I would say that any reasonable law system works under the premise that if you commit a crime, you get punished and after that you are free to live a normal life within the constrains of the law. These people obviously have no such possibilities, hence the laws are unreasonable. It also strikes me as an extremely bad idea to brand a person as a pedophile for the rest of their life(it is no secret that people generally act as people expect them to act, so by branding people pedophiles and forcing them to live apart from society you are defiantly increasing the chances of them repeating their crimes)
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This is the only thing that makes sense to me, as far as looking at the problem practically is concerned. You have a paedophile. Now, the law isn't going to let you execute him, or chemically castrate him, or keep him locked away for fifty years, no matter how big your Daily Mail vengence erection is.Lt. Sera said:What Mr. Sarcasm saidKnight Templar said:
Keep treating them like shit rather then trying to help them live with the affliction that they have. After they've done their time, people should be helped in trying to get back as a functioning member of society. For paedophiles this should of course come with several obvious limits (no living/working near children etc) but branding them publicly and treating them like shit sure as hell won't make anything better.
If you have to live under a bridge, you'd be better off in jail.
So do you let him integrate with society, but keep an eye on his activities, let him have a job, a home, but keep him from working with children, or living next to a school; or do you force him to sleep rough under a bridge with dozens of other paedophiles? I mean, you're just making someone hate the society that put them there, while providing a natural forum for the propogation of paedophile hints-and-tips? How can anyone think that's a good idea? I appreciate that there's going to be a reoffending rate whichever you do, but seriously, a paedophile slum under a bridge? It's not going to be a breeding ground for healthy, positive thoughts.
Maybe I'm talking nonce-sense, but this sounds like something from Brass Eye:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NesjvRihbEg
As sick as they make me, this is appalling. They've done their time, it is unfair to keep punishing them.
I could care less, but I feel sorry for the guy who had sex with a 16 year old (legal in Britan remember) and isn't allowed to live with his family. That's just unfair.
This shit goes on in every thread related to pedophilia on every forum ever and I'm tired of it.
Before I rant, I shall define some terms:
Pedophilia
: The sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
Pedophile: A person who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children.
Now allow me to blow your fucking mind by suggesting that neither of these are inherently bad things. Molesting and raping children is an inherently bad thing, and it could be argued that consensual sex with a child is an inherently bad thing whether due to them simply being psychologically unable to handle it or due to society shitting itself over it so much, but the attraction to them is not. An attraction is just that: an attraction. Of course there wouldn't be any virgins here, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who are attracted to the opposite sex yet have never in their life touched a member of it. Thinking about killing your boss does not make you a murderer.
Pedophiles are attracted to children for the same reasons homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. Maybe it's psychological, maybe it's genetics; the specific reasons vary in each case, but it is not their fault. They did not decide one day that they would get off to little girls just to get on everyone's tits, they just do, and they can do jack shit to stop it. It's like having six fingers on one hand. Yeah, maybe you'll use the sixth finger to poke someone's eye out, and that's bad, but you should punish someone for poking someone's eye out not for having an extra finger with which you could.
Let me recap: pedophile != child molester, stop confusing the two. Hell, in a lot of cases, child rapists aren't even strictly pedophiles, they just get off on rape and go for the easier targets.
Before you run out with your flamethrowers, I'm not sympathizing with actual child molesters. Getting sexually abused as a child can fuck you up nine ways to Sunday and no one should ever have to go through that, but I want to emphasize that the difference between getting off to little girls and fucking them is equivalent to the difference between thinking about a girl naked and having sex with her. If a thousand fuckheads didn't bust out torches and pitchforks every time someone admitted an attraction to kids, some of the more extreme cases could actually get help and stop themselves before they're pushed over the edge, but the social and legal consequences for being involved in anything even vaguely related to children and sexuality have most people so scared that they'll never say anything about it.
Pedophiles are more commonplace than you think. Again, pedophiles, not child molesters. These are people who, for whatever reason, are sexually attracted to children, and they're just fucked because they have to deal with the utter demonization of the subject. They can never act on their sexuality without psychologically harming someone, so they suppress it. Some bust, most don't. Which brings us smoothly into another fun subject: child porn! Being the only way to really act on their urges without harming someone, a lot of pedos find solace in this, but of course then they're "supporting the act of molestation and rape by viewing the files," which is a load of bullshit, but whatever I'm getting off track and that's a debate for another day.
Another popular escape is lolicon, which is currently taking the ever-popular "but looking at it might make you do it" argument along with violent video games, but you're still mostly safe with it in any case.
Getting back on-topic, I'll bring up the fact that everyone is one perturbed 14-year-old away from being a registered child sex offender. Or one shirtless afternoon. Or one mistaken click of a link. There is a vast gulf between being a registered sex offender and being someone who's actually committed a sexual crime, and even the actual child molesters don't deserve this kind of bullshit. Even the worst of the worst can change, provided everyone doesn't treat them like a fucking animal for the rest of their lives.
Oh, and here's something to think about: if registered child sex offenders should be forcefully herded away from any type of children for the rest of their lives, shouldn't that apply to regular sex offenders, too? They're just as dangerous, right?
What's that? You can't do that, because people of the opposite sex are everywhere, and that would leave them with nowhere to go? Well, shit, isn't that a pickle. Good thing children are so rare that we don't have the same problem with child sex offenders, hm?
Before I rant, I shall define some terms:
Pedophilia
: The sexual attraction to prepubescent children.Pedophile
: A person who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children.Now allow me to blow your fucking mind by suggesting that neither of these are inherently bad things. Molesting and raping children is an inherently bad thing, and it could be argued that consensual sex with a child is an inherently bad thing whether due to them simply being psychologically unable to handle it or due to society shitting itself over it so much, but the attraction to them is not. An attraction is just that: an attraction. Of course there wouldn't be any virgins here, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who are attracted to the opposite sex yet have never in their life touched a member of it. Thinking about killing your boss does not make you a murderer.
Pedophiles are attracted to children for the same reasons homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. Maybe it's psychological, maybe it's genetics; the specific reasons vary in each case, but it is not their fault. They did not decide one day that they would get off to little girls just to get on everyone's tits, they just do, and they can do jack shit to stop it. It's like having six fingers on one hand. Yeah, maybe you'll use the sixth finger to poke someone's eye out, and that's bad, but you should punish someone for poking someone's eye out not for having an extra finger with which you could.
Let me recap: pedophile != child molester, stop confusing the two. Hell, in a lot of cases, child rapists aren't even strictly pedophiles, they just get off on rape and go for the easier targets.
Before you run out with your flamethrowers, I'm not sympathizing with actual child molesters. Getting sexually abused as a child can fuck you up nine ways to Sunday and no one should ever have to go through that, but I want to emphasize that the difference between getting off to little girls and fucking them is equivalent to the difference between thinking about a girl naked and having sex with her. If a thousand fuckheads didn't bust out torches and pitchforks every time someone admitted an attraction to kids, some of the more extreme cases could actually get help and stop themselves before they're pushed over the edge, but the social and legal consequences for being involved in anything even vaguely related to children and sexuality have most people so scared that they'll never say anything about it.
Pedophiles are more commonplace than you think. Again, pedophiles, not child molesters. These are people who, for whatever reason, are sexually attracted to children, and they're just fucked because they have to deal with the utter demonization of the subject. They can never act on their sexuality without psychologically harming someone, so they suppress it. Some bust, most don't. Which brings us smoothly into another fun subject: child porn! Being the only way to really act on their urges without harming someone, a lot of pedos find solace in this, but of course then they're "supporting the act of molestation and rape by viewing the files," which is a load of bullshit, but whatever I'm getting off track and that's a debate for another day.
Another popular escape is lolicon, which is currently taking the ever-popular "but looking at it might make you do it" argument along with violent video games, but you're still mostly safe with it in any case.
Getting back on-topic, I'll bring up the fact that everyone is one perturbed 14-year-old away from being a registered child sex offender. Or one shirtless afternoon. Or one mistaken click of a link. There is a vast gulf between being a registered sex offender and being someone who's actually committed a sexual crime, and even the actual child molesters don't deserve this kind of bullshit. Even the worst of the worst can change, provided everyone doesn't treat them like a fucking animal for the rest of their lives.
Oh, and here's something to think about: if registered child sex offenders should be forcefully herded away from any type of children for the rest of their lives, shouldn't that apply to regular sex offenders, too? They're just as dangerous, right?
What's that? You can't do that, because people of the opposite sex are everywhere, and that would leave them with nowhere to go? Well, shit, isn't that a pickle. Good thing children are so rare that we don't have the same problem with child sex offenders, hm?
Escapist law: Whenever paedophilia is mentioned in a thread, the describing of many vile and disgusting torture fantasies will almost certainly follow.
Agreed, completely. The collective reaction of The Escapist community in this regard sickens me to my stomach. These sex offenders have already served their sentence, and not only do you people think that we're perfectly justified in stripping them of what little dignity society allows them, forcing them to live under a bridge like some sort of inhuman monsters, but you insist that even then, we are being too lenient.polygon said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about. People don't change? I'm sure the field of clinical psychology would like a word with you. And developmental. And behavioural. And every educational system ever. And every court which has ever issued a sentence to someone other than the death penalty. In fact, I think you will find, people like this don't change because society as a whole automatically assumes that they won't, or can't, and treats them accordingly. You treat them like inhuman monsters and how the hell do you think they'll act?Shapsters said:
As I was reading the OP, I figured that a better solution would simply be to force them to wear some sort of identification. But if the responses in this thread are any indication, I figure the current system is less of a punishment.
no surprise this is happeneing in an american place... i feel sorry for the few interlectual americans who have to put up with this sort of violation of human rights... i suspect it's more to do with the panic media and the spineless politicians that seem to rule the world now.
If he/she was a rapist, okay.Shapsters said:
But what if the "sex offenders" crime was being caught taking a piss in public? Showing your weiner, even if it's by accident, can get you in to the register.
Should those people also be forced o live under a bridge? The world isn't black and white.
Pedoisland? I like it.LimaBravo said:
OT I have to admit that personally these people are animals in my book but they at least deserve basic amenities.