One of my friend just died and someone just said this.
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Religious people sometimes say stupid things, but you have to look at it from their side. To them she is going to heaven, which is apparently a pretty cool place.
Plus her friends are all like 16, not exactly the oldest bunch of people.
If someone said she deserved it or something that would be bad, but wishing her luck in heaven... seems fine to me.
PS: IDK wtf was up with that boyfriend quote, it didn't even make sense to me.
Plus her friends are all like 16, not exactly the oldest bunch of people.
If someone said she deserved it or something that would be bad, but wishing her luck in heaven... seems fine to me.
PS: IDK wtf was up with that boyfriend quote, it didn't even make sense to me.
Thank you very much for your input and your sympathy guys. I appreciate all your opinions, they have really opened my mind. We showed his comment to a lot of people out there, even religious ones and total strangers, and most people agree that this is just horrible. Even a lot of Christian people think that this puts them in a bad light. Furthermore, my sister was a close friend of the victim, and now a lot of them are harassing and threatening her because she thought it was insensitive to the victim's parents.
Once again, thank you very much guys sincerely.
-Valkeminator.
Once again, thank you very much guys sincerely.
-Valkeminator.
Or give him an old fashioned whoopin'. That first guy needs to be taught a fucking lesson.John Marcone said:
The others need to realize that not everyone is a Christian and that what they are saying is pretty terrible.
If being brutally stabbed in the stomach and slowly bleeding out alone on the ground as people watch and do nothing to help is a surprise birthday present from the Christian God, I really hope he didn't get me anything. Yes, I realize that these people are only glossing over that and focusing on the 'she's in heaven now' bit and believe she's having a party (and yet all her friends are still alive here on earth), but still. That is cold, IMHO.
OT, they're just saying what they believe and what will make them happy in order to deal with her being gone. Let it slide.
Also, I feel like maybe this should be in Rel/Pol, not Off Topic.
OT, they're just saying what they believe and what will make them happy in order to deal with her being gone. Let it slide.
Also, I feel like maybe this should be in Rel/Pol, not Off Topic.
It seems to be a way of coping but it could easily be rather inappropriate. I doubt they were really thinking about it though and just did it.
I suppose it should be, its just that I was quite unsure of where to put it, and thought maybe off topic would be appropriate since this is relatively a personal experience for myself as well. If it is more appropriate then I hope the moderators would move the thread, since I don't think I need to repost the whole thing again.AgentDarkmoon said:
Thank you for your comments guys
Those comments aren't very nice IMO, But I think they meant no disrespect. But if there were people around her but they didn't do anything, they are idiots and should be banned from every club or group, including family groups, friendcircles and workplaces.
You can't watch someone bleed to death. Least thing you could do is call for an ambulance, or ask if someone else can do that.
Also, Sorry for your loss.
You can't watch someone bleed to death. Least thing you could do is call for an ambulance, or ask if someone else can do that.
Also, Sorry for your loss.
The thing that a lot of christians don't understand is that it's things like this that remind me why I am an atheist. They talk about how god has a plan and that some how it's a good thing that she bled to death from being stabbed. One of the ways I would deal with these people is to bring up the problem of evil argument.valkeminator said:
Ask them why a just and loving god would have some other human being murder her. If it was his plan to give her the birthday present of heaven, why did he send someone else to kill her in such a brutal way? That would mean that god had someone else commit a mortal sin (thus damning them to hell) just so that this one 15 year old girl could go to heaven. That would also mean that god interfered with free will, something some christians use as a weak and flawed argument for the problem of evil.
You could also just ask them how they know that god had anything to do with it? Why couldn't it have just been some evil person acting under their own free will who murdered her for no reason? How they know that she isn't burning in a lake of fire instead of resting in heaven? How do they know any that it isn't any of the other dozen of different circumstances?
I get that it's probably just their way of not having to accept that their friend is dead and I understand praying for her and even believing that that's where she is. But to say that it was a birthday present from god to end her life at only 16 is, in my opinion, insulting to her memory.
I do not mean for anything I have said to be in any way insulting to your friend if it was. I can only imagine how hard it must be for you.
also, if you care, here's a great piece about the problem of evil
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Problem_of_evil
Let me make this clear valkeminator or should i say miss natasha anthea lay. Your views are so worldly that you miss the true meaning of Christianity. I'm sorry, but I'm starting to understand why your character and actions even before leaving our school was so......psycho? that's probably it.
I don't think you understand what it means to be happy for someone who goes to heaven knowing she's much happier there than here on earth.Grieving for her and being angry about how she left this planet is another thing. We all are. Even the ones who say she's happy in heaven. Let me ask you: "Do you even believe in heaven?
Do you even understand the very essence of Christianity? That we're supposed to be happy when someone goes to heaven? And about Justice. What is justice? How can you define it? Speaking in a christian manner, We are all sinful people who are initially destined to go to hell after we die no matter how good we can be on earth. But Christ came down here to die on the cross for us so that we can go to heaven. Is it JUST for God? TO give his only begotten son for we imperfect humans. How she left, it ain't JUST, as a human i must say I agree. I keep asking God ,"Why did she have to leave in such a way?" But once again who are we to question God, all we can do is surrender to God and believe that God knows the best.
We are all sorry for Amanda's death. But we're not supposed to ask, "Why God?". Because we humans cannot understand God's plan. We just wanted to wish all the best for her. So that even though she had to leave us, we believe she's happy up there with God. All those tweets and FB post are actually showing how much we missed her and how much we want her to not leave all of us.
This is my advice: Cool your head down. Pray to God. Pray for her. Read His word. Ask God for the power to let go and accept things you can't change. Then when you're ready to, say sorry to those who you unintentionally hurt with your words when you were mad. Everybody had those times but the most important thing is that you gotta do is move on.
P.S: God Bless You and I'm sorry if i was to harsh at first.
I don't think you understand what it means to be happy for someone who goes to heaven knowing she's much happier there than here on earth.Grieving for her and being angry about how she left this planet is another thing. We all are. Even the ones who say she's happy in heaven. Let me ask you: "Do you even believe in heaven?
Do you even understand the very essence of Christianity? That we're supposed to be happy when someone goes to heaven? And about Justice. What is justice? How can you define it? Speaking in a christian manner, We are all sinful people who are initially destined to go to hell after we die no matter how good we can be on earth. But Christ came down here to die on the cross for us so that we can go to heaven. Is it JUST for God? TO give his only begotten son for we imperfect humans. How she left, it ain't JUST, as a human i must say I agree. I keep asking God ,"Why did she have to leave in such a way?" But once again who are we to question God, all we can do is surrender to God and believe that God knows the best.
We are all sorry for Amanda's death. But we're not supposed to ask, "Why God?". Because we humans cannot understand God's plan. We just wanted to wish all the best for her. So that even though she had to leave us, we believe she's happy up there with God. All those tweets and FB post are actually showing how much we missed her and how much we want her to not leave all of us.
This is my advice: Cool your head down. Pray to God. Pray for her. Read His word. Ask God for the power to let go and accept things you can't change. Then when you're ready to, say sorry to those who you unintentionally hurt with your words when you were mad. Everybody had those times but the most important thing is that you gotta do is move on.
P.S: God Bless You and I'm sorry if i was to harsh at first.
One more thing. Your post regarding some religious people saying those post were horrible are definitely atheist who have no sense of Christianity. Don't ever use God's name anymore cause if they say those post were horrible than they don't believe in heaven or even in God's righteous plans. how could you call yourself a christian Anthea, answer that.
I half expected it to be someone saying "Suck it up princess." This is pretty insensitive too though.
I live in Bintaro, Jakarta Selatan. Tell me who those guys are, and i'll personally make them see heaven/hell themselves.
but then again, they might be just pure assholes..
EDIT : after re-reading, the second poster might be typing it with tears flowing out.
but then again, they might be just pure assholes..
EDIT : after re-reading, the second poster might be typing it with tears flowing out.
Four words: Shotgun to the face (of your enemies to be clear as I would NEVER condone suicide). It's a brilliant stress-reliever, a fantastic cure for insubordination, and a great contingency plan.
First things first; these guys are complete fucking idiots.
But since that's out of the way, it seems pretty clear (though I don't know these people) that it was done with innocent intentions. Tell them to fuck off, but don't attack them or anything.
I'm sorry for your loss and I hope they get the asshat.
But since that's out of the way, it seems pretty clear (though I don't know these people) that it was done with innocent intentions. Tell them to fuck off, but don't attack them or anything.
I'm sorry for your loss and I hope they get the asshat.
The tone of those posts is a little too jocular, to be honest. I mean, I can understand a religious person thinking that, but the way it's said in this instance is kind of... Well, I'd have choice words to say with that person.