pornographic material, though.

Okey, well, actually, when I think about it, there isn't one (as far as I know) that is against displaying racist material to children. So go ahead. If you wanna print up a neo-nazi comic and manage to get Toys R Us to shelve it, I will support your right. Then me and pretty much everyone else will get it removed by appealing to standards of decency.

What, you think gay-marriage isn't "decent standard"? Fair enough. Too bad most people are changing their views now. I.e: Your standards are shit out of luck.

I never said it wasn't "decent", so cut with the strawman.

If anything, it's controversial.

Would you like to know what else was once controversial? The appearance of a black man as an astronaut in the comic "Judgement Day". [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrayal_of_black_people_in_comics#1956:_Comics_Code_Authority_tries_to_censor_.22Judgment_Day.22] The reprint of the comic was protested by the Comics Code Authority administrator and came close to being censored. (On a side note, this event is what led to the foundation of Mad Magazine, which has infuriated parents' groups for decades.) I guess they shouldn't have run it since it was "controversial" back in 1953, hm? Wouldn't want to force little white kids to deal with the idea of a black man going to space and being a representative of his species.

Or, hey, you know, these busybody parents could spent more time monitoring their kids and less time trying to dictate what anyone can do, say or sell. A man can dream....

I agree that parents should take more interest in what kids view, and one way they can do that is by contacting the comic company

 

[Zer_]

Allow me to summarize every comment in this thread.

One Million Moms can go fuck themselves!

 

[Tsaba]

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The funny part is... The Military doesn't recognize the marriage, so technically, according to the Military, he's single and won't collect BAH, BAS, and be authorized housing for being married..... and sodomy is against Military Regulations as a unauthorized sex position I kid you not, but, it's not like they will be looking in your window or stalk you go after work.

OT.... who cares? It's a comic, if they want to boost sales or kill their fan base, let them.

 

[2fish]

As a straight male this infuriates me. Why do mom?s get to make up numbers and exaggerate their number of members? Then as a white male I am forced to back up my claims of membership with truth? The 1,000,000 2fishes will take forever at this rate.

I find this issue funny.
Q: How do I explain gay people to my kid?
A: the same way you explain those sounds the kid heard when you were having sex.
The when people love each other speech. The kid doesn?t have the experience to understand gay vs straight.


Once this pointless debate is over what will we decide to hate next? We have already sent the hate train at women, African Americans, and are currently working on gay people.

I want to see clowns. If we let clowns marry...the next thing you know we will have men breeding with fish.

 

[SnakeoilSage]

Gay marriage is nothing. Get kids off freakin' cellphones until they're 18.

 

[theheroofaction]

Allow me to summarize every comment in this thread.

One Million Moms can go fuck themselves!

No, see, if they fucked themselves they would also be gay, and that's what they're against.

Bad jokes aside, I think it says something about society that my biggest revelation upon reading this is "TRU sells comics."

 

[Draconalis]

[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-02-17]

I haven't followed that comic in forever... is that the copy? Or is that the guy that can turn into a girl?

 

[Tuesday Night Fever]

So it's totally cool for boys to get little toy soldiers from Toys 'R' Us and have fun pretending that they're killing each other... and it's totally cool for girls to get little toy home appliances from Toys 'R' Us and have fun pretending they're housewives or maids... and the "One Million Moms" don't see a single thing wrong with that?

They don't think that the horrors of warfare and the bonds of gender roles are maybe more important subjects to sit down and have a talk with their kids about than a loving relationship?

What the hell is wrong with this country?

 

[octafish]

I'm a little disappointed the comic isn't about Jughead coming out. He and Reggie have a similar frisson to Maddie and David in Moonlighting.

 

[Thyunda]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

And they can, buy not taking them to Toys R Us, not taking them in the check out lines with the comic in it, or any number of other simple fixes, but they do not have the right to deprive my kids of something that they find offensive.

Nobody is "depriving" you of anything, but why does your opinion have more value to it then mine? I don't like something, but I just have to deal with it, but if the tables are turned, now I'm "depriving" you of something? Hypocritical much?

And before you or anyone else tries to bring in an argument relating this to porn, or other over the top subjects, they are completely different situations.

I didn't bring up the subject, but now that you have, why is this different? I realize its not the same thing as them seeing porn, but what if I don't agree that this is a subject I want young children to be exposed to? How is this different from that? While porn and homosexual marriage are not the same thing, they are two subjects that I don't think young children should be exposed to.

Seeing two people in sexual acts is something that the kid has not been exposed to, and exposing them to it in the wrong way can alter their perception of the act, whereas two men getting married is the same exact thing as a male and a female getting married, and can be explained the same way that you explained your own marriage. And if you have never talked to your kid about marriage, or they don't know what marriage is then the cover won't bring up any questions because there would be nothing strange about it.

Again, what about those of us that don't think homosexual marriage is the same thing as heterosexual marriage? Why should we have children's material deal with this subject if we don't want to have them exposed to it?

To put it very simple: Your opinion is of exactly equal worth as another persons. But since there aren't a lot of you (or enough of you), it matters LESS. That's how our democracy works.

My point still stands about the "depriving" comment.

No, it doesn't. We live in a capitalistic system. Peoples right to express an opinion does not equal their right to censure a private-owned corporation. You can't say "My opinion is that X-business is bad, and thus, I want it removed/censured/shut down" unless there is enough of you to either A: Get a law passed, or B: Make a capitalistic pressure (i.e voting with your wallets) large enough to get the corp to change their mind.
So, good luck.

Yes it does, the depriving comment is hypocritical and that is what I was pointing out.

I'm sorry, how is it hypocritical? If you refer to "Well, Porn isn't allowed!", well, that's because we got laws that say "No, you can't have that". There is no law against displaying two men getting married in a way that children can see it. There is one against displaying pornographic material, though.

Okey, well, actually, when I think about it, there isn't one (as far as I know) that is against displaying racist material to children. So go ahead. If you wanna print up a neo-nazi comic and manage to get Toys R Us to shelve it, I will support your right. Then me and pretty much everyone else will get it removed by appealing to standards of decency.

What, you think gay-marriage isn't "decent standard"? Fair enough. Too bad most people are changing their views now. I.e: Your standards are shit out of luck.

I never said it wasn't "decent", so cut with the strawman.

If anything, it's controversial.

Would you like to know what else was once controversial? The appearance of a black man as an astronaut in the comic "Judgement Day". [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrayal_of_black_people_in_comics#1956:_Comics_Code_Authority_tries_to_censor_.22Judgment_Day.22] The reprint of the comic was protested by the Comics Code Authority administrator and came close to being censored. (On a side note, this event is what led to the foundation of Mad Magazine, which has infuriated parents' groups for decades.) I guess they shouldn't have run it since it was "controversial" back in 1953, hm? Wouldn't want to force little white kids to deal with the idea of a black man going to space and being a representative of his species.

Or, hey, you know, these busybody parents could spent more time monitoring their kids and less time trying to dictate what anyone can do, say or sell. A man can dream....

I agree that parents should take more interest in what kids view, and one way they can do that is by contacting the comic company

Or they could just not buy their kids comics they don't agree with? I suppose we ought to prevent interracial marriages appearing too, since some people think they're wrong. Hmm. Islam can pose a bit of a danger to little white Christian Americans, so maybe we should prevent dark-skinned characters appearing in comic books unless they're the bad guys.

Look. The point is simple. Just because you have an opinion on a certain subject, does not mean that you have the right to force everybody else to follow that opinion. There is a world outside their narrow-minded views, and the only way their kids are gonna grow up properly is if they get to see it. Clearly these 'One Million Moms' are uncomfortable with their kid seeing this stuff because it goes against their...religion...I suppose? I don't even know why they're so against it.
But then - if they didn't see it, they'd grow up to be good little bigots like their mothers. Which is exactly what they want.

 

[Callate]

Until they find another issue besides trying to force retailers to kowtow to their rampant homophobia, calling themselves "One Million Moms" is going to be a misnomer in so many ways...

 

[Draconalis]

No it's not, because by that logic the opinion of Hitler, the SS and the entire Nazi party was just as valid as the people they murdered. If your opinion is based on ignorance then it is wrong. Plain and simple.

yes it does mean that their not wrong, because their opinion is just as valid as anybody else.

Their opinion is valid but they're still wrong.

And to anyone else I've missed

Opinions cannot be valid. Validity is cemented in facts, and opinions are the antithesis of facts.

And more directly to Volf. Opinions are beliefs, and beliefs CAN be wrong.

I can believe that the moon is made of cheese all I like... but it will never be true.

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

"We're sorry the American Family Association/OneMillionMoms.com feels so negatively about our product, but they have every right to their opinion, just like we have the right to stand by ours. Kevin Keller will forever be a part of Riverdale, and he will live a happy, long life free of prejudice, hate and narrow-minded people."

Well done sir, well done.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Oh no! Archie Comics are commenting on a current issue in a mature way! This really shouldn't be a problem just because some people are too fucking lazy or dense to explain to their kids that some men love other men.

 

[WanderingFool]

You know, I think its the ingrained image of the ideal "nuclear family" from back in the 50s that these people seem to want to keep around. Not saying its a bad thing, but come on. This isnt the 50s, worlds changing everyday, and trying to keep such ideas are going to only make those changes more painful as time wanes on.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I think this group should rename it self "One Million Morons."

 

[SomeBrianDude]

It makes me sad that people can be so narrow minded. Let's just hope they fail in passing their prejudices on to their children.
Also, I hate it when people insist that everyone should be deprived of material they find offensive. I'd wager that the number of mothers who object to this comic is dwarfed by those who don't.