Opinions on Abortion

[Agayek]

I see abortion as a personal choice between the woman and the doctor, up until a certain point. For me, that's the 3rd trimester. After that, I'm against it in principle, but I still do not believe it should be outlawed.

But then, I don't think anything should be outlawed, so I'm hardly the best source for that.

 

[Bendon]

I think we should focus more on lowering the need for abortions, even if it's difficult to pull off :S

 

[tumeg828]

i personally think its horrible to deny life to an unborn child but ppl shud be able to choose what they want to live with

 

[asiepshtain]

Pro-choice here
I don't see how anyone else can dictate to a woman what she can and can't do with her own body. And that group of cells in her womb is not a child.

Yes it is. Once the egg and sperm cell unite there is a genetic uniqueness that will develop under optimal condition to a child. We are now smart enough to know that life doesn't begin in birth but when a new genetic being is created. That small cluster of cells already has a different DNA then that of the mother. Abortion is murder, simple.

However, that does not mean a stance for pro-life. For example, self defense permits murder, in a case where the pregnancy is endangering the life of the mother it is in her self-defense to abort the child.

 

[Moshi.Moshi]

I'm pro-choice. The decision should lie with the pregnant woman. And I wouldn't consider the baby to actually be a person until after it has left it's mothers body.

fully agree

 

[Aur0ra145]

I am definitely pro-life. I think that the choice that the woman had was to have sex in the first place. If she didn't want a child then she should have used protection on both her and her partner's accounts. The conception period is when it becomes a human being. It is on it's way

If contraception fails she's stuck with a kid she doesn't want? having to give it away or spend upwards of a million dollars and thousands of hours raising it? At the conception period it's a bunch of cells indistinguishable from any other creature at that stage.

Ah, but what about adoption?

Personally I am very much pro-life, but those are my views. I think all the women in whatever nation needs to have a huge seminar. Fight it out there, then come out and tell us what they have decided. Then stick to that.

 

[Thanatos34]

Abortion's a tricky subject and I don't know what i or my girlfriend would do if she got pregnant, it's just not something were ready for. On the one hand terminating the pregnancy would be easier in the long run and we'd be able to plan for a better time, however I don't know if i could bring myself to do it I mean it is MY kid in there.

To this I ask, do you fap?

How can you!

I mean, it is YOUR kid your wiping onto a sock.

See, there's the fallacy of that argument, no one can really justify calling it a kid, but at the same time, no one can really justify calling it a bunch of cells.

It's a very touchy subject, with lots of gray area.

It's not a kid if it's just sperm. Anyone who argues that is a little crazy in the head.

There is a point when the "collection of cells" as you guys put it, becomes a human being, and that point is before it enters the world. Since we do not know when exactly this occurs, we should err on the side of caution when performing abortions. In other words, we shouldn't do so unless it is necessary to do so. (Mother's life is in danger, or it would ruin the rest of the mother's life: rape, incest.)

 

[Thanatos34]

I am definitely pro-life. I think that the choice that the woman had was to have sex in the first place. If she didn't want a child then she should have used protection on both her and her partner's accounts. The conception period is when it becomes a human being. It is on it's way

If contraception fails she's stuck with a kid she doesn't want? having to give it away or spend upwards of a million dollars and thousands of hours raising it? At the conception period it's a bunch of cells indistinguishable from any other creature at that stage.

This argument is bullshit to me, at least the first part of it.

"Oh, I don't want the emotional pain of having to put it up for adoption, so let's just KILL IT!"

And no, it is not a collection of cells indistinguishable from any other creature at any stage. Perhaps visually it's indistinguishable, but not on the cellular level.

Abortion should only take place in cases of rape or incest, or if the mother is going to die by having the baby. The fetus has all the rights of a human being, except it's right to life does not supersede that of the mother's. (So if it's going to ruin her life, AND it wasn't her fault: rape, incest, or literally kill her, then she should be able to abort the child. Otherwise, no.)

 

[Thanatos34]

I am definitely pro-life. I think that the choice that the woman had was to have sex in the first place. If she didn't want a child then she should have used protection on both her and her partner's accounts. The conception period is when it becomes a human being. It is on it's way

If contraception fails she's stuck with a kid she doesn't want? having to give it away or spend upwards of a million dollars and thousands of hours raising it? At the conception period it's a bunch of cells indistinguishable from any other creature at that stage.

Ah, but what about adoption?

Personally I am very much pro-life, but those are my views. I think all the women in whatever nation needs to have a huge seminar. Fight it out there, then come out and tell us what they have decided. Then stick to that.

So basically, we need one major cat-fight. I like this idea. Can we watch?

 

[Thanatos34]

One of the things I always find amusing is the "coat-hanger, back-alley abortion" story.

I mean, if someone who is against gay marriage makes an argument that it will only lead to further legalization of polygamy or bestiality or pederasty, etc., then he's making a stupid red herring/slippery slope/straw-man dipshit argument that will never happen and just confuses/avoids the issue.

But if someone thinks abortion should be illegal (based on whatever "sanctity of life" argument you choose), then immediately you get "OMG then pregnant women everywhere will die horrible bloody deaths by sticking rusty coathangers in their vag behind some dumpster! We can't let that happen!"

Is that really no less absurd of an argument?

It's the typical double standard of the type of political correctness that is rampant in this country, at least.

 

[razer17]

i am pro - abortion. some people arent ready/able to look after a child. these people shouldn't have to bring a child into this world, giving the child an unfair life.
although using abortions as a "well no need to use a condom, because i can abort" is wrong.
also abortions aren't murder. a ball of cells (foetus) are about as alive as a sperm or an egg, and you dont count ejaculating as mass murder now, do you?
also, and this is controversial, i believe that ( VERY FEW )people should have forced abortions.
by the way, don't bother to flame me for this. im just putting across my opinion, and none of your arguments will change them.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Pro-choice here
I don't see how anyone else can dictate to a woman what she can and can't do with her own body. And that group of cells in her womb is not a child.

Yes it is. Once the egg and sperm cell unite there is a genetic uniqueness that will develop under optimal condition to a child. We are now smart enough to know that life doesn't begin in birth but when a new genetic being is created. That small cluster of cells already has a different DNA then that of the mother. Abortion is murder, simple.

However, that does not mean a stance for pro-life. For example, self defense permits murder, in a case where the pregnancy is endangering the life of the mother it is in her self-defense to abort the child.

Unique genetic structure or not, for about 3 to 4 months it lacks many of the essential quualities required to be considered "alive" much less "human".

For that first trimeseter, the embyro/fetus is nothing more then the pure definition of "parasite", and as such should not recieve special treatment otherwise if not being planned on carried through.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Pro choice definitely. If someone wants an abortion, do you really think they would make a good parent? and then there's the rape victims and single moms too. Also, even if you outlaw it people will probably do it anyways, so "Pro life" realistically is more like "Pro Coathanger"

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

I am definitely pro-life. I think that the choice that the woman had was to have sex in the first place. If she didn't want a child then she should have used protection on both her and her partner's accounts. The conception period is when it becomes a human being. It is on it's way

What if she gets raped? It happens.

 

[ExaltedK9]

Pro-Life. I consider abortion murder. Unless the mother is in danger of dying if she gives birth don't do it. Learn to use protection. If the women is raped I'm sorry but I still feel every child has a chance to a life. Give it up afterward.

You hate Obama, and you share my stand on abortion.

You're my friend!

Will you guys... both be my friends? If anything this thread has made me realize how under-represented we are on the 'Pist.

Your avatar is Bill O'reily...You're my friend as well!

 

[Zykon TheLich]

If I somehow became pregnant I don't think I could have an abortion, it just wouldn't feel right to me. To anyone else, it's their choice, if a woman wants an abortion then that's up to her.

 

[Nyeb]

I seriously don't think that abortion should ever be illegal. I mean, protest all you want, but the technology is there for women who are pregnant and dont want a baby, to not have a baby. If you take the use of that technology away, then why would we bother inventing it. It's the woman's choice, let's not take that choice away. I mean, at least it's safer than pushing preggo down the stairs. And let's face it, some people would do that if abortion was illegal.

 

[Doug]

I take the view that there should be encouragement not to require abortions (i.e. free condoms, etc), but that its ultimately the choice of the woman involved.

 

[GothmogII]

Idealistically I'm pro-life, that is, I'd like to live in a world where everyone supported each other and unwanted or crises pregnancies weren't such of a bad thing, or at the very least, that the mother's let the birth happen and then put them up for adoption.

Realistically I know the former is an overly idealistic and even infantile pipedream, things don't work like that, and as sad as it is, a right to abortion should be upheld. That said, the strictest conditions should be observed. Personally: No legal abortions after a certain amount of time, i.e. after 18-38 weeks etc. And that the woman is provided at least information on other options before going through with it, or indeed, something similar to a do not resuscitate contract: e.g. Are you completely 100% sure you want to go through with this, if so please sign here.

 

[ExodusinFlames]

I have no objection to a woman doing what she feels she needs to do. Plain and simple.
Why do people get so upset about this topic?
Lets top it off further with the fact that, when they go through with the procedure they should have the option to donate it for stemcell research. Thats the sort of thing thats going to save us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell_treatments

As just a few examples. Guaranteed that almost everyone knows someone who has been affected, or hell even lost someone as a result of one of the serious ailments that stem cells will be used to treat. /rant

But really, its a choice, whether between a couple deciding their not quite ready, or a young girl who was raped and impregnated.