PC Game Bashing

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

Are we going to have to convince you that PC gaming sucks or something? Just ignore the fanboys.

 

[Laughing Man]

Can someone with more experience with this tell me what's wrong with PC gaming?

- Developers creating poorly coded or poorly optimised software with the idea being that YOU should spend the cash to upgrade your PC to play the game rather than them spend the cash making the code run better on lower end machines. Crysis
- Required specs that are a joke and couldn't be played enjoyably in a million years. In reality meaning that you've bought a game based on the fact that your PC meets the minimum specs only to get it home and find it near unplayable. They got your money and you got a future bill to upgrade. Oblivion
- Just because you bought the game and just because you researched the game to make sure you could run it on your rig and just because it actually installed doesn't mean it will actually run. STALKER Clear SKY, Crysis
- DRM even the music industry is learning that if you treat you're customers as thieves chances are they will act like them. All the major media industries use copy protection but PC gaming is the only media that seems to actively make justification for treating it's paying customers like they are scum. Spore
- EULAs This is a clear cut example of an industry that wants your cash but doesn't want to actually be held responsible for anything it does. You effectively sign a disclaimer that says your software is not guaranteed to work, you are not guaranteed any support if it doesn't work or for that matter in the future, you are the one solely responsible for if the software causes your computer to go tits up.
- PC elitist twats. What makes something superior is the amount of enjoyment you get out of it. The PC is in no way physically capable of delivering more enjoyment than any other gaming media. The reason is because it is a subjective element. You enjoy what you enjoy. I enjoy driving games I equally enjoy Burnout Paradise on my PS3 as well as the full on simulation of GTR2 on my PC. I enjoy the killing spree of Killzone 2 on my PS3 just as much as I enjoyed F.E.A.R 2 on my PC. I enjoyed playing Civ 2 on my PS2 just as much as I did playing Civ 3 and 4 on my PC.

Graphics cost and interface meant jack shit because I enjoyed the games just as much as each other and the fact that they were on PC or Console only means jack to the idiots who bang on all day about why their method of playing games is better.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

A lot of people I know generally bash not just specificly PC made games, but PCs in general. Being a 99 percent PC gamer, the 1 percent being rockband, I dont understand this. I have nothing against console gaming, I just dont see whats wrong with PC gaming. Can someone with more experience with this tell me whats wrong with PC gaming? Thank You

Having to upgrade your rig is a pretty inconvieniant thing, as are hardware requirements in general. Despite that I'd still say PC gaming is largly superiour.

That's pretty much my thoughts too. A console is great because even though the extremely high-tech capabilities they have are fresh and amazing when they first come out, they are quickly made obsolete compared to computers, BUT game companies continue to push the limits of the console because that is what they have to work with. The console won't change.

As for PCs... there's always shiny new GPUs to work with, so last generation models don't get maximized until they are well into obsoletion, which is fine and dandy unless you want to be on the cutting edge.

 

[Ancientgamer]

Console gamers have to "upgrade" their type of console too, only at a slower rate.
Because if they pumped out consoles as fast as they did PC´s, no one would by them,
and no one would make games for them.

Same rate actually, if you built a PC years ago that equaled a PS2 in power, it will remain that powerful forever, If then, when the PS3 comes out, you buy a new PC as powerful as it, it will remain as powerful as the PS3 until the PS4 comes out., and the cycle starts again.

PCs don't need to upgrade any more often than console and still equal them in power, they simply have the option to upgrade sooner.

 

[theultimateend]

Console gamers have to "upgrade" their type of console too, only at a slower rate.
Because if they pumped out consoles as fast as they did PC´s, no one would by them,
and no one would make games for them.

Same rate actually, if you built a PC years ago that equaled a PS2 in power, it will remain that powerful forever, If then, when the PS3 comes out, you buy a new PC as powerful as it, it will remain as powerful as the PS3 until the PS4 comes out., and the cycle starts again.

PCs don't need to upgrade any more often than console and still equal them in power, they simply have the option to upgrade sooner.

The thing about PCs is that yearly for the cost of one console game you can be set to go for that years of PC gaming. That is upgrading costs to your current system. Exceptions being once your MOBO becomes obsolete of course.

I don't know if that'll stay being true but for me for the last ten years that has been true.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

PCs don't need to upgrade any more often than console and still equal them in power, they simply have the option to upgrade sooner.

That is indeed so.
One have the option to upgrade ones PC, but not ones console.
Keeping that in mind, one can still play new(indie-freeware-etc) and all the old games on a PC, indefinitely.
While you can only play the games released for that specific console.

 

[Valiance]

PC games? Or PC gaming?

If it's PC games, they're a total moron. You have hundreds of incredible games that run on machines from ~2000 to put in their face (Deus Ex, Fallout 2, Starcraft, Master of Orion 2, UT...).

If it's PC gaming, well, some people don't have the patience to actually learn something about what they're using. It's not very difficult to do - most upgrades don't cost much. I got this machine for about 300 dollars and it runs everything I want on High/Ultra, at 40-60 FPS, depending on the game (unless you count Planetside, which runs at 260~ FPS, which is just lololol).

Anyway, yes, "upgrading" your "rig" can be difficult if you haven't done it much, but since I've been doing that kind of thing since I was 5, and I'm going to school for it, I don't mind (as a matter of fact I -enjoy-) toying with everything.

But my current machine cost me 300 dollars, and so far, the only cash I've put into it was for a new video card, which cost me 90 dollars.

I thoroughly enjoy consoles as well, even though I have nothing "next-gen" (because they cost too much to play shit I'd enjoy more on PC. (There aren't any console-exclusives that I want (and if there were, they'd be from PS3, not 360, which is odd, isn't it?))).

Hell, the newest game I bought was Ikaruga. Newest console game I've finished is probably Twilight Princess...(unless you count doing the co-op campaign at a friend's house in GH:WT).

However, I fully understand that people enjoy consoles more, and prefer them, and that's valid, but to blatantly hate PC gaming is simply ignorant. There are exclusives that people enjoy, but I simply don't find Halo better than other FPSes, don't find Halo Wars better than RTS games on the PC (yes, I know they did C&C 3 and SupCom360 (god that was horrific) on the 360, but they just don't work as well with current control schemes...), don't find LBP worth buying a system for, or Valkryia Chronicles, (though God of War 3 might change that), etc, etc.

People are entitled to their personal tastes, of course, but I just feel that there are some gems that are pc-exclusive. There are plenty of console-exclusives that are awesome too, but nothing from this generation really strikes me (at least nothing I can't play on a console I already have.)

 

[Rednog]

Some reason why I think the PC is too expensive thing that console gamers use as an argument is bs.
1) PC games are usually $10 cheaper, this adds up relatively fast depending on how many games you buy.
2) Putting together a PC yourself can be really cheap, my last PC cost about $500 (if I would've done the rebates but I had some issues w/ that, but it is another story), and usually learning to build your own rig extends the life of the pc.
3) The life of a pc can usually last as long as the life of a console, my last pc lasted about 5 years until the motherboard blew out and it was still playing things like Left 4 Dead at 30-35 fps.
4) Mods, the gaming communities for many games are huge and mods can add hours of fun to a game.
5) Not have to pay for some services, example I can play TF2 whenever I want but if I owned it on a console I'd have to pay for XboxLive, somewhat of a moot point since xboxlive covers all their games, but you still have to pay to play online, whereas in pc games (excluding MMORPGS) you don't.

1) Not only are the AAA titles $10 cheaper, but there are a LOT of good inexpensive PC games that launch at lower price points that are legitimately quality titles.
2) Only $500? Admittedly I'm a bigger fan of future-proofing but $500 seems a little low to me. You can still build a PC worthy of anything this side of Crysis for under two grand, though.
3) A bit of a generous estimate, since my usual rule is to trade up the motherboard every three years to take advantage of new chipsets (I'm buying a Core i7 rig late this year and my current Core 2 Duo-based system dates back to December '06.)
4) Game + mods = almost like getting a few expansion packs for free (especially in the case of a game like Oblivion if you add FCOM or something like it)
5) Steam's online features alone make PC gaming worth it.

If you're spending 2k on a pc it had better last you a long time. My friend has almost the same setup as me and from what he tells me it runs Crysis fine (I'm probably going to get it this weekend since its $10 @ bestbuy). But if you buy parts off like newegg and wait for certain deals to popup you can usually get a lot of decent parts (not talking about the best of the high end) I think my total from newegg was $779 and would've been like $520 after rebates had I sent them in (most rebates aren't that good but I was waited patiently and picked parts over about two month's time.) As for PC life, I only abandon my PCs when they're in the ground and dead, and I've been a bit hesitant to invest in the new chipsets because I'm still not convinced quad cores are superior to the dual cores because very few programs/games utilize their functions to peak performance.

 

[Nutcase]

Issues like region locking are virtually nonexistent on the PC.

Oh, and below $1k is plenty for a gaming PC with good parts as long as you spend it on the right things. If you personally get sidetracked by "ooh shiny" parts like quadcores that don't actually help much with current games, that's not the fault of the PC platform.

 

[Goldbling]

Some reason why I think the PC is too expensive thing that console gamers use as an argument is bs.
1) PC games are usually $10 cheaper, this adds up relatively fast depending on how many games you buy.
2) Putting together a PC yourself can be really cheap, my last PC cost about $500 (if I would've done the rebates but I had some issues w/ that, but it is another story), and usually learning to build your own rig extends the life of the pc.
3) The life of a pc can usually last as long as the life of a console, my last pc lasted about 5 years until the motherboard blew out and it was still playing things like Left 4 Dead at 30-35 fps.
4) Mods, the gaming communities for many games are huge and mods can add hours of fun to a game.
5) Not have to pay for some services, example I can play TF2 whenever I want but if I owned it on a console I'd have to pay for XboxLive, somewhat of a moot point since xboxlive covers all their games, but you still have to pay to play online, whereas in pc games (excluding MMORPGS) you don't.

1) Not only are the AAA titles $10 cheaper, but there are a LOT of good inexpensive PC games that launch at lower price points that are legitimately quality titles.
2) Only $500? Admittedly I'm a bigger fan of future-proofing but $500 seems a little low to me. You can still build a PC worthy of anything this side of Crysis for under two grand, though.
3) A bit of a generous estimate, since my usual rule is to trade up the motherboard every three years to take advantage of new chipsets (I'm buying a Core i7 rig late this year and my current Core 2 Duo-based system dates back to December '06.)
4) Game + mods = almost like getting a few expansion packs for free (especially in the case of a game like Oblivion if you add FCOM or something like it)
5) Steam's online features alone make PC gaming worth it.

^^^but thats the thing, not everyone has 2G's to spend on a computer, if i did i would most cetainly wouldent have a gateway, i'd have a personal built one

 

[Goldbling]

And people pay for xbox live for a reason, i dont feel like being in an over laggy match, i's rather everone have a broadband connection and if you dont you get to go play CoD by yourself

 

[JamminOz07]

A lot of people I know generally bash not just specificly PC made games, but PCs in general. Being a 99 percent PC gamer, the 1 percent being rockband, I dont understand this. I have nothing against console gaming, I just dont see whats wrong with PC gaming. Can someone with more experience with this tell me whats wrong with PC gaming? Thank You

there is absolutely nothing wrong with PC gaming.

If you have the time, money, patience and skills to spend on PC gaming, then that's great for you.

Personally, I spend all day at work on a PC. When I get home, I want to play a game, but I don't want to download drivers and patches, I don't want to tweak my resolution, I just want to stick a disc in the machine, pick up a controller and play a game.

That is why I like my consoles.

 

[Goldbling]

And I'm not bashing PC gamers/gaming, I admit you guys are better (and kinda smarter), but i should be able to play Oblivion without remapping the whole keyboard so I dont have to grow an extra limb just to shoot an arrow

 

[MiketheBassMan]

This does not for one second change the fact that PC gamers ARE the master race.

Assuredly. Strategy games are the ultimate games to test skill, and there's no better way to play them than on a PC. (See: Starcraft) The other brilliance of the PC is that it does anything you want it to, without the need to hack it. You can write your own software and test/use it on the same machine you made it on.

You can get the satisfaction of assembling your gaming rig from parts. Buy only what you want, and not deal with gimmicky "features". Full analog control and a digital input system with over 100 keys are standard features. Perhaps I'm expecting too much, wanting people to know how to do more than 'click on the E for internet' or 'x-out' of a window. It's too bad more people don't have technical/computer skills.

 

[meglathon]

It?s gust essayer to be a console games since, all you need is the gaming console and then buy the games you like and put it in, that?s it no sects, no installation and no problems after installation. This is coming from a mostly console gamer but I still keep a good rig going to play the good RTS that come out.

 

[Psypherus]

Why would anyone bash a PC? The PC is one of the best inventions ever. And not even for gaming, just for general uses.

 

[quack35]

A lot of people I know generally bash not just specificly PC made games, but PCs in general. Being a 99 percent PC gamer, the 1 percent being rockband, I dont understand this. I have nothing against console gaming, I just dont see whats wrong with PC gaming. Can someone with more experience with this tell me whats wrong with PC gaming? Thank You

I've never seen someone bash PC. Ever.

PC players tend to bash us console gamers way more, I think you're imagining things.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

The PC was once the safehaven of the nerd. Now that most people these days own a PC and the fact that consoles have opened gaming to a wider audience, it is drawing their dreaded foes closer and closer to "their turf". Therefore the long-term, PC owning gamers seem to adopt this "uber than you" attitute to try and ward off the masses, sheerly because they fear losing one of their last bastians of nerdom. It may be a stereotype, but as they say with stereotypes, there is at least a bucketload of truth to them and the majority of PC gamers I know are (God bless them) nerds.

That said, the reasons I moved away from PC gaming was because:
a) I got sick of having to upgrade my PC or download drivers before playing a game I forked my hard earned over to get.
b) Getting taunted by my PC owning bretheren for having an inferior rig to them.
c) Lack of decent platform games; which I was really into at the time.

I don't have any animosity toward PC games at all; more the people who play them ;-)

 

[quack35]

I like PC gaming, but it is hella expensive. I always buy pre-made ones, because I don't know shit about computers.
For all I know, if I opened mine up, there would be wet hamburger and marshmallow sauce inside.