Our generation's racism

[lacktheknack]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

I support that.

OT: If we manage basic sentience in AI, then there'll be the whole "What is the measure of a non-human" problem going. For further details, play Geneforge 1-5. Warning: Depressing.

 

[lacktheknack]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Islam is an organized religion. What do you think people think of when someone says Islam? Pop tarts?

Let me elucidate (I like using that word).

I'm fine with people being against organised religions in general. That's understandable to me.

I have a problem with someone hating faith, beliefs, or specific religions.

Why? That doesn't make sense to me.

Why would it be wrong for someone to hate a violent religion that says you should die if you try to leave and not dislike one that is non-violent? Not using any specifics btw.

Oh come off it. You're referring to Islam, aren't you?

You're aware that the Quran states that all Muslims, Christians, and Jews go directly to their own heaven, right? And that there's no lines about punishing those who leave?

And there's no replacement. Your theoretical organized religion doesn't even exist.

 

[Kanova]

Dont get broey with me brah, I think its disgusting how you generalize native americans like that. How can you say what they went trhough was less than what black went through? The Whites actively spread disease amongst the native's ranks. They actively slaughtered their children. We forced them to leave their lands, breaking promise after promise. I dont know where you live, but Natives have all but been wiped out. I think they make up something like a quarter of a percent of the population here in america. Just leave them alone, they have enough shit to deal with

Well where I am from they are everywhere, they are breeding like crazy dude. I think you are lucky for them to be rare there. They are legit worse then all the mexicans and blacks you have down there. Iono, we did that shit to the Indians because we just wanted their land. I always think that if we started to fuck with them they would put up a fight or something. You know, war. That thing humans do all the time but they didn't do shit until the very end. So shucks to them. Blacks were strung up and murdered for no reason besides being black. And yeah yeah yeah I know about the residential school system natives went through. Still, blacks had it pretty fucking bad. But yeah, they should have fought or rebelled or something. Blacks did, and wabam there they are today. Natives were either too stupid or nice to do that so they are where they are now. I mean they fought you guys and were fucked but they waited way to long. I don't know if I am getting that point across right, but there it is. Bro.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Tell that to Martin LK and Malcolm X. If it werent for the very serious threat of a full scale insurrection of minorities, the gov't would have done jack squat and we would still be going to separate schools, drinking form separate fountains, and shitting in separate bowls

Malcom X? You mean the racist who said that all white people are the devil and that JFK's death was justified, and a devout member for the Nation of Islam( a group that the southern-poverty law center has deemed to be a racist group? [http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nation-of-islam]). The guy who only at the end of his life realized how incredibly racist his views were and how racist the people [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam] he surrounded himself were?

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Considering how often the response to this question here is the pretentious sounding "theres no such thing as race and racism because we're all the same race. what are we going tos tart hating aliens?) I dont know.

Id say more than anyhting its going to be the religious. I know atheists like to say they're the most downtroddened and hated because saying you dont believe in god is like saying you find joy in raping women for the shits and giggles of them screaming but in all reality theyre nto and its not. and I can only wait for the hypocrisy when the atheists start treating the religious the horrible ways they're supposedly treated.

They already do, go look at how the Tibetan people are treated by the PRC and how Tibetan Buddhism is treated.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Tell that to Martin LK and Malcolm X. If it werent for the very serious threat of a full scale insurrection of minorities, the gov't would have done jack squat and we would still be going to separate schools, drinking form separate fountains, and shitting in separate bowls

Malcom X? You mean the racist who said that all white people are the devil and that JFK's death was justified, and a devout member for the Nation of Islam( a group that the southern-poverty law center has deemed to be a racist group? [http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nation-of-islam]). The guy who only at the end of his life realized how incredibly racist his views were and how racist the people [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam] he surrounded himself were?

Yea that guy, the one who incited REAL change. If it werent for him, MLK wouldnt have had even close to the amount of leverage he did with white people. Malcolm X fucking scared white people, before malcolm x, mlk was doing alright, but the establishment never gave a shit. But then malcolm x lit a fire under all their asses and white folk went "Holy Shit! Ok okokok we'll take the nice guy see black people? We're doing it ok civil rights for everybody just ignore that malcolm x guy". And then they killed him.

Spoiler: ........

Please provide me with the academic level sources that support such claims, because otherwise what you are saying is complete nonsense.

 

[lacktheknack]

Tell that to Martin LK and Malcolm X. If it werent for the very serious threat of a full scale insurrection of minorities, the gov't would have done jack squat and we would still be going to separate schools, drinking form separate fountains, and shitting in separate bowls

Malcom X? You mean the racist who said that all white people are the devil and that JFK's death was justified, and a devout member for the Nation of Islam( a group that the southern-poverty law center has deemed to be a racist group? [http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nation-of-islam]). The guy who only at the end of his life realized how incredibly racist his views were and how racist the people [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam] he surrounded himself were?

Yea that guy, the one who incited REAL change. If it werent for him, MLK wouldnt have had even close to the amount of leverage he did with white people. Malcolm X fucking scared white people, before malcolm x, mlk was doing alright, but the establishment never gave a shit. But then malcolm x lit a fire under all their asses and white folk went "Holy Shit! Ok okokok we'll take the nice guy see black people? We're doing it ok civil rights for everybody just ignore that malcolm x guy". And then they killed him.

Spoiler: ........

Please provide me with the academic level sources that support such claims, because otherwise what you are saying is complete nonsense.

HH you wont find everything thats true in a history book, sometimes it takes a little independent thinking and seeing between the lines. Read some Chomsky or Zinn sometime

edit: especially since The whole topic of malcolm x has been basically taboo since the civil rights movement ended

double edit: one thing you cannot deny was that he was a powerful speaker, a man with genuine, dark anger in his soul, a very bright and intelligent man

You can't adjust history with a little independent thinking... Powerful and intelligent speaker or not.

 

[Darknacht]

they never will "get over it", its not something you can get over, any more than blacks can get over the fact that their ancestors were enslaved and ridiculed and persecuted for centuries. THey will never "get over" that.

I know plenty of Irish people that don't hold the atrocities committed against there ancestors against people of British descent. It is absurd to claim that their racism is in anyway acceptable or tolerable just because their ancestors where oppressed by some one of the same skin color as mine, would it be tolerable if eastern Europeans hated all Asians because of the Mongol conquest, no of course not. The racism held by some Natives is not really any different than Kanova's, they are both wrong.

The two are very different, what happened to the natives was genocide, not war.

Wiping out most of the native population of an area through slaughter and starvation with the intent of settling your own people there is genocide even if its Europeans doing it to Europeans. They were both war and genocide, you can think of Ireland as England's trial run for colonial conquest.

Yeah well at least they got to live, True Native americans are about as common as 4 headed kangaroos, I'm not sure we even left them with a even feasible gene pool. The women were all taken by white men that much i know, I'm not sure what the men did though. When I think about the shit I went through as a half ***** growing up, I cant imagine what the half indians kids had to go through back in the 17,1800's, it must've been hell. Thats how you disenfranchise a people man, kill all the men and take all the women, and watch as their sons hate you forever, which passes on to their kids, so on so forth, until the Natives forget who they are, why they're even angry, but they know their angry. Textbook disenfranchisement brought to you by good old US and A

At one point the English killed over 80% of the Irish population, and then basically used them as a slave force for 300 years that breads some fairly strong hatred. I'm not saying that its worse then what happened to the Natives but its still really bad and there is still allot of hate in some people. I know why Natives hate, I am part(a very small part) Native and I am related to full Natives by marriage, I am not saying that that I don't understand, I am saying that hating people that did nothing to you is wrong. I am of Irish ancestry and I would gut Cromwell on the spot if he hadn't died hundreds of years ago, but that does not give me a free excuse to hate all English people and it certainly doesn't give me an excuse hate all Germanic people.

if you think malcolm x played no major role in the success of the civil rights movement, you are ignant

Your definitely right there, no one person made the civil rights movement happen and Malcolm X should not be ignored just because he had some extreme views earlier in his life.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

yes Im sure the wholesale destruction of their race by whites plays no part in how disenfranchised the native american people are, shame on them for being depressed about something that happened 400 years ago

Almost certain you are being sarcastic, but all the same, who the fuck gives a shit. Not sure the majority of them needs to be a trashy piece of shit because of what happened generations and generations ago. There should be a lot of them that are trying to be better people, but I don't see it, I don't hear it so I don't think they are. So as far as I am concerned, they should not get special privileges because that is bullshit, they should not get free stuff (Oh look at me I am drunk every day and a druggy bastard and live in a shitty house because I have no clue how to take care of myself or possessions but still get free money and can afford new trucks that will soon be a shitty because I am scum) and they should just be treated like everyone else. I am sure they will soon die off and I am fine with that.

What kind of Indians are you talking about?

Native Americans. You know, the useless piles of flesh that is more alcohol than human. At least that is how they are in Canada.


Ugh, I get seriously rustled when it comes to racism.

Yeah, I'm an American Indian, and I don't drink, do drugs, or get any special privileges. I also have have a college education, and am now attending graduate school. Nevertheless, keep it up with that old school racism, I'm sure the hatred will eat you up inside like a cancer. Also, thanks for the motivation.

 

[Soods]

I think the good old racism is still healthy and kicking, here in Finland atleast (fifty miles north of Nowhere). People still use very offensive names, such as:

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Raghead for muslims
****** for the people with darker skin

In addition in the latest parliamentary election, the nationalistic party rose from ~5% to 19% making it the 2nd biggest party in our parliament (the biggest is 20.4%). Many of these new congressmen have then used the previosly mentioned names when referring to immigrants etc. I hope civilization reaches this backwater country before the next millennium.

 

[FunGuy155]

Since I live in Singapore, there is always a mix of Indians,Malays,Eurasians and Chinese,with the latter being the highest in percentage. We're brought up to the point where we pretty much joke about being racist. But enough of that, back on topic.
My gen will probably be bigoted towards homosexuals. Though I have no problem with it, I seem to run into instances where people around me truly think being gay is weird and people who are should be shunned upon. This might be because I'm around teens mostly. I even got myself saying the word gay as though it were an insult mostly due to the word being so loosely used around me,hence, I too have been corrupted. I'm not sure when it'll be before I see actual gays being shunned but really, I hope I never have to.
As for other races, I know teens will be ecstatic around them, but adults, I'm not sure. I'll find out in a couple years and see then.

 

[Kanova]

Yeah, I'm an American Indian, and I don't drink, do drugs, or get any special privileges. I also have have a college education, and am now attending graduate school. Nevertheless, keep it up with that old school racism, I'm sure the hatred will eat you up inside like a cancer. Also, thanks for the motivation.

I only get all hatreded when I think about how useless the ones I see are and how they get shit for free. And I only think about it when I drive by and see their new truck that they didn't do anything to get or when someone brings up racism.

 

[StBishop]

The religion does no such thing.

I think it's a little rich to assume that all Muslims are the same, and are all in the dark ages while complaining about bigotry.

I know a number of Muslims personally and I find them to be caring, respectful, regular people. Islam is not the problem here, extremism is.

Try getting a hold of a Qur'an translation some time. It's not full of hatred. Quite the opposite in fact.

I have one right next to me and it is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read(and dreadfully fucking boring). You are a liar and a islamophile. It's a fascist ideology that is both violent and corrupt too its core. I never claimed they are all like that but the ones who do support said part of islam are not exactly few in number either. They are far from a "small minorty of extremists". And they are stuck in the dark ages mentally. Ive known a few great people who were muslims but their numbers are underwhelming in comparison to the racist, homophobic, anti-semitic violent horde of muslims that are their opposite. Who cry persecution when in fact they are the criminals. The persecution of jews was non-existant in Sweden until recently. Now it's common practice in the southern muslim occupied parts of Sweden to spit, harass and violently assault jews on the streets with no action from law enforcement or government.

Sorry for the long time between posts. I had to sleep.

I don't appreciate being called a liar, we differ in opinion and that's allowed.

You obviously derive a very different meaning from the Qur'an than, well, anyone I've ever known.

I've never met an extremist personally so I can't comment on their frequency. We've obviously had vastly different experiences with Islam and I won't fault you for making assumptions based on your experiences. I just ask that, perhaps when travelling, you don't assume all Muslims act in the same way as the ones local to you do.