Origin, why?
- Thread starter Belgian_Waffles
- Start date
Recommended Videos
Origins doesn't sound very good at all.
I don't like Steam either though. They're very good and all, but why tie down my game to Steam? And I don't want to have to launch and run a whole separate program like Steam just to play one of my games.
Good Old Games only has a little pop up when the game starts. Same with Telltale's stuff. Steam is just intrusive.
I can understand why people love Steam; they've done a very good job. I avoid it when possible though.
Also:
Okay. I think I can understand the logic of this person who confused you. He was explaining how Battle.net is different from Origin, not necessarily why Origin is bad. Or, he was explaining why Origin is *worse* that Battle.net, which at the same time explains how Steam is worse than Battle.net, but that doesn't make Steam bad, just worse than Battle.net. Steam can still be better than Origins.
Something like this: Battle.net > Steam > Origin
Not that that's necessarily true, or what the person was saying. Well, I personally find Battle.net much less intrusive than Steam, but it has its problems too.
I don't like Steam either though. They're very good and all, but why tie down my game to Steam? And I don't want to have to launch and run a whole separate program like Steam just to play one of my games.
Good Old Games only has a little pop up when the game starts. Same with Telltale's stuff. Steam is just intrusive.
I can understand why people love Steam; they've done a very good job. I avoid it when possible though.
Also:
You also confuse me a bit. I think I've got it now though. So the person you're responding to is saying Battle.net is good. Origins is not good, and different from Battle.net. However, Steam is also different from Battle.net in the same ways, making it like Origin, but he said that Origin is bad.SirBryghtside said:
Okay. I think I can understand the logic of this person who confused you. He was explaining how Battle.net is different from Origin, not necessarily why Origin is bad. Or, he was explaining why Origin is *worse* that Battle.net, which at the same time explains how Steam is worse than Battle.net, but that doesn't make Steam bad, just worse than Battle.net. Steam can still be better than Origins.
Something like this: Battle.net > Steam > Origin
Not that that's necessarily true, or what the person was saying. Well, I personally find Battle.net much less intrusive than Steam, but it has its problems too.
It's Origin, not Origins. Just a little nitpick.
And yeah, don't have much want to use it. Looks like it's finally happening, where in the wake of Steam's success, every damn publisher will try to make their own stores and soon we'll have to have multiple programs running and eating resources in order to play a damn game.
Steam needs competition, but that competition should be from a neutral digital distributor, like Impulse, instead of a service that just has one Publisher's set of games, or if that Publisher is one like EA, which has shown it has more contempt for its customers than care.
Also because I don't want to have to install five different "services" for five different games. And if they're like EA/Microsoft, they WILL make you run those programs to play the games. Because you might be a pirate, you dirty damn pirate. What do you mean you "bought" it? Prove it by running this program. Don't want to run it? Your a damn pirate, pirate.
And yeah, don't have much want to use it. Looks like it's finally happening, where in the wake of Steam's success, every damn publisher will try to make their own stores and soon we'll have to have multiple programs running and eating resources in order to play a damn game.
Steam needs competition, but that competition should be from a neutral digital distributor, like Impulse, instead of a service that just has one Publisher's set of games, or if that Publisher is one like EA, which has shown it has more contempt for its customers than care.
Also because I don't want to have to install five different "services" for five different games. And if they're like EA/Microsoft, they WILL make you run those programs to play the games. Because you might be a pirate, you dirty damn pirate. What do you mean you "bought" it? Prove it by running this program. Don't want to run it? Your a damn pirate, pirate.
Well, it's certainly the only one I intend to download, -especially- if the other one is a buggy mess created by EA/Activision.SirBryghtside said:
If Activision, Ubisoft or Bethesda decided to make their games digitally distributed, all the more power to them, they are just going after the market that Valve, at the moment at least, widely controls.Belgian_Waffles said:
Also, as far as I am aware anyway, The Old Republic is the only exclusive Origin title. Crysis 2, judging by the information that has been said, was pulled due to Valve's decision. The likes of Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 are also currently listed for pre-order on D2D, so it doesn't look like EA are going for exclusivity either
Of course, we don't want hundreds upon thousands of digital distribution services to run, it would be impossible to manage, but Valve shouldn't be allowed a monopoly, just because it's Valve
I agree, EA may not be the most desirable company in the world to be doing this, but hell, at least there might actually be some legitimate competition for, as you say, the "gods of gaming"Toriver said:
Steam is run by Valve, who are not one of the who I like to call "Big Three" (EA, Activision, and Ubisoft.) The Big Three are all in direct competition with one another, they would never allow their games to be on one of the other Big Three's download services therefore making it a less desirable experience than a middle man-esque company like Valve or IGN. Bonus points for The Big Three if they decide to pull their triple A titles to make their service more popular, we're already seeing this with Crysis 2 and The Old Republic.SirBryghtside said:
I would be more inclined to support these services if it was run by Bethesda or Rockstar, but leaving it to the Big Three just spells trouble for the digital distribution service industry.
Gaah, sentence structuring issues...
You're aware that every company requires money to function, right? Not just EA and Activision? Valve will also have a metaphorical furnace that burns puppies for warmth, they just hide it better. All this EA and Activision treat their fans like dirt thing is horrendously overblown. It's equivalent to saying 20th century fox treat movie-goers badly because they released the Star Wars prequel trilogy.
And I'm all for competition in the digital distribution market. Steam has a crazy monopoly on the whole thing. Admittedly I'm not so fond of publishers being in control of distributing their products directly, but again, Valve started that. The way the market seems to be going at the moment, EA will almost certainly keep selling their games through Steam as well.
You're aware that every company requires money to function, right? Not just EA and Activision? Valve will also have a metaphorical furnace that burns puppies for warmth, they just hide it better. All this EA and Activision treat their fans like dirt thing is horrendously overblown. It's equivalent to saying 20th century fox treat movie-goers badly because they released the Star Wars prequel trilogy.
And I'm all for competition in the digital distribution market. Steam has a crazy monopoly on the whole thing. Admittedly I'm not so fond of publishers being in control of distributing their products directly, but again, Valve started that. The way the market seems to be going at the moment, EA will almost certainly keep selling their games through Steam as well.
Am i the only one who remembers that a couple years back EA and Valve were partnered with co-promoting Steam? Or something like that.... I forget.
Also EA isnt going to go nuts with the price knobs every week like Valve does with Steam.
Now i can tell you straight that EA isnt going to put a dent in Steam or the 4 or so other digital distribuors on the interwebs becasue most of the games anyone cares about are also available on consoles.lunncal said:
Also EA isnt going to go nuts with the price knobs every week like Valve does with Steam.
Indeed this is true, i own one game on it, purely becasue they didnt release it in retail.Psycho-Toaster said:
Please read my other posts, it has nothing to do with me being a rabid Valve fanboy (which I'll admit I am.) but with EA, Activision, and Ubisoft affecting the entire digital distribution service as a whole.J03bot said:
EA's Origin is merely an experimental push to try and test a variety of markets left nigh-untouched by the major publishers.
Hopefully it will either adapt to the different, cheaper world of DD or be completely ignored by people who like the fact that Steam gives them good deals....I still don't really see the reason for it though. It's like they wanted something to cement and record their consumer base - so they released a downloadable service out of the blue to coincide with the release of two major properties....
Just a random guy at a computer staring down the percentage bar of a download, shaking his head in obvious disgust and anger as it ticks ever onwards.
Hopefully it will either adapt to the different, cheaper world of DD or be completely ignored by people who like the fact that Steam gives them good deals....I still don't really see the reason for it though. It's like they wanted something to cement and record their consumer base - so they released a downloadable service out of the blue to coincide with the release of two major properties....
I love this image.Belgian_Waffles said:
Just a random guy at a computer staring down the percentage bar of a download, shaking his head in obvious disgust and anger as it ticks ever onwards.
Apologies for implying you were. I was more trying to draw attention to the fact that there is a huge monopoly on the digital distribution market, and that change might be a good thing. Steam is so widely used (and convenient for everyone from publishers to players) that it'll probably keep getting EA's titles. Which, if we're really lucky, will lead to a normal market environment in which competitive pricing will come in to play.Belgian_Waffles said:
Also, it'll probably cause physical publishing of PC games to die. But when was the last time anyone bought a PC game in a real-life shop anyway?
I remember seeing talk similar to this when valve first released steam.
"I have to connect to the internet to play HL2... wtf?"
I dislike the offline system for steam. It's irritating that you can't have some sort of physical authentication. Like a unique usb stick thing or whatever.
I also dislike NEEDING to run a game through another application.
In steam's case I came to a compromise because there are so many games on there, any game I want is either on steam, or is downloadable from it's respective website, like MMOs and Free-to-play games.
With steam I've got everything I need, and I can even add non-steam games.
If it's something like a combination of EA link and Games for Windows Live, then I think it will work out, and it'll probably be as un-obtrusive as a mandatory log-in to a service can be. All the same if the game is available on steam as well, I'll just get the steam copy thanks.
If it just tries to imitate steam and no-one will like it at all, and it will be shunned and ignored.
"I have to connect to the internet to play HL2... wtf?"
I dislike the offline system for steam. It's irritating that you can't have some sort of physical authentication. Like a unique usb stick thing or whatever.
I also dislike NEEDING to run a game through another application.
In steam's case I came to a compromise because there are so many games on there, any game I want is either on steam, or is downloadable from it's respective website, like MMOs and Free-to-play games.
With steam I've got everything I need, and I can even add non-steam games.
If it's something like a combination of EA link and Games for Windows Live, then I think it will work out, and it'll probably be as un-obtrusive as a mandatory log-in to a service can be. All the same if the game is available on steam as well, I'll just get the steam copy thanks.
If it just tries to imitate steam and no-one will like it at all, and it will be shunned and ignored.
Nothing should have you completely delete steam in favor of Origin...just like there's no reason to throw away your gaming consoles when you have a PC gaming rig.
Origin has the potential to become great in time. Right now, it is barely better than purchasing games in store...there is very little to be exited about. In the next year or two this is likely to change...especially if they hope to compete against Steam.
Personally, I've installed Origin to give them my support and check the store periodically to see any changes. I doubt I'll buy anything there in the near future...but I'm giving them a chance to win me over. You might consider doing the same, particularly during the holidays when the potential for better deals should be there.
Origin has the potential to become great in time. Right now, it is barely better than purchasing games in store...there is very little to be exited about. In the next year or two this is likely to change...especially if they hope to compete against Steam.
Personally, I've installed Origin to give them my support and check the store periodically to see any changes. I doubt I'll buy anything there in the near future...but I'm giving them a chance to win me over. You might consider doing the same, particularly during the holidays when the potential for better deals should be there.
The reason why Steam works so well is because Valve is a fairly neutral company in terms of their marketing and IPs.
EA is currently a screaming 6 year old trying to pick a fight with Activision and Call of Duty. I doubt that angry 6 year old is going to give Activision fair access to their system, and therefore their system is going to be limited right off the bat as to its selection in game.
EA is currently a screaming 6 year old trying to pick a fight with Activision and Call of Duty. I doubt that angry 6 year old is going to give Activision fair access to their system, and therefore their system is going to be limited right off the bat as to its selection in game.
Gamestop's number one reason for not carrying PC games is (are?) steam.J03bot said:
Competition is never a bad thing, I just tend to assume the worst and Origin could very well lead to a messy situation. As is stripping away games from other services.
Origin is a stand alone client you don't need it running to patch or play your games like Steam. Though I don't personally use it I know some people who prefer it to Steam. And, I've heard it has much better download speeds compared to Steam to. Finally any competition is a good thing who the hell wants Steam to exist as a monopoly.
I thought this thread was about State of Origin. I am disappoint.
OT: I really want Crysis 2, but I really don't want Origin. Steam FTW. If I buy a physical copy (argh, I thought I was done with those!) do I need to register it with Origin or can I play the game without that shit on y computer?
OT: I really want Crysis 2, but I really don't want Origin. Steam FTW. If I buy a physical copy (argh, I thought I was done with those!) do I need to register it with Origin or can I play the game without that shit on y computer?