Other M isn't Sexist.

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Megatheist

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Other M is certainly a lot of things to many that have bothered to play a Metroid game prior to this one, but it certainly isn't sexist. Much of the information revealed in game about Samus' past was actually released quite awhile ago in the form of a Manga [http://www.mechadrake.com/metroidmanga.html] that is recognized as cannon and actually does clear up many of the gaps and misunderstandings. I won't spoil any of the story in either medium (although I have included a link to allow you to read the manga) but I will say that simply because a strong woman is holding the approval of a man very high doesn't make her weak or the game and by extension team Ninja / Nintendo as sexist. It merely portrays her as above all, human. Had this game taken place early in Samus' career I'd feel inclined to agree with that criticism but to simply show a bond between to people that not only cared but respected each other greatly which then deteriorates because of past actions on both sides; speaks nothing of a gender struggle. If the roles had been reversed between Adam and Samus, this wouldn't have been an issue and in fact it could even serve as solid grounds for Samus to have left her post in the GF's Army.

I won't divulge the details between the conflict or past of Samus & Ridley and the significance that get's played out in game but I will say that if you were to have killed a monster that has done everything in it's power to make your life hell and your job as difficult as possible and it keeps coming back; male or female, you'd react the same way too.
 

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What is this about she can't turn on her fire proof armor until her boyfriend says it's okay? Just asking. Not familiar with the game, but just watched the review on escapist.
 

JourneyThroughHell

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I've looked up cutscenes, and, yes, it isn't sexist. It's just outright bad.

The voice acting for Samus is terrible, her dialogue is cringe-worthy and the drama was just laughable.

But, sexist? No.
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
I've looked up cutscenes, and, yes, it isn't sexist. It's just outright bad.

The voice acting for Samus is terrible, her dialogue is cringe-worthy and the drama was just laughable.

But, sexist? No.
exactly my thoughts but I beat it...
 

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Do the Japanese not have a middle ground between girly-girl princess and ball-stomping uber butch?
Yes... its called a Tsundere... Its the direct center of girly and *****...
 

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You make a decent point on the matter. Could just be coincidence that such a theme permiates it to a degree that reviews have skewed that way. Might just have to rent it some day and try it, even fighting past the ulcer that develops at such a thought.

Though the claim that it's not sexist extending to Team Ninja makes my brain hurt. If anything, it would be sexist by extension of having been worked on by Team Ninja. This is a development studio that's made a lot of news by being unrepentantly sexist, which created a physics engine dedicated to animating breasts as a selling features in fighting games. Why anyone not swimming in and drinking the guano that represents their level of crazy would combine the concepts of sex (arousal in particular) and violence is a concept that eludes me.

By sheer virtue of Team Ninja being in any way involved, I'm not surprised that it's been reviewed as being sexist. Most probably expected such and would easily be looking for it when playing or reviewing the game. It would take an incredibly dedicated person to analyze the game without bias and likely someone of superhuman self-control to be able to professionally do so on a very short time frame.
 

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misterprickly said:
KapnKerfuffle said:
What is this about she can't turn on her fire proof armor until her boyfriend says it's okay? Just asking. Not familiar with the game, but just watched the review on escapist.
I have to admit that I lost some serious respect for Samus when they did that.

In MY opinion Samus was the "tom-boy with a heart of gold", rough n tumble BUT still feminine.
This Samus is not that... She's like some princess that was thrown into a bad situation and told "Go fourth and do!"

What's up with that?!

Do the Japanese not have a middle ground between girly-girl princess and ball-stomping uber butch?
No. No they do not apparently. There is a third option of fetishized sex object, but thanks to the well established full suit of body armor, I suppose option three just wasn't available.

My problem with the game isn't that it may or may not be sexist. It isn't that the story is bad or the dialog is painful or the voice acting sounds like it was outsourced to a middle school drama club. I know the established metroid trope requires that I not be able to use certain powers. I know that the entire game is built around gradually unlocking abilities and the like. I know that this is something that has to happen and we need an excuse for such a thing each and every time.

But, really, did the excuse have to be so stupid? I can't use an ability because some loser arbitrarily says I can't? The man seems bent to sabotaging the entire mission from the word go. Hell, you'd be well within your rights to relieve the man of his command for incompetence so glaring that it borders on high reason, and to be honest I think space government would be incredibly pleased if you just skipped the whole trial business and threw him out the nearest airlock.
 

Megatheist

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KapnKerfuffle said:
What is this about she can't turn on her fire proof armor until her boyfriend says it's okay? Just asking. Not familiar with the game, but just watched the review on escapist.
To Be Fair, You do spend time in Norfair without the Varia Suit in Super Metroid so it could be Nintendo just testing your reflexes.

Also, Samus primarily works for the Galactic Federation meaning she has to observe the chain of command and their regulations when a CO is on site which is what has allowed her to enjoy so many freedoms on her missions because she plays by the rules.

We do the same thing with private mercenary contractors.
 

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Okuu_Fusion said:
misterprickly said:
Do the Japanese not have a middle ground between girly-girl princess and ball-stomping uber butch?
Yes... its called a Tsundere... Its the direct center of girly and *****...
It's hardly a middle ground when they switch between one side and the other. Girly girl who turns into a ***** on occasion, or ***** who turns into a girly girl on occasion. Not a balanced individual.
 

Zhukov

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I was under the impression that people weren't angry because the game is sexist.

Rather, they were annoyed because Samus's character was changed.

(I haven't played this or any other Metroid game, so I have no opinion on the matter.)
 

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Danzaivar said:
Okuu_Fusion said:
misterprickly said:
Do the Japanese not have a middle ground between girly-girl princess and ball-stomping uber butch?
Yes... its called a Tsundere... Its the direct center of girly and *****...
It's hardly a middle ground when they switch between one side and the other. Girly girl who turns into a ***** on occasion, or ***** who turns into a girly girl on occasion. Not a balanced individual.
I dated someone like that once, it was awful.
OT: I'm just glad there is another Metroid game.
 

Onyx Oblivion

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Has anyone dissing the story in this topic actually played the bloody thing?

Adam isn't her "boyfriend", he's basically her father figure, and her ex/current commanding officer.
 

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misterprickly said:
Do the Japanese not have a middle ground between girly-girl princess and ball-stomping uber butch?
About as much as Americans do.

Not to take sides, but American media is about the same. Different tropes, same extremes.
 

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It's not sexist, at least not intentionally; it just takes a potentially unique and powerful character and turns it completely generic and uninteresting. Coupled with a disastrously poor execution that leaves most of the characters making completely contradictory actions, it's very easy to assume it's sexist.
 

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It was made by the Japs, a very sexist nation and I am pretty sure it was made intentionally sexist to sell better to a nation built on sexual deviance.
 

Casual Shinji

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Honestly, I thought it was stupid that they turned the character into a chick to begin with instead of just having it remain a robot with an arm cannon.