PC Game Bashing

[Siris]

Yahtzee has said it before and I'll say it again, "The dirty console pesants should stay out of the affairs of the superior PC gaming gods"

QFT

Actually, my only PC complaint is that you do have to regularly integrate new hardware into it so that it can run at peak performance on new software

 

[S.H.A.R.P.]

I'm 100% PC gamer myself nowadays. I generally prefer shooters and strategy games over fighting and racing and whatnot, which I have to admit play more comfortable on consoles. I also like the occasional tinkering with my computer, which I assembled with shameless enthusiasm.

Sure PC gaming is more expensive. I spend over 1250 EUR on my rig, but I intend to use it for a period of about five years without too much modification. Besides gaming, I do my school work on it, I surf the internet, watch movies and television, listen to music, communicate with friends through chat and skype, build some websites and flashy stuff... All in all I use it for much more then just gaming. I don't see that happening with any console around.

I do feel kind off sorry for missing out on some precious gems exclusive to consoles, but there are plenty to be discovered for the PC, even older games are still enjoyable and playable on my system.

I can understand the criticism about PC gaming - it being too much of a hassle, but I grew up with it. For me it's all in a days work to wait for the installation, and correct the graphics settings. It only heightens the anticipation for playing the game ^^

 

[jamesworkshop]

Perhaps such charts would be more equal if they included illegally downloaded games too.

After all, PC users tend to believe that piracy is their god-given right.

So never heard of a chipped console or a R4 for the DS

I happen to own an example of both.

But if you think these practices are a tiny fraction as widespread among console owners as pirated software is for PC owners then you're delusional.

No but this entire thread had nothing to do with piracy

 

[JaguarWong]

Perhaps such charts would be more equal if they included illegally downloaded games too.

After all, PC users tend to believe that piracy is their god-given right.

They do?
Generalising is awesome, but it makes you look like a twat and that will get you in the long run. People will start to denounce your arguments because of it and while that's a fallacy by itself, they'll keep doing it because it's human nature.

People are welcome to denounce my arguments the same way they denounce those of retailers and developers and publishers and distributers... and they can do so till their typing fingers bleed.

Fact is - Piracy is a huge problem for the integrity of PC gaming and is only dismissed as a 'scapegoat' so regularly by so many because they are involved.

It's a bit like a Cuckoo saying the whole nest stealing thing has been blown way out of proportion.[/quote]

 

[JaguarWong]

Integrity? Maybe.
But since when did integrity matter in this?
By that logic the little kids who play Halo and are constantly screaming gay and racist slurs are completely ruining the integrity of the console gaming.

Sounds like a generalisation to me.

Besides, I was referring to business integrity - commercial viability if you'd prefer.

 

[oliveira8]

People that think that having a good gaming PC requires the money of a small country, are generally people that never built their own PC and only see the big expensive PC parts.

I got my first PC back in 98 and upgraded that same PC once for RAM and for Hard Drive, I dont know the costs cause it was my mother who bought it. In 2005 I bough my current PC costed me around 1100 Euros and hasnt been upgraded yet. Can run any game released today, and yes EVEN Crysis on medium settings with a good framerate.

Even Empire:Total War which I run in High settings apart from grass I have stable framerate.

I'am thinking of upgrading my PC this year if only to prepare it for the next 4-5 years.

ALSO! I do think that PC gaming is superior! We have a better online community, modding and our Orange Box has no shaddy port! And PC games are cheaper and (maybe thats me) have a longer lifespan! All hail the PC master race!

 

[JaguarWong]

And so was I. Since when does the business, the developers pirate?

It's the users that do it and while they have an active participation in all of this, you really shouldn't let them dictate the whole platform "integrity".

In much the same way as a system is defined by it's software rather than it's hardware - it's also defined by it's consumers rather than it's creators.

In every real sense PC Gaming IS PC Gamers.

 

[Zersy]

A lot of people I know generally bash not just specificly PC made games, but PCs in general. Being a 99 percent PC gamer, the 1 percent being rockband, I dont understand this. I have nothing against console gaming, I just dont see whats wrong with PC gaming. Can someone with more experience with this tell me whats wrong with PC gaming? Thank You

Because PC gaming is for True gamers and mainly True Gamers play on the PC

and us console gamers have to face the fact that even though we also have true gamers on our consoles 60% are annoying douches that are REALLY ignorant

 

[Sigmarius]

That's quite the assumption there.
Oh it's an assumption! Invalid.

Hey dumbass. If you're going to call someone's argument invalid, maybe you should validate your own. See my previous post in which I quoted you, and asked for the references to your "facts".

If you'd like, I can do a point by point analysis on how several of your "facts" are actually assumptions, and therefore invalid.

Either show us hard data backing up your argument, shut up, or go away.

 

[Laughing Man]

These are the games not the PC. Developers are at fault here.

Um isn't that what I said save for the bashing on Direct X?

Lulz, I played Oblivion on max settings with a 8600 and grass disabled and on 1600x1200. Someone doesn't know what they're talking about.

Try rereading the post, a 8600 is way way above the minimum specs for Oblivion. The point was that the minimum specs for games are often very unclear and Oblivion is a great example.

It's minimum specs state it requires a 128Mb Direct3D compatible video card and that's it. It doesn't say that the GPU needs to have shader model 2 so you ended up with numerous people buying Oblivion thinking it would run only to find that their minimum spec GPU didn't actually run it because it wasn't PS or VS 2.0 compatible. So exactly who was it that didn't know what they were speaking about?

Source? I don't read EULAs but I never knew about this before.

The EULA for Crysis

http://storefront.steampowered.com/eula_testapp17300/english.html

Article 7 basically says that Crytek is not at fault if your computer goes tits up as a result of installing their software.

Article 8 basically says that they don't guarantee that the game will even work

Article 9 actually plainly says they won't supply any support for Crysis

Also, didn't the PS3 started making this kind of shit on the consoles? Home.

Yup but I never said that was a good thing. At least the games don't pull the same crap and you don't requires the Home updates to play 95% of the games.

Exactly, and if you enjoy better graphics, better controls, better mods, better support, better customization, better settings then you'll enjoy the PC over the console.

I suppose enjoying the game rather than all the arbitrary crap that the average fanboys rage on about doesn't count then?

Oh and a funny thing, a skilled Civ 2 player in the PC would beat an equally skilled Civ 2 player on a console. That says something.

The games were different, that the PC version was larger and had more stuff going on... that you missed my point totally? That I enjoyed both games on their respective platforms irrespective?

That's quite alright.
You prefer playing games on old retarded 5 year old technology I prefer playing it on recent technology, my visual orgasm will be bigger than yours, that's all.

If that's not enough, I have the choice and the freedom of using the control pad I want to.
And if that's still not enough I can mod my games to my tastes.

FAIL mate, for a pure example of PC elitist bullshit the above quote is a great example.

At no point was I comparing playing on a PC to a console. I was mentioning the faults with playing games on a PC not making a comparison yet you have automatically assumed that I was a console player, that I was comparing it to gaming on a console.

What's the definition of a fanboy; someone who even when confronted with a list of obvious flaws with whatever they love will still try to defend those flaws.

Just so you don't make the mistake again in the future. I own a high end self built PC and a PS3 and I play games on whatever medium I happen to have bought the game for. I have no preference because that says I enjoy the actually device rather than the game itself.

 

[John Stalvern]

Nothing is wrong with PC gaming, and I actually prefer it, but truthfully I see PC gamers bash consoles far more than the opposite

 

[out0v0rder]

I think it's funny how alot of the "consolites" say you HAVE TO upgrade every time a new game comes out.

Think about this, a pc that was built in 2004 can play all of the games in the Orange Box JUST FINE. There is no xbox, gamecube, or ps2 that was built in 2004 which can play it today. When you really think about it, if you want to game on a console, you are ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED to buy a brand new console just to play current gen games. There is no way around this.

 

[keithburgun]

Nothing's wrong with PC gaming. Valve and Blizzard make PC games, and they are pretty much the best game developers in existence. The thing is, they still don't have the hype power of Microsoft or Bethesda or any of these lesser console developers. So all your friends just don't know. Pity them.

 

[kawligia]

A lot of people have already hit the nail on the head here. Some people just don't have a proper gaming rig either because they can't afford a good PC, or because they don't know enough about PC's to get anything but a crappy pre-built Dell. Good PC > console, but bad PC < console.

Also, consolers still have to miss out on things like game editors, unofficial DLC, and sometimes even official DLC. That just fans the flames.

Actually, I'm starting to disbelieve the whole "I can't afford a good enough PC" thing. Most people I hear say that have at least 2 consoles. Playstation 3 + Xbox 360 = roughly $800. Add in all the extra stuff like extra controllers, you could be looking at almost $1,000. Also consider that they will most likely already have a PC, just not a great one, they could salvage some parts from that (keyboard, monitor, DVD-rom) which could save them a couple hundred dollars.

So now we are at roughly $1200. That's enough to get a decent system. And if they got the right motherboard and whatnot, they could add an extra video card and extra ram to upgrade it as they get more money. PC gaming is perfectly viable.

 

[Laughing Man]

But that's still the developers fault.

What you said is true but I haven't seen it happen a lot and very often, albeit it might be because my PC surpasses most of the minimum requirements in these kind of games.

It's also something specific to PC gaming ergo it is something that is wrong with PC gaming. Ergo part of the reason why I included it.

Do you require most game patches to play 95% of your games though?
I often pirate most of my games and sincerely I rarely use patches. I'm still playing them.

Uh this has nothing to do with patches. The EULA you referenced when you mentioned PS3 and Home was a EULA that happened to be provided with one of the Home patches. On the other hand EULAs like the one I referenced are common place for just about everything you install on a PC again a flaw with PC gaming and again a reason why it posted it.

My point is that with all the hotkeys, keymapping, scrolling and whatnot that you can get on the PC you can multitask a lot faster and more effectively on the Civ 2 PC version than on the console version.

Um all the things you mention there would only be of help in an RTS where speed and the ability to flick quickly from item to item would be helpful. Civ2 on the other hand is a turn based game so speed is not an issue. Unless of course you are playing with the turn timer on.

You weren't, I was.
Call it elitist, I call it factual.

I call it poor writing structure. If you quote something that someone has written and then use the word YOU, then that generally means you are addressing that person rather than everyone in general.

Think about this, a pc that was built in 2004 can play all of the games in the Orange Box JUST FINE. There is no xbox, gamecube, or ps2 that was built in 2004 which can play it today. When you really think about it, if you want to game on a console, you are ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED to buy a brand new console just to play current gen games. There is no way around this.

The Orange box was released a year or so ago. It was based on the Source Engine which has been kicking around in one sort or another for about 3 or 4 years now. So it is logical that a gaming PC built in 2004 would be able to play the games on it at launch. On the flip side in 2004 the PS2 was nearly at the end of it's life cycle having been around for 4 or 5 years at that time. A better comparative would be, could a PC built around the launch of the PS2 be able to play the Orange Box?