Ooooookay. Why is the term "Mary Sue" being thrown around like paint?

[Megalodon]

And considering that Poe was able to resist Kylo Ren and that we never actually see him succeed at mind ripping anyone

Um, what? While we don't see Poe 'crack' under Ren's mind attack, we do see him suffering, and the next scene is Ren leaving the interrogation room with the desired info (the map's in DD8). So either the film didn't show us Ren giving up on the force attack and breaking out the waterboarding (successfully, unlike all previous interrogations), or Ren did succeed in extracting the info from Poe with The Force, they just decided not to show the actual breaking. I know which one seems more plausible to me, so Rey's resistance can hardly be put down to Ren's incompetence.

 

[renegade7]

The Death Star has it's own gravitational field? The thing is the size of a moon, and while not solid, is made of materials denser than rock.

That would explain why a torpedo would drop at some point, not why it dropped at the precise point it needed to and did drop.

Protons are positively charged, so the "torpedo" would need some kind of magnetic containment field to keep the projectile coherent. If the magnetic field containing the plasma in the Death Star's "core" was strong enough then the exhaust port could have acted like a waveguide for the field, which would have resulted in the torpedoes being pulled directly towards it and then down into the core.

This approach seems likely, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that a civilization that has developed FTL travel has a sound enough mastery of high energy physics to be able to intelligently ionize a dense gas of hydrogen just so that it would be paramagnetically [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism] attracted only to a field of a given frequency (that of the target). So in this case, the targeting computer would direct the firing mechanism to give the proton gas a paramagnetic moment that would be triggered only by the magnetic field from the Death Star's core, configured to induce a magnetic moment in the plasma that would cause it to be attracted to the core and to ignore other field sources. This would essentially get you a missile that would not require a guidance computer.

However, you would have to fire the torpedo more or less from an angle directly facing the exhaust opening since you would need to already be in the magnetic field in order for the paramagnetic moment to form.

Sorry to burst your magnetic containment bubble, but proton torpedoes are physical objects. [http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/6e/Protontorpedo-NEGWT.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080808110314] Name comes from the fact that they're miniature nukes, iirc.

Honestly I was just messing around and wondering how ludicrously overcomplicated I could make it, given that it's Star Wars and the answer is probably just "Because Luke used the Force." Though I thought for sure I'd seen some fluff in X-Wing Alliance saying that they were made of plasma, but guess I was wrong there.

 

[Loonyyy]

Except that doesn't makes sense. That would mean that the entire plan to blow up the Death Star was a pointless endeavor from the word go. The whole point of it is that any of the pilots going at that thing could've made the shot.

Nope. The pilots complain about the size of the target, to which Luke replies with the line about bullseying womp rats with his T-16 back home, Wedge gets a shot on the exhaust port, he did it right, it didn't go in.

The reason they sent the pilots out was because they thought any of them could make the shot. They were wrong. Most of the assault was destroyed, Wedge got a shot on, but it missed, and Luke was only able to make the shot by giving himself over to the force. Vader himself takes wing to take down the assault, and specifically compliments Luke's flying, he's one of the few to evade him? It's explicit text. Rewatch it, this is a big moment. Hear the musical leitmotif? The ghost of Obi-Wan talking to him? See when he relaxes, in meditation, which we'd already seen shown, is how one accesses the force, during the scene on the Falcon with the training probe? Very similar to how Kenobi looked, at peace, before he let himself be struck down? For further reference, Yoda does the same thing to lift the X-Wing in ESB. The explicit rejection of the use of technology and the current weapons for the force, which ties into Obi-Wan's original description of the lightsaber, and everything he's been saying about the force? "Great shot Luke, that was one in a million" (Oh no, Luke got praised by Han, who also offered him a job MARY SUE MARY SUE). The parallels here are obvious. They even blatantly stole scenes from Luke's arc to stick in Rey's. It's pretty clear what they're doing there. One might say it's blatant, it's certainly plagiarism.

Stop butchering the originals and watch them. They're really good.

 

[Barbas]

Because it's fun to throw around in public discussions in the same way that spaghetti is fun to throw around in someone else's kitchen.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Except that doesn't makes sense. That would mean that the entire plan to blow up the Death Star was a pointless endeavor from the word go. The whole point of it is that any of the pilots going at that thing could've made the shot.

Nope. The pilots complain about the size of the target, to which Luke replies with the line about bullseying womp rats with his T-16 back home, Wedge gets a shot on the exhaust port, he did it right, it didn't go in.

The reason they sent the pilots out was because they thought any of them could make the shot. They were wrong. Most of the assault was destroyed, Wedge got a shot on, but it missed, and Luke was only able to make the shot by giving himself over to the force. Vader himself takes wing to take down the assault, and specifically compliments Luke's flying, he's one of the few to evade him? It's explicit text. Rewatch it, this is a big moment. Hear the musical leitmotif? The ghost of Obi-Wan talking to him? See when he relaxes, in meditation, which we'd already seen shown, is how one accesses the force, during the scene on the Falcon with the training probe? Very similar to how Kenobi looked, at peace, before he let himself be struck down? For further reference, Yoda does the same thing to lift the X-Wing in ESB. The explicit rejection of the use of technology and the current weapons for the force, which ties into Obi-Wan's original description of the lightsaber, and everything he's been saying about the force? "Great shot Luke, that was one in a million" (Oh no, Luke got praised by Han, who also offered him a job MARY SUE MARY SUE). The parallels here are obvious. They even blatantly stole scenes from Luke's arc to stick in Rey's. It's pretty clear what they're doing there. One might say it's blatant, it's certainly plagiarism.

Stop butchering the originals and watch them. They're really good.

I DID watch the originals. Freaking A, I saw the original VHS releases! Yes, Luke was able to make the shot by using the force, but that doesn't change the fact that anyone COULD have made that shot, it's just REALLY goddamned hard! Not to mention that, force or not, Vader was about to gank his ass until Han came out of nowhere and saved him.

If ANYTHING butchers the originals, it's Rey pulling off stunts that were greater than Luke's OR Anakin's (Luke in Episode's 4-5, Anakin in episode 1.) with no shown training! It basically says you don't need training to be a kickass Jedi, you just gotta BELIEVE! (Cue Prappa The Rapper song number).

Seriously, Rey makes Mara Jade look freaking grounded.

Also, Han praising Luke for making a shot that was rather hard, at the very last second, is a bit different from offering some kid he'd just met a spot on the Falcon for knowing what was wrong with the ship.

Also, stop implying that I didn't watch episodes 4-6. Even if I wasn't a Star Wars fan, my little brother ensured I have most of that crap memorized.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Also, Han praising Luke for making a shot that was rather hard, at the very last second, is a bit different from offering some kid he'd just met a spot on the Falcon for knowing what was wrong with the ship.

Han offers him a job after the Death Star, before the trench run. He suggests Luke take off with him and leave the Rebellion to its fate, stating that he's "pretty good in a fight". If I want to play the "undersell every accomplishment" game, Luke ineffectually fires a blaster at some storm troopers, almost drowns, and then performs every other heroic while separated from Solo. Solo is so impressed by this he immediately offers him a spot on the crew.

Also, stop implying that I didn't watch episodes 4-6.

For my part, I've never doubted that you've seen any of them, but your memory tends to be rather hazy as pertains to the finer details.

 

[Parasondox]

Mods, please kill this thread dead. If that made sense. It's now exhausted itself and the topic in question is now no longer needed to be discussed.

 

[Barbas]

Thread locked at OP's request.