Opinions/beliefs/theiories that Tick you off...

[Fwee]

George Carlin:

Whenever someone says they're entitled to their opinion, tell them that you're entitled to YOUR opinion, and that in your opinion they're not entitled to their opinion. Then pull out a gun and shoot the fuck.

 

[Nillz]

Well, I hate it when people like a particular candidate in an election without knowing anything of his/her policies or ideas. (hinting at a lot of Obama supporters I know)

 

[Kamaitachi]

No one looked at his policys, he announced the NHS thing before election, people were too busy thinking "OMG BLACK PRESIDENT"

 

[The White Light]

the religious and Atheist people.

So, all of humanity then? Or are we going with a specific denomination (or definition) of religious and atheist? Like, not including agnostics or people who worship unicorns? I'm just looking for clarification here.

I meant Atheists and Catholics/Jews.

Okay. For which reasons, if I may ask?


In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a jewish-born Strong Atheist.

I'm just plain sick of all this religion stuff, (Atheist counts as a religion). Without religion the world would have much more advanced technology and global peace.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

the religious and Atheist people.

So, all of humanity then? Or are we going with a specific denomination (or definition) of religious and atheist? Like, not including agnostics or people who worship unicorns? I'm just looking for clarification here.

I meant Atheists and Catholics/Jews.

Okay. For which reasons, if I may ask?


In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a jewish-born Strong Atheist.

I'm just plain sick of all this religion stuff, (Atheist counts as a religion). Without religion the world would have much more advanced technology and global peace.

How does atheism count as a religion? There are no atheist book of laws required to be an atheist, no atheist pope, and no atheist rituals. The only thing that all strong atheists [There's also weak atheism, implicit atheism, etc. For simplicity, I'm going with strong atheism.] have in common is believing that the statement "there is at least one god" is false.

Maybe you have been given a false impression of what an atheist is. In a world without any concept of religion, everyone would be implicit atheists.

 

[The White Light]

the religious and Atheist people.

So, all of humanity then? Or are we going with a specific denomination (or definition) of religious and atheist? Like, not including agnostics or people who worship unicorns? I'm just looking for clarification here.

I meant Atheists and Catholics/Jews.

Okay. For which reasons, if I may ask?


In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a jewish-born Strong Atheist.

I'm just plain sick of all this religion stuff, (Atheist counts as a religion). Without religion the world would have much more advanced technology and global peace.

How does atheism count as a religion? There are no atheist book of laws required to be an atheist, no atheist pope, and no atheist rituals. The only thing that all strong atheists [There's also weak atheism, implicit atheism, etc. For simplicity, I'm going with strong atheism.] have in common is believing that the statement "there is at least one god" is false.

Maybe you have been given a false impression of what an atheist is. In a world without any concept of religion, everyone would be implicit atheists.

Atheists believe that there is no God or any form of divine power. Religion is the belief in some way that explains the way things are on Earth. Atheists believe in Evolution and no God, therefore it is a Religion.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

the religious and Atheist people.

So, all of humanity then? Or are we going with a specific denomination (or definition) of religious and atheist? Like, not including agnostics or people who worship unicorns? I'm just looking for clarification here.

I meant Atheists and Catholics/Jews.

Okay. For which reasons, if I may ask?


In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a jewish-born Strong Atheist.

I'm just plain sick of all this religion stuff, (Atheist counts as a religion). Without religion the world would have much more advanced technology and global peace.

How does atheism count as a religion? There are no atheist book of laws required to be an atheist, no atheist pope, and no atheist rituals. The only thing that all strong atheists [There's also weak atheism, implicit atheism, etc. For simplicity, I'm going with strong atheism.] have in common is believing that the statement "there is at least one god" is false.

Maybe you have been given a false impression of what an atheist is. In a world without any concept of religion, everyone would be implicit atheists.

Atheists believe that there is no God or any form of divine power. Religion is the belief in some way that explains the way things are on Earth. Atheists believe in Evolution and no God, therefore it is a Religion.

You don't have to believe in evolution, or the big bang, or even the scientific method to be an atheist. Strong atheism, like I said, is just disbelief of any god.

By the ridiculous definition you provided, any opinion or explanation for how the world came to be is a religion. Which would mean that the only way to not be "religious" would be to not question or examine the natural world.

How does one avoid being "religious," something you hold contempt for, under your definition?

Perhaps it would also help to examine what a religion is. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in its article on Religion, lists some characteristics of religions. The more markers that are present in a belief system, the more "religious like" it is. Because it allows for broader grey areas in the concept of religion, I prefer this over more simplistic definitions we can find in basic dictionaries. Read the list and see how atheism fares :

1. Belief in supernatural beings (gods).
2. A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
3. Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
4. A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the gods.
5. Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual, and which are connected in idea with the gods.
6. Prayer and other forms of communication with gods.
7. A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
8. A more or less total organization of one's life based on the world view.
9. A social group bound together by the above.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm

 

[The White Light]

the religious and Atheist people.

So, all of humanity then? Or are we going with a specific denomination (or definition) of religious and atheist? Like, not including agnostics or people who worship unicorns? I'm just looking for clarification here.

I meant Atheists and Catholics/Jews.

Okay. For which reasons, if I may ask?


In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a jewish-born Strong Atheist.

I'm just plain sick of all this religion stuff, (Atheist counts as a religion). Without religion the world would have much more advanced technology and global peace.

How does atheism count as a religion? There are no atheist book of laws required to be an atheist, no atheist pope, and no atheist rituals. The only thing that all strong atheists [There's also weak atheism, implicit atheism, etc. For simplicity, I'm going with strong atheism.] have in common is believing that the statement "there is at least one god" is false.

Maybe you have been given a false impression of what an atheist is. In a world without any concept of religion, everyone would be implicit atheists.

Atheists believe that there is no God or any form of divine power. Religion is the belief in some way that explains the way things are on Earth. Atheists believe in Evolution and no God, therefore it is a Religion.

You don't have to believe in evolution, or the big bang, or even the scientific method to be an atheist. Strong atheism, like I said, is just disbelief of any god.

By the ridiculous definition you provided, any opinion or explanation for how the world came to be is a religion. Which would mean that the only way to not be "religious" would be to not question or examine the natural world.

How does one avoid being "religious," something you hold contempt for, under your definition?

Perhaps it would also help to examine what a religion is. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in its article on Religion, lists some characteristics of religions. The more markers that are present in a belief system, the more "religious like" it is. Because it allows for broader grey areas in the concept of religion, I prefer this over more simplistic definitions we can find in basic dictionaries. Read the list and see how atheism fares :

1. Belief in supernatural beings (gods).
2. A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
3. Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
4. A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the gods.
5. Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual, and which are connected in idea with the gods.
6. Prayer and other forms of communication with gods.
7. A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
8. A more or less total organization of one's life based on the world view.
9. A social group bound together by the above.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm

Atheism is the disbelief in God, so it is a belief that there is no God, and Religion is a belief in anything. I prefer hope and weed.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Atheism is the disbelief in God, so it is a belief that there is no God, and Religion is a belief in anything. I prefer hope and weed.

So would you define belief in gravity as a religion? Would you define a political party as a region? Would you consider a belief that the effects of marijuana is pleasant to be a religion? What exactly isn't a religion, by your definition?

Belief is not satisfactory as a sole qualifier of religion.

 

[DocBalance]

This one will tick a few people off, but Evolution. Yes, it's a theory, if it can even be called that. It is still yammered upon despite the fact that it's founding father didn't even believe it was fact, and presented without alternatives. Anyone who believes evolution is a myth is immediately called an idiot, despite the fact that evolution has no proof. None. Natural selection has proof, but evolution does not. Likewise, there is a TON of proof against it. I don't mind the theory in and of itself, after all, questions make science work. But assuming fact where no proof is given pretty much spits on the grave of every scientific leader in history, and could Darwin see the scientific climate today, he would probably weep. Just my two cents.

You do know that "Natural Selection" and "Evolution" are two words for the same thing, right? The common misconception floating around is that the Theory of Evolution claims anything more than "Species adapt over time, the ones with the best adaptations are more likely to survive", and that irritates me.

No, good sir, they are not. Natural selection is the backbone of evolution, while evolution is natural selection on a broad scale. Darwin presented this quite nicely: A change in beak size in shape would be natural selection, while a change in bone structure, beak size, feather color, talon shape, beak function, and diet would be evolution. Darwin himself said this. Now, that may have been changed in later thesis's by other scientists, but I go by Darwin's word, since he kind of started this whole theory.

TlR : BAAAW NO PROOF.

dude, you know they took in wild foxes, and a couple of generations down, they started to look like dogs?

you understand all evidence pointing to TINY changes in our bone structures over a period of years?

I could go on, but I would rather finish with this : this thread was for what pisses you off, not crying because someone pissed you off, you could have easily wrote "people who call you an idiot because you don't believe in evolution", but instead, you had to waste your time writing a poorly educated rant about how there is no proof.

Again, you have given proof of natural selection, not evolution. Now, if you could say we grew wings, or an extra pair of eyes, THAT would be evolution. Tiny changes in bone structure, however, is natural selection. Please study your theories more closely, rather than parroting whatever your biology teacher told you in high school.

Aaaah, I understand now, so evolution would be a complete change in our species I.E. : we all became purple and developed wings

and natural selection would be : we all developed bigger jaws to take in more food?

anyway, thanks for not being a douche in your response, like I was .

Correct, such as Darwin's original example of finches whose beak sizes changed, leading him to theorize that if this change were to occur on a larger scale of beak size, feather color, diet, wingspan, etc. over millions of years, a finch could become an eagle.

No hard feelings, mate, I've been in this debate for years. We've all got our opinions, and I definitely don't fault people for believing in evolution, I more fault the scientists who blatantly trumpet it when the proof is arguably against them. Being an incredibly huge debate nerd, I would prefer to see the issues debated and weighed, rather than one side or the other getting. But, that's a bit off-topic, I don't think you were being a douchebag, just stating your opinion. We've all got a right to that, no?

 

[The White Light]

Atheism is the disbelief in God, so it is a belief that there is no God, and Religion is a belief in anything. I prefer hope and weed.

So would you define belief in gravity as a religion? Would you define a political party as a region? Would you consider a belief that the effects of marijuana is pleasant to be a religion? What exactly isn't a religion, by your definition?

Belief is not satisfactory as a sole qualifier of religion.

Yes I would categorize those as a Religion. What isn't a religion is a hope. Like I hope there is gravity. Like I hope there isn't religion in the future. I do not believe in hope I merely hope that there is hope.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Atheism is the disbelief in God, so it is a belief that there is no God, and Religion is a belief in anything. I prefer hope and weed.

So would you define belief in gravity as a religion? Would you define a political party as a region? Would you consider a belief that the effects of marijuana is pleasant to be a religion? What exactly isn't a religion, by your definition?

Belief is not satisfactory as a sole qualifier of religion.

Yes I would categorize those as a Religion. What isn't a religion is a hope. Like I hope there is gravity. Like I hope there isn't religion in the future. I do not believe in hope I merely hope that there is hope.

Nice vague and meaningless definition of religion. Really. If every opinion is a religion, than it describes nothing of what we would actually consider religions.

 

[The White Light]

Atheism is the disbelief in God, so it is a belief that there is no God, and Religion is a belief in anything. I prefer hope and weed.

So would you define belief in gravity as a religion? Would you define a political party as a region? Would you consider a belief that the effects of marijuana is pleasant to be a religion? What exactly isn't a religion, by your definition?

Belief is not satisfactory as a sole qualifier of religion.

Yes I would categorize those as a Religion. What isn't a religion is a hope. Like I hope there is gravity. Like I hope there isn't religion in the future. I do not believe in hope I merely hope that there is hope.

Nice vague and meaningless definition of religion. Really. If every opinion is a religion, than it describes nothing of what we would actually consider religions.

Holy Crap, I don't fucking care about this anymore. And by the way I only said that religion ticks me off, I never said It wasn't Needed, it's funny as Hell.

 

[eelel]

Ultra conservatives that think they are better than every one

Don't forget, however, the ultra-liberals who think they're better than everyone. (No, I'm not implying anything about you.)

Even though I am more liberal than most I will give you that.