PC gamers....why must we always get shafted?

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Vault101

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BreakfastMan said:
"Choice of system"? Let me ask you: why do you have to choose one system? I have a 360, a PS3, a Wii, and a gaming-capable PC, not to mention all the older systems I have, so just choosing one system and sticking with it seems silly to me. : \
because as I said...I have a preference for the control scheme and set up which greatly affects my experience

so I mean own a PS3 but tht doesnt make playing on it any less headache inducing
Sleekit said:
no i mean "f2p" gaming.
ah....allow me to rephrase

GAAAHHH FUCK THAT!

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47_Ronin

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Games are getting more stale every day. I'd say we're all pretty effed up. PC at least has a nice amount of indies and f2p.
 

Vault101

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Sleekit said:
that's unfortunate as i was thinking of offering you a Firefall beta key to cheer you up.
really?...well its ok...I have an internet cap...but thanks for the thourght!

TBH honest I do actually have some small interest in warframe...anyway by issues with F2P are for certain reasons...
 

Vault101

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ResonanceSD said:
Meanwhile, in PC land.

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gaaaahhh....[i/]that game[/i]

it sits there mocking me....I cannot play it because of my internet cap
 

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I'm seeing things gradually getting better in PC land.

Kickstarter (among other platforms) makes it possible for niche genres to make medium budgets again.
Ubisoft have sworn off DRM (though we still have to wait and see).
More and more companies are coming back to the PC.

Besides, where else would you go for your fix of realtime strategy, 4X strategy, point&clickers, fast-paced shooters and builder games?
 

MagicAD

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I also hate how the baking industry shits all over bread. I mean, sure you get a massive selection of bread, from home-made loaves to little conveniently packaged bite-sized rolls, but where are the loaf sized danish pastries? Why can't I have my loaf of bread coated in icing sugar and full of raisins?

Seriously, dude, what in heaven's name is your problem? You love playing on a console but you don't like using the interface? Sounds to me like you don't love playing on a console. Maybe that's just my interpretation, which is evidently wrong because otherwise you wouldn't have posted on the internet.
Perhaps the things that you dislike about the console could be easily remedied: Gamepads aren't to your liking? Use a keyboard and mouse. Yeah, you can do that. Job's a good'un.

As far as 'the console market shafts PCs' goes, everything that you say can be switched back the other way, just like that:
'Downloading a game at 15gb a pop just isn't viable'
So where does that leave console owners who now have to download patches and download only titles which, some might argue, is a follow-on from the PC industry's way of doing things.

'90% of games are as frustrating as fuck'
Oh god, playing Batman on the PC is like having toffee-fudge hammered against your knuckles. I stopped playing Saint's Row 2 because I got sick of using the bloody keyboard.The gamepad interface is better for action adventure in my experience. Now, of course, I could connect my Xbox controller to my PC using arcane magicks, but I'd rather just play one of the other games I have.
I was suckered into buying PC ports by stupid rants such as yours which made it clear that PC had the best interface. I made a mistake. [Edit: I don't mean to say that keyboard and mouse isn't better for some things, I mean that it isn't the best for everything.]
Also, your claim that 90% of games contain shooting rides the line between simply wrong and downright stupid. Maybe 90% of the games that you buy for your console contain shooting. Maybe, just maybe, you want to go ahead and reconsider your purchases, there are a plaethora of wonderful shoot-heavy games for the PC, many of them better than the console-exclusives. Enough to keep you playing until your fingers are too rheumatism-crippled to stab away at the left mouse button. Play them, you fool!

Console exclusives exist, so do PC exclusives. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. DRM vs mandatory sign-ins and mandatory update downloading. Or, better still, DRM vs warrantee-invalidating fixes to hardweare problems that the console manufacturer won't acknowledge. I don't know if anybody other than you has heard that PC gaming is dying, but I'd be intested to see where you get such information. Is it from random opinion-biased rants like yours?

Console gamers, unite! Why do we always get shafted? PCs are easier to upgrade and upgrades come more often, they get Steam, you have to get a monitor with a better resolution than many TVs by default (because the lowest res monitors have a better resolution than...etc), oh, woe-is-me we have to use an ergonomically designed gamepad to play games taht were designed for a keyboard which has looooads of buttons when, nay IF, we get a port. OH NO! I've become that very thing that I was complaining about, a blinkered bigot with a chip on his shoulder because of some imagined slight.
 

Stavros Dimou

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this is more of a rant than anything else I supose

but I have to ask [b/]why does the games industry hate the PC?[/b]

I mean bad ports...you know I can deal with that
They sell us bad ports not because they are lazy,but because they are stingy. Work needs time to be done,and they don't want to spend enough man hours to make the appropriate work for a decent port. They don't care,they think that either way we will buy their games like good sheep and some of us will fix them,so why should they spend more man hours ?

DRM....is probably the biggest problem but its one of those things you grit and bear
I got used on Steam and I now like it. Seeing most games just using Steamworks for their DRM I feel it's OK. Now the problem is when other publishers just imitate Steam and want you to download and install new programs on your computer that will be running all the time. EA Origin, Ubisoft's Uplay...

not geting certain games....I'm still wating for Red Dead Rockstar...yes its 2 years old and Ive already played it on console...but I'm still waiting...[small/]dammit[/small]
That's how it has always been. Some games come only in one console,other comes on many consoles,other come on many consoles and pcs,and others only come at pcs.

and retail PC games are just downright depressing...granted thats hardly an issue for many with the rise of the digital platform...but for a fair number I'm sure downloading games at 15gb a pop just isn't viable
Yeah with the rise of Steam we saw shelf space of PC games in stores shrinking and shrinking... A large game would take long to download,but if you have some DSL connection,just wait for it.

the fact is when "we" are not being called pirates we are having to hear about how "PC gaming is dying" or some such crap, and I'm sick of it
While piracy exists and always was there,as it also exists on consoles since the PS1 era, lately lots of publishers blame their bad sales on piracy even if that's not the primary reason their games doesn't sell well. When some companies release broken ports that doesn't even fit the industry standards resulting their games unplayable,they shouldn't blame people that are not buying it for being pirates.
Again PC gaming isn't dying. If anything else Steam has 50 million users.


but do you get the feeling we are being pretty punished for our platform of choice? is it unreasonable of me to want to feel like I'm not being treated like a criminal if I want to play games? is it unreasonable of me to expect games to be released on my systm?
My idea is punish those who punish you,if they punish you for no legitimate reason. Put your dignity first and your excitement seconds,and don't buy a game if its company shows that doesn't respect you.


the differences between console and PC are vast in many ways...some might say "get a console" but I don't want a fucking console....[b/]consoles break games[/b]..hold on, hear me out
You are too general on this. Consoles only break once computer games. But there have been games that were designed for consoles from the get go and were never 'broke' by somebody.



90% of games thease days while good are still frustrating as fuck....because 90% contain shooting, and I love shooting but usuing a gamepad is somthing I will never really enjoy doing
the experience is so much better when I've got a moniter and the precision/ease of a mouse, thats the difference between a frustrating experience and an engaging one..hell I played ME3 first time around on my PS3 and I remember being beaten to a pulp by banshees
That's why console shooters have things like aim assist and auto aim in their options menus. Use them.


played on PC second time (same diffuculty) and those Banshee's were MY bitches...did not die once on the same encounter than beat me so many times before..which goes to show how I was just being hampered by artificial difficulty
Trying to aim with the stick without any help like aim assist is a difficult job and your aim will be inaccurate,but that's normal as the way sticks and the way lasers work is very different. So if you can't use a mouse,use assist systems.

my point there is NOT to say which platforms are better (seriously take that argument somhwere else) my point is my choice of systm is vital to my experience and "getting a console" is no fix for issues I feel are unfair
Ah what you reminded me. Once ago there was a time where game developers would boast that they spend enough time with each different version of their game,to make it so each version of their game makes the most use of the available powers and features of each platform. It was something that they believed we would like and would make them proud for doing. They where trying to make its different version of their game to be unique in each platform.
Fast forward to today,and the opposite happens.
Developers boast about making all platform versions of their games be the same. They market their laziness as something good,with the excuse that they do it for "platform equality" to fight console chauvinism or something... Yeah right.
 

Vault101

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Sleekit said:
that it's not actually free ? :p it is very badly named.

also there is the issue with "pay to win" but that's mostly due to bad decisions by bad developers.
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its not just that (I don't mind paying for stuff...you get what you pay for)

I mean on one hand it seems ok for a multiplayer model....and it might even get rid of all that "5 hour single player" bullshit

however the thing is F2P doesn't exactly mesh well with deep long single player games...thats the kind of experience I play games for....and it being a more and more attractive model for developers..well

can you say "Mass Effect MMO"? because it'll happen....
 

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PC games don't get the shaft. They tend to have much cheaper games, they have modding capabilities, while there is DRM you can transfer stuff easily in ways that you can't on console, certain types of games only show up on PC, there's benefits and disadvantages to every type of system whether it's PC or console. Yes you have to deal with DRM, but it is much much much easier to pirate a PC game. Bad ports happen both ways, if a game is built for a console, there's a good chance the port might not be very good, the same for PC to console ports, hell supreme commander was unplayable on consoles.
As for not having certain games on PC, that's how the industry works, just be happy if a game is coming to PC rather than ***** about it. If you don't like consoles, you are just gonna have to deal with not having the games that are made for them. I like Zelda but I don't have a Wii, I don't ***** about it, I just deal with it. As for controls though, if it matters that much, just plug your mouse and keyboard into the console, they are able to do that.
 

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Vault101 said:
BreakfastMan said:
"Choice of system"? Let me ask you: why do you have to choose one system? I have a 360, a PS3, a Wii, and a gaming-capable PC, not to mention all the older systems I have, so just choosing one system and sticking with it seems silly to me. : \
because as I said...I have a preference for the control scheme and set up which greatly affects my experience

so I mean own a PS3 but tht doesnt make playing on it any less headache inducing
Eh, I still can't understand that. Whenever I encounter a control scheme I am not used too, I "adapt or die", as it were, and things usually go great. It might be because my first FPS was Halo, and as such I grew accustomed to console control schemes first, but both work perfectly well for me. :p
 

Trippy Turtle

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PC gamers have no reason to complain. You get a ton more games than consoles, and generally for cheaper prices. I would be a PC gamer if the mouse and keyboard wasn't such a shitty control scheme and the community was decent.
PC doesn't deal with half the shit consoles do. Dark souls being one of the few games you don't have and you all start bitching for a port. Then you ***** about said port being 'only as good as the console version'.