Pacific Rim sucks.

[Fox12]

The movie sucked, it sucked increadbly bad.

Everything about this movie was unremarkable as fuck. Just stick to watching Gundam and Evangelion guys.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what I did after seeing the film. It didn't help that it felt like a Rei Ayanami fanfiction. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was bad, but as someone who wasn't already a huge Kaiju fan, it came across as kind of average.

And why do people put Guillermo Del Toro on a fuckin pedestal again?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Yes, you're totally correct. I shall always remember that scene in Suicide Squad where... um... Will Smith shot a bunch of grey people? Also I think there was some fire?

Also that time where Murderman fought Superfrown. Truly a classic for the ages.

Eh, to be fair, I will always remember that bit in the 3rd Batman film where the police wear their nice uniforms and slowly walk in close formations towards the hordes of people with machine guns that are about to open fire and this is a good idea somehow, because...no.

You mean Dark Knight Rises?

I seem to remember that it worked out for them. The bad dudes all somehow forgot to open fire until the police were within baton range and then they all had a big bloodless punch-up.

Clearly those cops knew something we didn't!

Well, there was that bit where the Gatling guns started firing sleep pellets so everybody went and took a nap.

 

[Fox12]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

To be fair, that has nothing to do with quality. Otherwise Michael Bay is the greatest director in the world. And while it did well, I wouldn't call it a resounding success. The studios didn't even want a sequel.

And if you could imagine Superman throwing the spear you could also imagine Doomsday easily dodging said spear.

But of course we are having this conversation because you had to mention DC movies.

Dude, you mentioned the DC movies.

If you throw the spear and miss, then pick it back up and throw it again. Or, better yet, give it to Wonder Woman, who seemed really good at stabbing Doomsday with pointy objects.

 

[Kolby Jack]

If you actually watched the giant robots fight giant monsters movie for the plot and the dialogue, then perhaps you're not ready for movies, especially not this one.

Besides which, all the characters were meant to be archetypes. Easily digestible characterchures of Anime and Western tropes so that we all know what they're about because we've seen them a hundred times before. We know all of them from the get-go because we were meant to. They're not supposed to be Shakespearean characters, alas and alack with angst and drama, they're condensed and concentrated heroes distilled from a thousand shows and stories from our childhood.

To be honest, that argument kind of falls on its face. If a movie has dialogue and plot, it's going to be judged. They made the movie and published it for all the world to see; it doesn't matter if some people think some parts count for more or less than others. It's all out there, it all gets judged.

 

[King Billi]

If you actually watched the giant robots fight giant monsters movie for the plot and the dialogue, then perhaps you're not ready for movies, especially not this one.

And so on and so forth...

That's just the thing though, even viewing it purely for the shallow thrill of giant monsters and rocket punches the movie is still incredibly lackluster. The action in this film was no different than any of the Transformers films I've seen yet apparently they don't get away with just being an entertaining spectacle.

I'm not familiar with any of the mecha series or whatnot that inspired this movie and if all that is required to fully appreciate it then so be it, but even just looking for some cool giant robot action, I think this movie could have done better, something more interesting. I would have expected Del Toro to be able to do better.

Ron Perlmans character was pretty awesome though.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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Well yes, in that you can judge dialogue and the movie has dialogue. In that light, sure, judge away. Just know its not the point of the movie. The dialogue, and indeed the plot are weak framing devises for the actual point of the movie, giant robots inspired by 50+ years of Western and Japanese culture fighting giant monsters inspired by 50+ yadda yadda.

Just like no one watched Saving Private Ryan for its excellent portrayal of typewriters, or Resident Evil for its stunningly accurate use of key-card based security systems. These things exist, and in so much as we can judge things that exist, we can judge them. But they're not the point. Not by a long shot.

To be fair, there needed to be more fighting. They should have cut out the two goofy scientist and had an entire other Jaegar and Kaiju fight.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

If you actually watched the giant robots fight giant monsters movie for the plot and the dialogue, then perhaps you're not ready for movies, especially not this one.

Besides which, all the characters were meant to be archetypes. Easily digestible characterchures of Anime and Western tropes so that we all know what they're about because we've seen them a hundred times before. We know all of them from the get-go because we were meant to. They're not supposed to be Shakespearean characters, alas and alack with angst and drama, they're condensed and concentrated heroes distilled from a thousand shows and stories from our childhood.



I mean for fucks sake, Mako is literally supposed to be Rey from Evangelion!

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and the Jaegars! Tatic Ronin is an Eva and Coyote Tango is a Mobil Suit!

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Not to mention the Kaiju! Seem familiar? King Kong. And a 3rd-tier fucking knife-headed Godzilla monsters!

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And that's the whole point! It doesn't stand on it own because its not supposed to. Its a love-letter to Kaiju and Mecha fans, and if you're not one of those, then yeah, this movie isn't for you. At all. In any way.

You think that I would only watch a Mecha property for the plot and charcaters alone?

I was raised on things like this:

 

[Kolby Jack]

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Well yes, in that you can judge dialogue and the movie has dialogue. In that light, sure, judge away. Just know its not the point of the movie. The dialogue, and indeed the plot are weak framing devises for the actual point of the movie, giant robots inspired by 50+ years of Western and Japanese culture fighting giant monsters inspired by 50+ yadda yadda.

Just like no one watched Saving Private Ryan for its excellent portrayal of typewriters, or Resident Evil for its stunningly accurate use of key-card based security systems. These things exist, and in so much as we can judge things that exist, we can judge them. But they're not the point. Not by a long shot.

To be fair, there needed to be more fighting. They should have cut out the two goofy scientist and had an entire other Jaegar and Kaiju fight.

Typewriters and key cards didn't comprise the bulk of the movie. Pacific Rim had a lot of dialogue, and it sucked. Just because that particular aspect doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it shouldn't matter for someone else. Once an artist puts his work in front of an audience, it's up to them to judge. He can say which parts do and don't matter more, but he has no control over how people see it.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

Success? Its box office is even lower than Warcraft. And Pacific Rim had a higher budget.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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Well yes, in that you can judge dialogue and the movie has dialogue. In that light, sure, judge away. Just know its not the point of the movie. The dialogue, and indeed the plot are weak framing devises for the actual point of the movie, giant robots inspired by 50+ years of Western and Japanese culture fighting giant monsters inspired by 50+ yadda yadda.

Just like no one watched Saving Private Ryan for its excellent portrayal of typewriters, or Resident Evil for its stunningly accurate use of key-card based security systems. These things exist, and in so much as we can judge things that exist, we can judge them. But they're not the point. Not by a long shot.

To be fair, there needed to be more fighting. They should have cut out the two goofy scientist and had an entire other Jaegar and Kaiju fight.

Typewriters and key cards didn't comprise the bulk of the movie. Pacific Rim had a lot of dialogue, and it sucked. Just because that particular aspect doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it shouldn't matter for someone else. Once an artist puts his work in front of an audience, it's up to them to judge. He can say which parts do and don't matter more, but he has no control over how people see it.

And also if the movie was all about the action, why was so much of the movie's screentime was taken up by all the talking and character interactions?

 

[Erttheking]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

Success? Its box office is even lower than Warcraft. And Pacific Rim had a higher budget.

An original IP made less money than a movie that shares the name with one of the biggest and most successful video game franchises of all time that offered a free copy of World of Warcraft to anyone who bought a ticket? (And with the gap not REALLY being that big?)

How does that prove anything?

 

[Parasondox]

You didnt need to lose your shit over it. You disliked, that's fine. People liked it, that's also fine. The characters were forgettable. Everything else was good. More giant robot, giant monsters fighting.

NO SYFY!! NOT FROM YOU. BACK INTO YOUR CAGE!

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

To be fair, that has nothing to do with quality. Otherwise Michael Bay is the greatest director in the world. And while it did well, I wouldn't call it a resounding success. The studios didn't even want a sequel.

And if you could imagine Superman throwing the spear you could also imagine Doomsday easily dodging said spear.

But of course we are having this conversation because you had to mention DC movies.

Dude, you mentioned the DC movies.

If you throw the spear and miss, then pick it back up and throw it again. Or, better yet, give it to Wonder Woman, who seemed really good at stabbing Doomsday with pointy objects.

There is not a single reference of the DC movies in my OP. Zhukov was the first to mention it.

Or you could imagine Doomsday grabing it after Superman or Wonder Woman using it and break said spear like he'll crush the Kryptonite tip with his feet.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

Success? Its box office is even lower than Warcraft. And Pacific Rim had a higher budget.

An original IP made less money than a movie that shares the name with one of the biggest and most successful video game franchises of all time that offered a free copy of World of Warcraft to anyone who bought a ticket? (And with the gap not REALLY being that big?)

How does that prove anything?

Because of the Hollywood standard. A Blockbuster movie needs to make 700 million to 1 billion dollars to be viable for Sequals.

Both movies got 400 mil.

You didnt need to lose your shit over it. You disliked, that's fine. People liked it, that's also fine. The characters were forgettable. Everything else was good. More giant robot, giant monsters fighting.

NO SYFY!! NOT FROM YOU. BACK INTO YOUR CAGE!

It was one of those movies that dissipointed me, how hard is it to find a competant protaginist with acting chops and a recognizable face.

And it convinces me that Mecha just won't work in Movie format, which is a why it was always at home as a series.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I don't know if I'd say it sucked, but it definitely was painfully mediocre. Some of the action was pretty good (like the big showdown in the city), but most of it was kind of unmemorable. I also agree that having the fights take place mostly at night or during poor visibility was a detriment. The characters were boring and there was a bunch of stupid stuff that was more about getting the shot than making sense. For example, why is the main character not informed about his best close range weapon until the end of a fight when it was almost too late? Seriously, he should have been using that sword throughout the entire fight. Why use a ship as a club when you can chop the monster to pieces with your sword? Is it because she's Asian and they needed to go with the stereotypical "ancient people unlock the sword weapon" bullshit?

 

[Erttheking]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

Success? Its box office is even lower than Warcraft. And Pacific Rim had a higher budget.

An original IP made less money than a movie that shares the name with one of the biggest and most successful video game franchises of all time that offered a free copy of World of Warcraft to anyone who bought a ticket? (And with the gap not REALLY being that big?)

How does that prove anything?

Because of the Hollywood standard. A Blockbuster movie needs to make 700 million to 1 billion dollars to be viable for Sequals.

Both movies got 400 mil.

An argument that falls apart when you remember that Pacific Rim 2 is in the works. I have no idea where you got that arbitrary number, but it's blatantly false. Not just now, but there are plenty of sequels that happened when the original film got under 700 million. Usually most of them. Fuck, even the MARVEL MOVIES didn't make that much money until the Avengers! And even then, Ant-Man only made 500 million.

 

[Rip Van Rabbit]

Can't say I agree. Great music, great visuals, interesting mech designs (Cherno Alpha -- Why do the good die young!?) and an intriguing concept. I treated it like a love letter to mecha fans, impractical as fuck, but appreciated and fun nonetheless.

If I had to level criticism at it, I would say that I was really disappointed that the more interesting robots & pilots were wrecked waaaaay too early in the story. On the topic of story, less exposition and a tighter focus on the pilots and smaller-scale kaiju mook combat would have helped a lot. So it did feel quite bloated for what it was.

Regardless, it was refreshing to watch at the time.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over its resounding success, so with all due respect, that's an unpopular opinion only.

Success? Its box office is even lower than Warcraft. And Pacific Rim had a higher budget.

An original IP made less money than a movie that shares the name with one of the biggest and most successful video game franchises of all time that offered a free copy of World of Warcraft to anyone who bought a ticket? (And with the gap not REALLY being that big?)

How does that prove anything?

Because of the Hollywood standard. A Blockbuster movie needs to make 700 million to 1 billion dollars to be viable for Sequals.

Both movies got 400 mil.

An argument that falls apart when you remember that Pacific Rim 2 is in the works. I have no idea where you got that arbitrary number, but it's blatantly false. Not just now, but there are plenty of sequels that happened when the original film got under 700 million. Usually most of them. Fuck, even the MARVEL MOVIES didn't make that much money until the Avengers! And even then, Ant-Man only made 500 million.

Because Avengers, and Iron Man 3 and Hobbit 1, made the standard.

 

[Scarim Coral]

You think it sucked.

Ok.

I don't think it sucked. To each his own.

Same well it was my favourite Summer movie of that year!

It's just a simply mindless actiony brawl kind of movie, what more do you want?

Beside it got a killer themetune!

Can't say I agree. Great music, great visuals, interesting mech designs (Cherno Alpha -- Why do the good die young!?) and an intriguing concept. I treated it like a love letter to mecha fans, impractical as fuck, but appreciated and fun nonetheless.

If I had to level criticism at it, I would say that I was really disappointed that the more interesting robots & pilots were wrecked waaaaay too early in the story. On the topic of story, less exposition and a tighter focus on the pilots and smaller-scale kaiju mook combat would have helped a lot. So it did feel quite bloated for what it was.

Regardless, it was refreshing to watch at the time.

While I do agreed with you but I guessing the reason while Chemo Alpha and Crimson Tyhoon bite the dust so early was simply becase we weren't suppose to be focusing on them and focus on Gyspy Danger.

OT- So what's the point of this thread? Another "stop liking what I don't like" thread?

 

[Erttheking]

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Uh, again. Pacific Rim 2 is in the works. Your statement of a movie needing 700 million for a sequel? Factually untrue.