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Samtemdo8 said:
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I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
 

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SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies. And the King Speech was a good movie. Bob was probably just salty that it won over Toy Story 3. I mean this is the man that thinks Harry Potter and the Avengers should be nominated for Best Picture :p
 

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Better then who? The average movie goer? I mean, and this is from a mouth breathing dummy, but I honestly think Fury Road is a better film than Spotlight.

Then again the entire concept is subjective from the start so who really cares? I'm just saying solely by virtue of trying to make a film to appeal to the academy you are not guaranteed to make a good film.
 

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Well, I haven't seen any of these. I need to do something about my growing list of movies I "need" to watch, instead of watching bullshit movies like Gods of Egypt.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies.
They might have, but then again this year's nominations were definitely skewed to make the ceremony not #sowhite.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies. And the King Speech was a good movie. Bob was probably just salty that it won over Toy Story 3. I mean this is the man that thinks Harry Potter and the Avengers should be nominated for Best Picture :p
I liked what Cracked suggested the Oscars do, and have a three year or so gap between when the movie comes out and when it comes up for an Oscar nomination. That way, the awards won't keep going to the decent-yet-forgettable-oscarbait and will go to the good movies that have stayed in the minds of the voters. Doing it that way, things like Harry Potter or Mad Max would actually win.
 

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Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land.
Moonlight, which actually won.
 

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I'd say out of the three black-led films that received nominations, Moonlight is the least Oscar-y, and the least broad. It would have been remembered well without Oscar traction.
 

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maninahat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies. And the King Speech was a good movie. Bob was probably just salty that it won over Toy Story 3. I mean this is the man that thinks Harry Potter and the Avengers should be nominated for Best Picture :p
I liked what Cracked suggested the Oscars do, and have a three year or so gap between when the movie comes out and when it comes up for an Oscar nomination. That way, the awards won't keep going to the decent-yet-forgettable-oscarbait and will go to the good movies that have stayed in the minds of the voters. Doing it that way, things like Harry Potter or Mad Max would actually win.
Why do you find most Oscarbait forgettable?

I did not find There Will Be Blood forgettable. I did not find Slumdog Millionaire forgettable.

Also just because a perticular movie won does not invalidate the quality of the other nominated movies.
 

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What enjoyment could you people possibly glean from watching a bunch of pompous rich people play dress-up, and tell each other how wonderful they are? Having to sit through an entire broadcast of the Oscars seems like a violation of the 8th Amendment to me.
Shouldn't you just go off killing Cliff Races in Vvardenfell already?
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
maninahat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies. And the King Speech was a good movie. Bob was probably just salty that it won over Toy Story 3. I mean this is the man that thinks Harry Potter and the Avengers should be nominated for Best Picture :p
I liked what Cracked suggested the Oscars do, and have a three year or so gap between when the movie comes out and when it comes up for an Oscar nomination. That way, the awards won't keep going to the decent-yet-forgettable-oscarbait and will go to the good movies that have stayed in the minds of the voters. Doing it that way, things like Harry Potter or Mad Max would actually win.
Why do you find most Oscarbait forgettable?

I did not find There Will Be Blood forgettable. I did not find Slumdog Millionaire forgettable.

Also just because a perticular movie won does not invalidate the quality of the other nominated movies.
There Will Be Blood and Slumdog Millionaire were not Oscarbait.

Oscarbait refers to movies that are hand made to get nominations. They are often period pieces and made to inspire nostalgia among voters, or just affirmation of how important the media is to changing the world. They are also premiered late in the year, because nominators have the attention span of a goldfish. Examples of oscarbait are "The Artist", a movie about movie nostalgia for people 70 and older; or "The King Speech" a movie that was premiered exclusively to Oscar voters and was about how monarchy teamed up with radio and sound movies to helped save the world from Nazis; or "Argo", a movie about how Hollywood was able to save hostages from a war zone.

That is not to say some of those movies aren't fine on their own right, but many are so forgettable that people barely remember them a couple years after the nomination.

And no, it does not invalidate the quality of the other movies, but it does cast shadow on the validity of the decision. After all, it is the same process that said Dance with the Wolves was better than Goodfellas, Forest Gump was better than The Shawshank Redemption, Shakespeare in Love was better than Private Ryan, Crash was better than Brokeback Mountain and Chicago was better than Lord of the Rings and The Pianist.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.
Remus said:
Moonlight, which actually won.
Wait.. what..

Is Oscar Bait one of those terms which has lost all meaning now, so we just throw it out to describe any movie which doesn't have explosions in it or is vaguely character and/or performance driven..

The academy does not have a terribly long history of picking movies about closeted black men. If you want to win an Oscar, statistically you really, really shouldn't make a movie about that. You should make a fluffy inspirational film about middle aged white people (preferably men) getting over disability or mental health issues, or white people single handedly solving racism, or if you absolutely must do something substantial make sure the source of the emotional trauma is something in the past which primarily affected white people, like world war 1 or the holocaust.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who thought Moonlight would win. It was critically acclaimed, but that doesn't mean anything with the academy. It won, essentially, because the dynamics of the academy have actually changed a lot in the past few years, and to be honest that's a good thing.
 

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hermes said:
Samtemdo8 said:
maninahat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies. And the King Speech was a good movie. Bob was probably just salty that it won over Toy Story 3. I mean this is the man that thinks Harry Potter and the Avengers should be nominated for Best Picture :p
I liked what Cracked suggested the Oscars do, and have a three year or so gap between when the movie comes out and when it comes up for an Oscar nomination. That way, the awards won't keep going to the decent-yet-forgettable-oscarbait and will go to the good movies that have stayed in the minds of the voters. Doing it that way, things like Harry Potter or Mad Max would actually win.
Why do you find most Oscarbait forgettable?

I did not find There Will Be Blood forgettable. I did not find Slumdog Millionaire forgettable.

Also just because a perticular movie won does not invalidate the quality of the other nominated movies.
There Will Be Blood and Slumdog Millionaire were not Oscarbait.

Oscarbait refers to movies that are hand made to get nominations. They are often period pieces and made to inspire nostalgia among voters, or just affirmation of how important the media is to changing the world. They are also premiered late in the year, because nominators have the attention span of a goldfish. Examples of oscarbait are "The Artist", a movie about movie nostalgia for people 70 and older; or "The King Speech" a movie that was premiered exclusively to Oscar voters and was about how monarchy teamed up with radio and sound movies to helped save the world from Nazis; or "Argo", a movie about how Hollywood was able to save hostages from a war zone.

That is not to say some of those movies aren't fine on their own right, but many are so forgettable that people barely remember them a couple years after the nomination.

And no, it does not invalidate the quality of the other movies, but it does cast shadow on the validity of the decision. After all, it is the same process that said Dance with the Wolves was better than Goodfellas, Forest Gump was better than The Shawshank Redemption, Shakespeare in Love was better than Private Ryan, Crash was better than Brokeback Mountain and Chicago was better than Lord of the Rings and The Pianist.
Personally, Dances with Wolves and Goodfellas are equal in quality and I say this as a big Scorsese fan.

Same with Shawshank, Forrest Gump, and Pulp Fiction, I mean come on how can Forrest Gump be forgettable and just made for the Oscars?! If anything Shawshank had more forgettable moments. But thats me.

Yes Yes we all know about Private Ryan vs Shakespeare in Love but there are factors:

1. There were backroom deals that made Shakespeare in Love won.

2. Mostly because well there has been epic War movies that won before and more deeper and personal than Saving Private Ryan. I mean Lawrance of Arabia and Deer Hunter and others.

Also I think the Pianist would have won if the Polish Jewish Characters were actually speaking in Polish aswell as the Russians speaking Russian or Lord of the Rings would have won if it was the extended version.

And speaking of Chicago:


I wonder what tickled the fancy of the Oscar voters at the time for this movie to win.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
maninahat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
SirSullymore said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Gethsemani said:
Remus said:
I'm glad La La land didn't win. A more white picture couldn't have been made. all technicolorful, cheery, and 1950s flavor, like it was made from a collective to be an oscar contender.
I struggle to think of any other movie that's as obviously Oscar Bait as La La Land. I suppose there's nothing really wrong with that, but it will invariably be a divisive movie since a lot of people will be ticked off by some of the more obviously baity choices made in production.
From what I hear, Moonlight is pretty damn Oscar-baity too.

Oscar Bait movies are still better movies than most movies churrened out by the Blockbuster scene.

Appearently being the best possible is considered bad :p
Oscar bait isn't synonymous with good, it means it ticks most or all of the check boxes on the list of things the academy likes. Moviebob defines it pretty well in his The King's Speech review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epsa4gQr3uc
Does not change the fact that the Academy has better taste in movies. And the King Speech was a good movie. Bob was probably just salty that it won over Toy Story 3. I mean this is the man that thinks Harry Potter and the Avengers should be nominated for Best Picture :p
I liked what Cracked suggested the Oscars do, and have a three year or so gap between when the movie comes out and when it comes up for an Oscar nomination. That way, the awards won't keep going to the decent-yet-forgettable-oscarbait and will go to the good movies that have stayed in the minds of the voters. Doing it that way, things like Harry Potter or Mad Max would actually win.
Why do you find most Oscarbait forgettable?

I did not find There Will Be Blood forgettable. I did not find Slumdog Millionaire forgettable.

Also just because a perticular movie won does not invalidate the quality of the other nominated movies.
It isn't just me who finds oscarbait movies forgettable. Perfectly decent movies like The Artist or The King's Speech or (arf!) La La Land tend to end up being a film you might remember watching, but not one you ever really rush to go back and watch again after a year or so. The argument is that these are movies that don't stay with the popular consciousness for very long; they don't become "classics", which is what the awards should ultimately be celebrating.
 

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So often the winners of best picture are movies I've never heard of and no one I've spoke to has ever heard of or if I have it's because the media have been talking about how this movie I've never heard of is going to win all the Oscars.

And it's things like that that make the ordinary people so disinterested in these awards.
 

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Bobular said:
So often the winners of best picture are movies I've never heard of and no one I've spoke to has ever heard of or if I have it's because the media have been talking about how this movie I've never heard of is going to win all the Oscars.

And it's things like that that make the ordinary people so disinterested in these awards.
Couldn't be argued that movies like moonlight or la la land has such specific audiences that mass marketing doesn't really work for them and so it would be better to appeal to the select audience?