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Eri

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Inspired by that news post about how much the actors/directors got paid.

Does it not bug anyone else how much people doing movies, football, sports etc, get paid? They don't save lives, they don't teach children, they don't rescue anything, they don't protect anything. All they do is entertain. Should they be paid decently for it? Sure.

On the other hand, why are doctors, teachers, police, firemen, all paid crap salaries? Last I checked doctors were more important than Eli Manning, yet they aren't earning his paycheck. The same applies to other needed jobs. Why do we pay them so much to do nothing but entertain? Anyone think maybe that should change?
 

Valate_v1legacy

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Yes- It won't take long for an entertainment revolution.

Or it wouldn't if people weren't super-special about where their money goes.
 

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Eri said:
They aren't payed as much as professional athletes, but they are still payed a hefty sum.

OT: In terms of professional athletes, a lot of it has to do with how much revenue the sports leagues make.
It would seem even more unfair if the NFL was pocketing over $100-200 million every year while the players get payed under $100,000.
The amount of money given to professional athletes correlates with the amount of people watching sports and purchasing merchandise. The latter has gone up. For example, baseball players that were considered good were signed on $50,000 contracts in the 50's and 60's. Nowadays they get $3 million.
I'm sure that if you looked at the numbers, people are buying a lot more merchandise and watching quite a few more sports events than in years past.
 

Eri

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Radeonx said:
they are still payed a hefty sum.
This is true. I was stating crap more in comparison to the millions of dollars these other people make.
 

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There paid because people like to be entertained,simple as that.People don't care about doctors,teachers or police, they want to be entertained.
 

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I would say that I both agree and disagree with you. Yeah, these people probably get way more money than they should for jobs that are not particularly vital to society. That said, I think that having a career as an actor or an athlete is probably a lot more demanding than most of us realize. You can offer me all the money you want, I still wouldn't want to have to do the training that a football player does just so that people can slam into me. And while there are plenty of hack actors, the really good ones have put an incredible amount of effort into mastering their craft. Hell, I can't cry for real even when I feel like it, but to be able to fake it convincingly takes an amazing amount of control. A really good actor can do things that I simply couldn't do. And even beyond that, the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes is vastly more than what we actually see after they've selected the take they want to use, done all the editing, etc... Hell, just to try and be an actor is to take a colossal risk. If you don't believe me there's an excellent documentary called Confessions of a Superhero, watch it and you'll see the pain that people put themselves through just for a shot at an acting career. Many actors are people who took a huge bet, and they won against the odds. The big salaries are the return on the investment they made which was a huge risk.
 

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They are paid because they fill seats with people that will pay for the maintenance, food, plumbing, whatever; with ticket prices and concessions. Also their entertainment gives people jobs at concession stands, maintenance, etc. They are (over)paid a lot because they have huge audiences.
However, I have to agree that them getting paid tons of money to play a game while people that provide an actual service: teachers; police; firemen getting paid garbage in comparison, saddens me.
 

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People want and like entertainers so they pay money to them. The entertainers get paid so much because they are making millions, would anyone want to be a director if they got paid as much as for say the manager of a restaurant? If you want everyone to be paid the same that would be communism (not bad in all cases), (I might be wrong in this part still need to take a class government) in a capitalist country you make a lot of money you get a lot of money.
 

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Not really, they're entitled to a cut of the revenue their medium makes. I can't go out there and do what Kobe Bryant does on the basketball court.

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Part of that is just our culture, we like to create gods among men, Celebrities and Sports Stars play the same role Queens and Kings did or still do.
 

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Eri said:
Inspired by that news post about how much the actors/directors got paid.

Does it not bug anyone else how much people doing movies, football, sports etc, get paid? They don't save lives, they don't teach children, they don't rescue anything, they don't protect anything. All they do is entertain. Should they be paid decently for it? Sure.

On the other hand, why are doctors, teachers, police, firemen, all paid crap salaries? Last I checked doctors were more important than Eli Manning, yet they aren't earning his paycheck. The same applies to other needed jobs. Why do we pay them so much to do nothing but entertain? Anyone think maybe that should change?
Doctors are paid very well, especially with some of the rarer speciallizations. Anesthesiologists are paid well over half-a-million dollars a year, and I think neurosurgeons and neurologists make more than that. That isn't a crap salery, less than pro sports, but not crap.

OT: it has to do with supply and demand. Many, many, many more people can and do become doctors/teachers ect. than become pro athletes and actors.
 

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Time = money, they get paid for the amount of time they entertain people. Figuring movie length and ticket sales, then DVD's which are usually watched more than once. I think it makes sense. Then you got the more popular the movie the more popular the star they then get on interviews and tabloid stories which adds to the amount of time they entertain people.
 

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Eri said:
Does it not bug anyone else how much people doing movies, football, sports etc, get paid? They don't save lives, they don't teach children, they don't rescue anything, they don't protect anything. All they do is entertain. Should they be paid decently for it? Sure.

On the other hand, why are doctors, teachers, police, firemen, all paid crap salaries?
WARNING: actual answer to the OP's question follows. Read at your own risk.

The reason why some people get paid millions is because they make millions. The amount that they get paid is small compared to the amount of money that they make for other people. A sporting personality may get paid $2m but he might end up making a shoe company $10m in sales through his name being associated with their product through advertising, plus another $10m through that shoe company buying advertising time on the TV station where his sporting deeds are broadcast. So that $2m is really just him taking his 10% cut out of the $20m he made for hundreds of other people. That shoe company employs a lot of workers, so does the TV station. If Mr. Sport wasn't out there making that $20m every year, then those big companies might have to sack some staff, because they won't be able to afford to pay them any more.

A fireman or a policeman on the other hand doesn't make anybody else any money, so there's no "profit share" to be passed around. Hosing down burning buildings isn't a money-generating activity, in fact it costs money to maintain the fire engines, the hoses, the water supply, etc. Sure, you could pay them more, but where the fuck is that money going to come from? Well they're a public utility paid for by the government, so.... ah, that's right - taxes. You like paying taxes, don't you? Do you still want to pay policemen and firemen more money?
 

Shoggoth2588

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Doctors get paid quite a bit actually.

To answer your question though, I think it's shitty to see certain people get paid exorbitant amounts of money to act, direct and, edit movies and TV shows and whatnot. Many of those people using that money on all sorts of narcotics and, extremely excessive items no normal person would ever need while many other people have nothing whatever.

To be fair though: if I was in a position similar to Kevin Smith or, Robert Downy Jr. I would totally bust my ass to make great movies/ TV shows (etc) and use that money on all sorts of insane shit to benefit nobody but myself and possibly my family...possibly...
 

PunkyMcGee

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Eri said:
Inspired by that news post about how much the actors/directors got paid.

Does it not bug anyone else how much people doing movies, football, sports etc, get paid? They don't save lives, they don't teach children, they don't rescue anything, they don't protect anything. All they do is entertain. Should they be paid decently for it? Sure.

On the other hand, why are doctors, teachers, police, firemen, all paid crap salaries? Last I checked doctors were more important than Eli Manning, yet they aren't earning his paycheck. The same applies to other needed jobs. Why do we pay them so much to do nothing but entertain? Anyone think maybe that should change?
they'll be paid less as soon as people stop watching them. and yes it irritates me, but it not enough to stop watching movies and sports all together.

also as a side note: Screw Eli Manning, the mouth breathing corporate whore and that goes double for his brother. try saying no to a commercial every once and awhile.
 

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What annoys me most is a soldiers salary, in the UK it's generally less (for a private) per hour than the national minimum wage. Not to mention, a measly £1.51 a day goes on meals for troops, substantially less than the £2.63 which goes on food for military dogs. Hell even prisoners cost more to feed, at £1.87 a day. I find that unfair in the highest regard. Puting your life directly on the line for such a small amount of money (while you might volunteer for it) is just not on.
 

SimuLord

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If we paid people the market value of their labor, we'd have to repeal the minimum wage laws in order to pay market value to stockboys, fast food janitors, and other zero-marginal-value workers in our economy.

Beyond that, how much money do sports teams, Hollywood, the music industry, etc. bring in? And you don't want to pay athletes/actors/musicians their share of that take?
 

PunkyMcGee

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6unn3r said:
What annoys me most is a soldiers salary, in the UK it's generally less (for a private) per hour than the national minimum wage. Not to mention, a measly £1.51 a day goes on meals for troops, substantially less than the £2.63 which goes on food for military dogs. Hell even prisoners cost more to feed, at £1.87 a day. I find that unfair in the highest regard. Puting your life directly on the line for such a small amount of money (while you might volunteer for it) is just not on.
that's messed up dude, do you have a link to were you got this info? i'd like to read it.
 

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I am a weird person who thinks that money paid for something is equivalent to the amount a person thinks something is worth, and because this whole topic is about subjective values versus salary, my funky world-view should work fine. (This is not randomly self-deprecating, stock market people anger and confuse me, generating wealth from no contribution to society*)

If you think about the relative scale of the contributions that the individuals in our society make from this "how much is it worth"x"how many people benefit" value, it begins to make more sense that people performing tasks that seem trivial for lots of people would make more than those who provide services that are inarguably essential for a limited group.

Let us look for example at a teacher, a component in the education of children (a resource which I am told is precious), in a school with six class periods this teacher might provide a sixth of the instruction for thiry-five students per class. Imagining that this teacher is overworked (a stretch, I know) and teaches six classes per day, that should mean that she is entitled to the tuition of 35 full students, right? Sadly, this quantity is greatly diminished by the cost of having a school to teach in, not having to wax the classroom floor, getting new computers every decade, and paying the salaries of the support personnel such as principals and secretaries. Once you factor all that in, you realize that there are a large number of people contributing to the education of these hypothetical students that all need to be compensated for their work. So even though the market might put a very high value on the education of children, it gets split up out of necessity and teachers end up with a pittance.

Don't even get me started on what I imagine the economics of rescuing kittens from trees is like.

Let us consider the athlete thing. They provide their services to a huge number of people. Even if they are doing something that is worth $0.10 to the average person, like catching a ball and running to one end of a field in conjunction with other people working towards the same goal, that times the tens of millions of people that benefit from this entertainment means that they actually have a greater impact on society by orders of magnitude (if how much things are worth to how many people is our yard stick) while providing very little value to the individual. Of course, their efforts probably cost the viewer more than $0.10 to observe. Indeed, I am acquainted with several people who pay dozens of United States Dollars every single month for the privilege of watching these athletes display their skill.

To succinctly sum up my drunken ramblings, deliver crap to lots of people, and you will probably end up with more money than saving the lives of anyone you can help.

*: Aside from their self-imposed exile to financial districts. The benefit of which is diminished by the fact that they still come into contact with people who work for banks who do provide useful services and must suffer their existence.