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SecondPrize said:
Clearing the Eye said:
SecondPrize said:
I do not at all want to suggest that this sort of behavior is acceptable from attractive people, that it's OK coming from sexual harassment Fluttershy but not...
For all the guys who say they wouldn't mind this, replace the ponies with big beefy gay dudes who work out a lot, but keep all the text. Now how do you feel about it?
That is more to the point. Although the point really is that brony 2012 will NEVER get to relate on an equal level, only as dat magic ass, but that's just way too tough.
Big beefy gay guy? Fuck yes. Sign me up for hot gay guys drooling all over me XD
I'm afraid you're going to have to go with the original ponies.
Ponies? Like, actual ponies? Or the cute fans hitting on the guy? 'Cause if it's the latter, yes please! Not so much the former. Well... Actually, a horse capable of coming on to me might be kind of cool XD
 

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MetalMagpie said:
canadamus_prime said:
Wow, I'm glad I'm not a brony and I don't attend conventions. Also double standard much.
It's not about bronies at all.

The article the description links to [http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/booth-babes-need-not-apply/?hpt=hp_c3] is written by a guy complaining that some girls go to conventions "just to get attention". So the comic is making a point that questioning someone's right to be at a convention on the basis of their gender is stupid, by reversing the genders for comic effect. (The three women act like bad stereotypes of chauvinistic men. One of them is even smoking a cigar, which is seen as a very male trait.)

The comic isn't suggesting that bronies experience undue hostility (or sexually harassment) at conventions. It's suggesting that women do. Which is a debate best left at arm's length! (And behind a flame shield.)
Oh. I suppose it would've helped if I'd actually read that article.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
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trollpwner said:
ZippyDSMlee said:
I want girls to hit on me like that ;_;
A-ha! I now know your IRL name! Nyuh-nyuh-nyuh-nyuh!

OT: Having thought about it, I think that making generalizations about anything in the sexism debate is playing with fire. Sexism should be tackled on an individual basis, or you're just going to piss people off.

CAPTCHA: Geronimo.

Indeed.
Say it 3 times in the mirror for surprise butt secks!
Tell me your name and let's do this shit! Bad choice of word? >_>
Its zippy of course =^_~=
 

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MetalMagpie said:
Ohlookit said:
What are you guys smoking? I really hope that this sort of thing doesn't go on at pony cons
It's not about bronies at all.

The article the description links to [http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/booth-babes-need-not-apply/?hpt=hp_c3] is written by a guy complaining that some girls go to conventions "just to get attention". So the comic is making a point that questioning someone's right to be at a convention on the basis of their gender is stupid, by reversing the genders for comic effect. (The three women act like bad stereotypes of chauvinistic men. One of them is even smoking a cigar, which is seen as a very male trait.)

The comic isn't suggesting that bronies experience undue hostility (or sexually harassment) at conventions. It's suggesting that women do. Which is a debate best left at arm's length! (And behind a flame shield.)
I get that and I remember that argument made about girls going to cons like this just to get attention // I'm just posting for the humor of it

The comic does a decent job of shows us what goes on at these cons by reversing the rolls

-M
 

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Really? How do you guys know the difference between a woman who is a fan and one that is not? Are there not women just open enough with their sexuality that they are comfortable dressing as the sexually charged women in games and comics that they love?

Are you guys going up and trying to talk to these women and they don't want to talk to you? Is that where you assume they are just posers, trying to grab your attention, and walking around like they are goddesses? Because they don't want to talk to you?


Right. That totally makes complete, utter sense. I can't help but feel like this is bordering on the whole concept that a woman deserves to be raped because of how she is dressed. The idea that a woman's body parts have that much control over a man, that it's unfair to the man for her to have those body parts.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
It's exceptionally dishonest to compare someone in jeans and T-shirt to someone wearing the most sexualized, revealing and provocative outfit possible.

Someone wearing casual clothes: probably not after attention.

Someone wearing very little; short, revealing clothes and behaving outwardly flamboyant: maybe looking for attention.
Every girl I know who is geeky has been accused of wanting attention, no matter what they were wearing at the time.

As I said before, people can say that it only applies to people who are looking for attention, but it doesn't. Lots of guys now just treat any girl with an interest in anything geeky as someone who is there for attention.

Jeans and a T-shirt is exactly what I was wearing the last time I got told I was there for attention.
 

Clearing the Eye

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Phasmal said:
Clearing the Eye said:
It's exceptionally dishonest to compare someone in jeans and T-shirt to someone wearing the most sexualized, revealing and provocative outfit possible.

Someone wearing casual clothes: probably not after attention.

Someone wearing very little; short, revealing clothes and behaving outwardly flamboyant: maybe looking for attention.
Every girl I know who is geeky has been accused of wanting attention, no matter what they were wearing at the time.

As I said before, people can say that it only applies to people who are looking for attention, but it doesn't. Lots of guys now just treat any girl with an interest in anything geeky as someone who is there for attention.

Jeans and a T-shirt is exactly what I was wearing the last time I got told I was there for attention.
The comic is about a specific article someone wrote, flaming a group of people wearing proactive outfits and behaving in an overt, "look at me" way. They commented that they don't like "booth babes" showing up to conventions to stand around and get ogled. They weren't talking about average people at all.

The OP and their comic (like many here) missed the point and jumped right to assuming the article was referring to women, period. As such, I said it is dishonest to draw a comic with a very mundane man. For honesty, if the OP was genuinely trying to comment on the actual point of the article, the man would be wearing tight, revealing clothes and flexing. Their mistake or dishonesty has ended with many people here assuming the article was about women at conventions, period.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
The comic is about a specific article someone wrote, flaming a group of people wearing proactive outfits and behaving in an overt, "look at me" way. They commented that they don't like "booth babes" showing up to conventions to stand around and get ogled. They weren't talking about average people at all.

The OP and their comic (like many here) missed the point and jumped right to assuming the article was referring to women, period. As such, I said it is dishonest to draw a comic with a very mundane man. For honesty, if the OP was genuinely trying to comment on the actual point of the article, the man would be wearing tight, revealing clothes and flexing. Their mistake or dishonesty has ended with many people here assuming the article was about women at conventions, period.
I know what the article is about, but you can't just say `We're talking about this group of people and it doesn't affect others` because it does.
There are way more women who go to cons because they have a real interest, but they all get tarred with the same brush.
Acceptance of women in geeky spaces is an issue and this kind of article only creates resentment by people who wrongly assume they can tell who is a `real geek` and who isn't.

If the general community didn't constantly stereotype me and others of my gender as only being there for attention, it wouldn't bother me. Because yes those people exist.
But really those people are doing less harm in my opinion than people going around and assuming that every female is there to get attention.
 

Clearing the Eye

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Phasmal said:
Clearing the Eye said:
The comic is about a specific article someone wrote, flaming a group of people wearing proactive outfits and behaving in an overt, "look at me" way. They commented that they don't like "booth babes" showing up to conventions to stand around and get ogled. They weren't talking about average people at all.

The OP and their comic (like many here) missed the point and jumped right to assuming the article was referring to women, period. As such, I said it is dishonest to draw a comic with a very mundane man. For honesty, if the OP was genuinely trying to comment on the actual point of the article, the man would be wearing tight, revealing clothes and flexing. Their mistake or dishonesty has ended with many people here assuming the article was about women at conventions, period.
I know what the article is about, but you can't just say `We're talking about this group of people and it doesn't affect others` because it does.
There are way more women who go to cons because they have a real interest, but they all get tarred with the same brush.
Acceptance of women in geeky spaces is an issue and this kind of article only creates resentment by people who wrongly assume they can tell who is a `real geek` and who isn't.

If the general community didn't constantly stereotype me and others of my gender as only being there for attention, it wouldn't bother me. Because yes those people exist.
But really those people are doing less harm in my opinion than people going around and assuming that every female is there to get attention.
The point is, the OP was firing back at a specific article and they did so incorrectly.

Yes, some people get accused of being out for attention when they clearly aren't. However, this article isn't about that and the comic shouldn't have referred to it. Make the argument, fine. Good. Awesome. Don't misrepresent a genuine article as misogynistic and sexist.

The OP did what many people do nowadays: see criticism of people that happen to be women, ignore all the context and jump to claim sexism.

rhodo said:
I think claiming to "enjoy sexual harassment" means you don't know what sexual harassment is. Sadly, this is true for many males.
You can enjoy harassment. You can enjoy pain. You can enjoy suffering, sadness, torture and humiliation. You're either painfully stubborn or spectacularly uninformed. Just because something causes discomfort, doesn't mean you can't want it. I happen to rather enjoy masochistic women (I'm bi, but masochistic men doesn't do much for me, oddly). The women I am sexually attracted or involved with want to be hurt to varying degrees and want to be made to suffer. Just because they enjoy it, doesn't mean it's any less unpleasant or painful--and that's the entire point, they want the bad things. Being cut, flogged or reduced to tears from pain doesn't mean it didn't suck. It just happened to suck in just the right way, lol.

Your refusal to accept or understand a mindset doesn't erase it. I won't go into detail (because who the fuck are you, lol) but I've enjoyed some terrible situations in the past, not the least of which included self-mutilation and intense pain.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
The point is, the OP was firing back at a specific article and they did so incorrectly.

Yes, some people get accused of being out for attention when they clearly aren't. However, this article isn't about that and the comic shouldn't have referred to it. Make the argument, fine. Good. Awesome. Don't misrepresent a genuine article as misogynistic and sexist.

The OP did what many people do nowadays: see criticism of people that happen to be women, ignore all the context and jump to claim sexism.
Perhaps they saw the article the same way I did, something completely unhelpful and something that will just cause more people to perpetuate this dumb stereotype that gets aimed more at people who arent there for attention than who are.
Either way, I can see why you object to it, I don't particularly agree, but I'm big enough not to go `U R WRONG!`. Agree to disgaree and all that.
Now I think I'm gonna go make a cake.
 

Clearing the Eye

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Phasmal said:
Clearing the Eye said:
The point is, the OP was firing back at a specific article and they did so incorrectly.

Yes, some people get accused of being out for attention when they clearly aren't. However, this article isn't about that and the comic shouldn't have referred to it. Make the argument, fine. Good. Awesome. Don't misrepresent a genuine article as misogynistic and sexist.

The OP did what many people do nowadays: see criticism of people that happen to be women, ignore all the context and jump to claim sexism.
Perhaps they saw the article the same way I did, something completely unhelpful and something that will just cause more people to perpetuate this dumb stereotype that gets aimed more at people who arent there for attention than who are.
Either way, I can see why you object to it, I don't particularly agree, but I'm big enough not to go `U R WRONG!`. Agree to disgaree and all that.
Now I think I'm gonna go make a cake.
How rude. Flaunting your baking skills up in my face like that. Down right cruel!

*goes back to eating cereal, the only thing he can make* T^T
 

Benni88

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Sexual harassment aside, looking at this in the context of the topic in question.... too funny...
 

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The really funny part is, depending on which con you go to, you may really run into this situation as a guy. (Pittsburgh Comicon a few years back, though for anime, not MLP)
 

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MetalMagpie said:
tehweave said:
I wanna say that never happens, but... I've never been to a con dressed as a brony. (Yes, I am still in the 'brony' closet. Eventually, I'll tell my friends about it. Hopefully they'll be supportive.)
Scrustle said:
I had no idea this kind of thing happened. Seems like the reverse of the whole fake gamer girl phenomenon.
Tony2077 said:
this is why i may like the series but i don't ever plan to go to a con
Ohlookit said:
What are you guys smoking? I really hope that this sort of thing doesn't go on at pony cons
canadamus_prime said:
Wow, I'm glad I'm not a brony and I don't attend conventions. Also double standard much.
It's not about bronies at all.

The article the description links to [http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/24/booth-babes-need-not-apply/?hpt=hp_c3] is written by a guy complaining that some girls go to conventions "just to get attention". So the comic is making a point that questioning someone's right to be at a convention on the basis of their gender is stupid, by reversing the genders for comic effect. (The three women act like bad stereotypes of chauvinistic men. One of them is even smoking a cigar, which is seen as a very male trait.)

The comic isn't suggesting that bronies experience undue hostility (or sexually harassment) at conventions. It's suggesting that women do. Which is a debate best left at arm's length! (And behind a flame shield.)
i don't really care who its about the people there make me not want to go within 100km of a con any of them