One Million Moms Want Same-Sex Archie Comic Out of Toys 'R' Us

[dragonswarrior]

As I've said before, Riverdale is a safe, welcoming place that does not judge anyone. It's an idealized version of America that will hopefully become reality someday,"

This is our home. But make no mistake - America is not a country of peace and love. They say it's a wasteland, that it's dangerous, that only a fool would search for something of value here.
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So yea. Definitely love the Borderlands reference.

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Look, the bottom line is that the constitution has a big rule at the top about free speech covering the public areas, and that privately owned corporations can do/say/sell whatever they want so long as it doesn't violate safety laws.

Because when parents "limit" what their kids see in public spaces, they are limiting what EVERYONE sees in public spaces, and that's bullshit. And yes, that applies to EVERYTHING. I work in a bookstore, and some of the right wing propaganda crap I see every day makes me furious and disgusted. But I would never ask for it to be banned, because that's stupid. On so many levels. And if my kids had questions about it, I would assume that I would be a decent parent and talk to them about why such things were right or wrong or intelligent or stupid, rather than just telling them to shut up or whatever these lazy parents are doing.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

As I've said before, Riverdale is a safe, welcoming place that does not judge anyone. It's an idealized version of America that will hopefully become reality someday,"

This is our home. But make no mistake - America is not a country of peace and love. They say it's a wasteland, that it's dangerous, that only a fool would search for something of value here.
\

So yea. Definitely love the Borderlands reference.

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Look, the bottom line is that the constitution has a big rule at the top about free speech covering the public areas, and that privately owned corporations can do/say/sell whatever they want so long as it doesn't violate safety laws.

Because when parents "limit" what their kids see in public spaces, they are limiting what EVERYONE sees in public spaces, and that's bullshit. And yes, that applies to EVERYTHING. I work in a bookstore, and some of the right wing propaganda crap I see every day makes me furious and disgusted. But I would never ask for it to be banned, because that's stupid. On so many levels. And if my kids had questions about it, I would assume that I would be a decent parent and talk to them about why such things were right or wrong or intelligent or stupid, rather than just telling them to shut up or whatever these lazy parents are doing.

If you look earlier in this thread you will see that I retracted my comment about censorship

 

[Seydaman]

Go Toys 'R' Us for keeping their shit together.

Stuff like this, gives me hope for humanity.

 

[dragonswarrior]

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I apologize good sir. You did not deserve my vitriol.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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I apologize good sir. You did not deserve my vitriol.

no worries, alot of people seem to have missed it.

 

[DailonCmann]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

In public places? So if a parent doesn't want their child to see, say, the color green, they have the right to take everything that's green down? If you don't want your child to see it, don't go to the store where it is. The company can choose to stock whatever it feels will be the most profitable to it.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

In public places? So if a parent doesn't want their child to see, say, the color green, they have the right to take everything that's green down? If you don't want your child to see it, don't go to the store where it is. The company can choose to stock whatever it feels will be the most profitable to it.

Do me a favor and look at comment #162. smh

 

[Avatar Roku]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

In public places? So if a parent doesn't want their child to see, say, the color green, they have the right to take everything that's green down? If you don't want your child to see it, don't go to the store where it is. The company can choose to stock whatever it feels will be the most profitable to it.

I'm just going to leave this here...

As I've said before, Riverdale is a safe, welcoming place that does not judge anyone. It's an idealized version of America that will hopefully become reality someday,"

This is our home. But make no mistake - America is not a country of peace and love. They say it's a wasteland, that it's dangerous, that only a fool would search for something of value here.
\

So yea. Definitely love the Borderlands reference.

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Look, the bottom line is that the constitution has a big rule at the top about free speech covering the public areas, and that privately owned corporations can do/say/sell whatever they want so long as it doesn't violate safety laws.

Because when parents "limit" what their kids see in public spaces, they are limiting what EVERYONE sees in public spaces, and that's bullshit. And yes, that applies to EVERYTHING. I work in a bookstore, and some of the right wing propaganda crap I see every day makes me furious and disgusted. But I would never ask for it to be banned, because that's stupid. On so many levels. And if my kids had questions about it, I would assume that I would be a decent parent and talk to them about why such things were right or wrong or intelligent or stupid, rather than just telling them to shut up or whatever these lazy parents are doing.

If you look earlier in this thread you will see that I retracted my comment about censorship

EDIT: Whoops, Volf beat me to it.

 

[ThePS1Fan]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you can't keep your child away from something (even as ignorant and narrow minded as this) without is ceasing to exist you might want to reconsider being a parent, protecting (God I hate to call this that) your child is kinda what what your supposed to do.

Anyways, glad Jon Goldwater is not backing down on this.

 

[Otaku World Order]

Archie Comics co-CEO Jon Goldwater has, and in a pretty snappy fashion, too. "We stand by Life with Archie #16. As I've said before, Riverdale is a safe, welcoming place that does not judge anyone. It's an idealized version of America that will hopefully become reality someday," he said in a statement. "We're sorry the American Family Association/OneMillionMoms.com feels so negatively about our product, but they have every right to their opinion, just like we have the right to stand by ours. Kevin Keller will forever be a part of Riverdale, and he will live a happy, long life free of prejudice, hate and narrow-minded people."

Nicely put, sir.

Hell yeah!

First off, I haven't read an Archie comic in years, so I was damn impressed when I saw this thread. A same-sex marriage in Archie comices?! Awesome!

Better yet is the fact that the creator has spoken so eloquently about the issue. Good for him.

And, to One Million Moms, I say this: "Go fuck yourselves."

Actually my message to One Million Moms would be:

(I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this one lately.)

Seriously, just because you want to live in your own little June Cleaver fantasy bubble of a 1950's that never existed where there were no gays or minorities, fine, but stop acting like you have the right to force your narrow-minded bitchiness on the rest of us.

And to Mr. Goldwater, I salute you, good sir.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Well, then kids shouldn't be let outside, because whenever I walk down the street, I see promotions for violent movies/games/tv-shows/music or promotions for fashion/tv-shows/movies/music that appeal to sex, not to mention the commersials/shows that are on TV.
Or the news. Damn, the NEWS! Children shouldn't be allowed to watch the news.
Or read the news.
Or actually, go to school. Then you have to interact with other people, and they might you know, share information.

Edit: And more OT..What do these moms mean when they say "children shouldn't be bothered with what is hard to understand."? How hard IS it?
How about "Hey, some men love men, and some women love women, and they can get married too. It's about love."? Seems pretty simple to me.

I didn't say sheltered, just that parents should be able to control what subjects toy stores expose children to.

Yes, like let's cater to racists and not show interracial marriage. Oh wait a minute maybe we should avoid that example because it just goes to show that the only reason behind that kind of thinking is prejudice.

Follow DailonCmann's lead and refer to comment #162

 

[Avatar Roku]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Well, then kids shouldn't be let outside, because whenever I walk down the street, I see promotions for violent movies/games/tv-shows/music or promotions for fashion/tv-shows/movies/music that appeal to sex, not to mention the commersials/shows that are on TV.
Or the news. Damn, the NEWS! Children shouldn't be allowed to watch the news.
Or read the news.
Or actually, go to school. Then you have to interact with other people, and they might you know, share information.

Edit: And more OT..What do these moms mean when they say "children shouldn't be bothered with what is hard to understand."? How hard IS it?
How about "Hey, some men love men, and some women love women, and they can get married too. It's about love."? Seems pretty simple to me.

I didn't say sheltered, just that parents should be able to control what subjects toy stores expose children to.

Yes, like let's cater to racists and not show interracial marriage. Oh wait a minute maybe we should avoid that example because it just goes to show that the only reason behind that kind of thinking is prejudice.

Follow DailonCmann's lead and refer to comment #162

You may want to go back and edit the post everyone is referring to. That whole deal is getting tiresome.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Well, then kids shouldn't be let outside, because whenever I walk down the street, I see promotions for violent movies/games/tv-shows/music or promotions for fashion/tv-shows/movies/music that appeal to sex, not to mention the commersials/shows that are on TV.
Or the news. Damn, the NEWS! Children shouldn't be allowed to watch the news.
Or read the news.
Or actually, go to school. Then you have to interact with other people, and they might you know, share information.

Edit: And more OT..What do these moms mean when they say "children shouldn't be bothered with what is hard to understand."? How hard IS it?
How about "Hey, some men love men, and some women love women, and they can get married too. It's about love."? Seems pretty simple to me.

I didn't say sheltered, just that parents should be able to control what subjects toy stores expose children to.

Yes, like let's cater to racists and not show interracial marriage. Oh wait a minute maybe we should avoid that example because it just goes to show that the only reason behind that kind of thinking is prejudice.

Follow DailonCmann's lead and refer to comment #162

Your reasoning for why you withdrew it didn't seem to address the criticism I made.

Easy man. I disagree with his position too, but he's actually been fairly reasonable and courteous. Besides which, you're getting into the part of it where you aren't likely to change his opinion, just let it die.

 

[Toilet]

I dont think kids buy Archie comics any more, so this whole fuss is completely irrelevant.

When did the Escapist become the head of internet politics?

Long before they decided to use this wannabe facebook design for the site.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Don't see the problem, parents should be able to limit what their kids see.

Well, then kids shouldn't be let outside, because whenever I walk down the street, I see promotions for violent movies/games/tv-shows/music or promotions for fashion/tv-shows/movies/music that appeal to sex, not to mention the commersials/shows that are on TV.
Or the news. Damn, the NEWS! Children shouldn't be allowed to watch the news.
Or read the news.
Or actually, go to school. Then you have to interact with other people, and they might you know, share information.

Edit: And more OT..What do these moms mean when they say "children shouldn't be bothered with what is hard to understand."? How hard IS it?
How about "Hey, some men love men, and some women love women, and they can get married too. It's about love."? Seems pretty simple to me.

I didn't say sheltered, just that parents should be able to control what subjects toy stores expose children to.

Yes, like let's cater to racists and not show interracial marriage. Oh wait a minute maybe we should avoid that example because it just goes to show that the only reason behind that kind of thinking is prejudice.

Follow DailonCmann's lead and refer to comment #162

Your reasoning for why you withdrew it didn't seem to address the criticism I made.

Go look for a fight/debate somewhere else, I'm not debating on a point I already retracted.