Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

[Joa_Belgium]

Jesus, wtf is with the people on this forum? Am I one of the only people who's glad this guy is dead?

No, of course not. I'm not celebrating though. Then again, I'm not American.

But yes, I am glad that the bastard is finally burning in hell. He had it coming, after the shit he pulled.

 

[Harbinger_]

I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:

"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.

Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.

"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.

"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.

"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."

Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.

"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.

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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.

"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."

However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.

"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.

Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."

( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )

Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.

I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.

I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.

What do you think?

Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one

I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.

 

[mudE13]

Nobody was saying it was too much when Iraq citizens were celebrating the fall and death of Saddam. They had every right to because many of their loved ones were killed by that monster. It's very similar with Bin Laden. He killed thousands of Americans in one day. And it's not so much about celebrating his death, but the fact it brings some closure to the darkest time to our country. U! S! A!

 

[BlueMage]

It's pretty easy to be on the outside looking in and say it's disgusting to celebrate someone paying for their actions with their life. If such an attitude was a dominate one in the world many more people like Bin Laden would be terrorizing the world. When you you lose a family member, a loved one, even an acquaintance to an act you never thought possible. When your way of life is changed to the point where you need to worry about wether or not it's safe to travel or go to work. Then your opinion might carry a bit more weight. People might be celebrating because they feel a loved one is avenged. Maybe they feel safer (though they really aren't) Let them celebrate. Bin Laden wasn't tortured, he wasn't hung in time's square. He committed an act of war on the American's soil and fell as a military leader would have. His body was disposed of in accordance with the laws of his religion. People who were effected by it in any way have a right to react however they like, wether it's stupid to us or not. The man killed people who had nothing to do with anything in his country. They had no control of US policy regarding his country or his religion, they went to work that day and were punished for things beyond their control. The opinion of people who sit at home and present poorly spelled arguments that the American's should've offered him a coffee and a Barbara Walters interview so she can ask what they did wrong are not only ridiculous but ignorant. Celebrate all you want, don't hurt anyone who is innocent and don't bash muslims for the actions of an extremist and there is no problem.

Clearly you're unfamiliar with some of our wildlife here - it IS dangerous to travel or go to work. The dropbears can be very .... unforgiving.

I am unfamiliar with them but if one attacks and you happen to bring it down with your car and have a beer at lunch to celebrate... I won't be mad at you.

Oh no no no, we're lucky if we've still got a car afterwards when that happens. The beer is to remind us how precious life is and how close we were to death. Like I said, the dropbears can be very .... unforgiving.

 

[Lerxst]

I think the proper response to Kuranda Seyit and others who feel the way he does is simply this:

Cry more n00b. Welcome to the losing team.

There should be fireworks in the sky. There should be wine flowing from fountains. There should be singing and dancing in the street. Well, OK, we've got that last one. The other two still need work.

Justice? I'll be blunt: this was vengeance, plain and simple. Osama bin Laden was an enemy of this nation long before 9/11. Don't forget the first bombing of the World Trade Center. Don't forget the bombing of the two embassies. Don't forget the bombing of the USS Cole. Don't forget the bombing in Madrid.

This man didn't deserve the death he got. Osama bin Laden once said: "I am a person who loves death. If I am to die, I would like to be killed by the bullet." He didn't deserve the bullet. He deserved to die starving in a cage like an animal. I make no apologies for my view and I make no apologies to the world for the reactions of my people. I have known people and know people who have fought and are fighting over in Afghanistan and Iraq because Osama bin Laden decided he wanted to show the world how big his swinging cod was.

Most of all, I will not forget why he became so hated in the first place and neither should anyone else. He was a monster of the first caliber. End of story.

?Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.? - Winston Churchill

I'm sure those will be comforting words for the victims of the next suicide bomber...

 

[jam.on.the.toasts]

the thing being, what did people expect would happen?

The repercussions of this being ignored just for the moment but he really was built up as THE enemy he wasn't just some mass murderer he was THE mass murderer it's not celebrating the death of a man it's really the death of a figurehead and it really becomes almost like the death of a 'bad guy' in fiction or something that's just the way people work. Sure it MAY not actually count for much but it sure as hell must feel like it to a hell of a lot of people.

Do I plan on celebrating? - no.

Do I feel like people should feel disgusted? - yeah people should get up in arms about the celebration of death.

BUT do I think people should not be celebrating? most certainly not

Heck just quickly think about it from the other direction- If people were all completely indifferent that would be just about the creepiest response to this. (having said that there is a huge difference in indifference and celebration there are of course people will float somewhere in the middle being just happy at the news)

thing is everyone, people are people if we didn't have reactions going in both directions what the hell then what the hell would we be? (that's rhetorical lets not get off topic)

 

[TheRealCJ]

I know we really don't need another one of these, but I think it's quite relevant:

"THE director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) has labelled US celebrations over the death Osama Bin Laden "disgusting" and called on people to be more reserved.

Kuranda Seyit said the images of Americans rejoicing in the streets of Washington and New York after US President Barack Obama announced bin Laden had been killed in Pakistan were not appropriate.

"I'm just totally disgusted about it," he said.

"(The celebrations) are just like the so-called reports by American television of Muslims celebrating after September 11, this is just as bad.

"We need to show a little bit more respect towards humanity, even if they're the bad guys."

Mr Seyit said the al-Qaeda leader had galvanised the Muslim community in the past.

"The way he is viewed now, I would say 50 in terms of pro and 50 in terms of against.

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"A lot of people see him as a negative representative of the Muslim community.

"But then, other people see him as someone who is at least having a go at some of those colonial powers interfering in Muslim affairs."

However, Mr Seyit did point to the advent of social networking as a great way of breaking down radicalism and promoting democracy, as shown in the recent revolution in Tunisia.

"Connecting other people who have similar grievances through that medium has meant that people can talk about that and it helps people to be less radical," he said.

Nevertheless, Mr Seyit said he was sceptical of the news bin Laden was dead and was waiting for photographs of the body to be released."

( http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-celebrations-labelled-disgusting/story-e6frfku0-1226048586138 )

Now, personally, I'm inclined to agree. It's not that they're celebrating, Bin Laden was obviously a very hated person all over the world. But it's the fact that they're celebrating the death of a man, no matter how evil.

I think Mr. Seyit is absolutely right in that US citizens are doing exactly what they critisize Islamic communities in the Middle East and Asia of doing.

I think a bit of celebration is absolutely warranted, but I also think that a bit of reservedness is also in order. At the end of the day, this is still the death of a person.

What do you think?

Edit: Ooops, Sorry, I put it in the wrong forum, if any mods wanna move it to the right one

I celebrate every year the day that Hitler was reported to have died and I'll celebrate every year the day that this other mass murderer died as well. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. By the way I also celebrate the day that Saddam was killed as well. Less evil and cruelty in the world is a good enough reason for me to have a smile on my face. Also I'm not American.

Again, if you read to the end of the post, I did say that I have no problem with someone celebrating the end of a Tyranny or regime as the result of the death of a person, which I sure is what you meant, but there no end of anything here, it's just a person who has been killed. Al Qaeda is still going strong, and the war can't even see ceasefire with a telescope.

Also, I'm pretty sure that every year you don't spill drunkenly onto the streets with a huge flag and yell stuff at traffic. That's the other part I have a problem with.

 

[JWRosser]

Ah, so this is what the next war will be about.


Captcha: ivistate one.
Like the Chosen One, but not as good.

 

[Don't taze me bro]

The celebrations are premature. He is just one man of many. My honest feelings are that I'm a little upset that he wasn't captured so that he could stand charges for his crimes.

 

[Thespian]

But for the last 30 years we've been claiming to be better and more civilized than them in every conceivable way.

Now it's time to put our money where out mouths are.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[TheRealCJ]

Ah, so this is what the next war will be about.


Captcha: ivistate one.
Like the Chosen One, but not as good.

All hail the Holy Ivistate.

Hmm, got a nice ring to it, when all is said and done.

 

[Mad1Cow]

While reading that, I could only read it in the Heavy's voice off of TF2...not sure what that says about my social life...

Anyway at the end of the day in my eyes this can only be bad in the long term. Also I still find it ridiculous how America still deem him the HEAD OF ALL EVIL when really he's more like the colonel from KFC...yeah, he made the chicken once, but he doesn't personally oversee and make the chicken now does he? He's just a face...

 

[mudE13]

Oh by the way, if he would have died let's say a week after the 9/11 attacks, we wouldn't even be having this discussion and you know I'm right

 

[Ghost]

They had every right to because many of their loved ones were killed by that monster.

Most Americans would probably be displeased at street parties over Bush's death though, despite how many tens of thousands of people died as a result of his decisions and how unpopular he was towards the end of his leadership. Footage of Americans throwing death parties will only create a bad impression of your nation, and antagonize extremist Muslims further.


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Oh by the way, if he would have died let's say a week after the 9/11 attacks, we wouldn't even be having this discussion and you know I'm right

Totally agree with you there, popular opinion takes time and propaganda to change. Shame it didn't happen a week after, imagine how many lives would have been spared, from both sides of the conflict.

 

[Erja_Perttu]

Well, what else have the Ameicans had to celebrate lately?

Plus, this is the first time since Hitler that someone so conspicuously and legitimately evil has been killed. Why not have a party?

I'll concede that the celebrations in the streets could be considered bad taste, but hell the guy deserved it.

 

[thehype097]

I would respect my enemy. Just because they are terrorists does not mean they are degraded to animals.

The British Army respected the IRA theres even a picture of a British Soldier saluting the coffin of an IRA volunteer as it passed by. Just shows the calibre of the people involved.

Americans just let themselves down once again. Fox news will be having a field day on this crap

So because he was attacked in response to an act of war thats treating him like an animal? If he wasn't respected he would've been brought back to the US and tortured. He was quickly killed and buried at sea in a fashion required by his religion buy US soldiers. A religion he killed thousands of Americans in the name of and he was laid to rest by Americans in the way that religion demands. Yeah... How disrespectful huh?

This thread is about the celebrations about his death so quite frankly i find your point irrelevant. Typical is all i can think

You said he, the enemy, was treated like an animal. you didn't specify that you meant celebrations. Which is also nothing like being treated like animals (Do you know a lot of people who celebrate animal deaths?) So quite frankly i find your point to be nonsensical. Smug is all I can think.

Hunted like an animal is what you seem to be missing other than being draped in an American Flag not to mention the dehumanisation of Osama wherein people are out rejoicing in the streets at the death of someone.Tasteless and arrogant. So your misunderstanding of my post gives you the basis for this argument? Not to mention I used that example to show the respect between two enemies afterall soldiers/civilians where against Osama(as proven by the celebrations which we should be talking about before once again your afermentioned misunderstanding of me post derailed us from) and he against them ever since he declared war on the USA in the late 90's. Fox news viewer is all i can think.

BTW wouldnt animal sacrifice be seen as celebration of animal deaths?

He was draped in the American Flag huh? When did that happen? I find it hard to believe you know that considering no footage has been released coupled with the fact that it is not standard practice to bury a sworn enemy of your country in your flag (which is meant as a sign of honor).
There's no misunderstanding, you've now upped the ante to examples having nothing to do with the celebrations being used. I suppose no civilians were happy about IRA deaths? You know that right? yet another fact-less assumption. You said there was respect because soldiers had it and so did I.
I hate fox news btw but good effort you keep plugging in your smug incorrect assumptions. I thought typical was all you can think... you should probably keep limiting yourself to one thought. If you think celebrating is tasteless and arrogant (though not nearly as arrogant as your posts and how proud you seem to be of your knowledge that fox news is biased and right wing. A fact known by most at the age of 13(congrats)) i can see your stand point and I respect your opinion. However, All I said was that I brought up a sign of respect by soldiers and you jumped on me about it not being about the celebrations despite the fact that you did the exact same thing as an example before. Criticizing someone for something you did yourself, how very Fox News of you. I can't help but wonder what the next all you can think line is going to be.

It would be fantastic to this arguement if you could read. I said you were draped in an american flag the way your getting on not Osama. You seem to be seeing what you want yourself to see or delude yourself im not sure either i am no surprised at all.

On te topic of respect between soldiers i used that as an example between two warring factions. You obviously cant either read between the lines or understand the most simple of parallels. I love the way your calling me arrogant when you are showing the most biast, narrow train of thought that has seen you use the last part of your paragraph attack me on about fox news and once again you are even quoting YOURSELF wrong. Just go back and re-read your posts you keep chopping and changing what you saying.

How very Fox news of you. Plus im more criticising your biast approach to this that is not helped by very vague and misleading. Extremly hypocritical if your calling me out for being smug when you yourself are kind of just floundering about as i have to explain nearly everything i meant in my post.

So please if your going to quote me and then try and make fun of it in a sardonic way make sure you quote me right. Thank you.

First, it's Biased not biast one is a word one isn't. it's easier to read when the writer can spell and use complete sentences. if you wanted to say that I was draped in the flag then it should've read exactly what you had to say to clarify it. you said "Hunted like an animal is what you seem to be missing other than being draped in an American Flag." That sentence implies that I missed the fact that he was hunted like an animal and draped in the flag. In order to display your point more effectively be sure to define the subject of the sentence more clearly.

By using the soldier example in a post you were illustrating the respect for warring factions, easy to understand. I replied that US soldiers showed him respect. If you wanted to illustrate that respect in comparison to civilian celebrations showing a lack thereof the groups would have to be more similar. Comparing a soldier to a civilian doesn't work when soldiers had the same reaction of soldier in your example. In order to illustrate your point your example had to be comparable to the civilian in the situation. i.e. civilian reaction toward the IRA.

I don't see exactly what I chopped or changed (sounds a lot like flip-flopping, what fox news accused john kerry of) I said soldiers were respectful then I said you never brought up civilians in your original post then I accused you of making assumptions about the situation and about me. None of that is a contradiction to anything i said. The only thing that could be considered a change was that flag misunderstanding which, as we discussed, could've been cleared up if you knew how to articulate your thoughts into concise meaningful statements.

As for calling you arrogant. "All I can think is, typical" Is an arrogant and rude statement. If you don't want to be called arrogant don't act arrogant.

Lastly I realize this post was a bit condescending and arrogant. You know what? I'm okay with that.

 

[thehype097]

They had every right to because many of their loved ones were killed by that monster.

Most Americans would probably be displeased at street parties over Bush's death though, despite how many tens of thousands of people died as a result of his decisions and how unpopular he was towards the end of his leadership. Footage of Americans throwing death parties will only create a bad impression of your nation, and antagonize extremist Muslims further.

You sir do not know most American's. Most American's would've offered to cater those parties. For free.

 

[8-Bit Grin]

We're American.

We have a habit of blowing our patriotism up to almost comical proportions.

I suppose I should apologize on behalf of those who try to show some restraint, but I don't know how many would appreciate being spoken for.

Once again, we're American.

Free speech only holds up until you start stepping on the wrong toes, and people should only speak for us if they believe in everything we do.

Yes, sometimes we're a bit crazy.

... but what society isn't?

At least to an extent.

 

[Ghost]

You sir do not know most American's. Most American's would've offered to cater those parties. For free.

Heh, good to hear. I would have assumed it would have been viewed as an insult to the entire nation.

 

[Wilbot666]

I've said this before and Americans hate me for it, but I'll reiterate anyhow. Bin Laden deserved to die for the things he'd orchestrated, but everyone seems to forget that it was the USA that armed and trained the Taliban and by extension Al Quaeda in the '80s. The CIA made their bed in the middle east and was then all upset when those same terrorists bought it home to New York for them to sleep in with 9/11. Thousands of people died in the WTC destruction and there is absolutely no denying that is was one of the nations greatest tradgedies. I just wonder how many deaths the Americans have caused since the '80s by supplying and training those same responsible people to fight the Soviets, who were the big enemy at the time.

Celebrating a man's death, whoever he was, is tacky.
Especially from a country that supposedly is made up a majority of Christians.
Hypocrisy is not something that is race or religion specific.

Oh yes, and flame me all you like, it's true.