PC games going out?

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dgwarhammer

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PC Gaming will never die... production costs for a quality game are huge and very few people can afford to make a game. So there are just fewer games coming out. A lot of good games will never get made because not enough people would play it to recoup the costs.

Besides everyone knows Blizzard pwnz all games.
 

Katana314

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Let's see.

FIRST QUARTER of 2009 saw 66.5 million personal computers sold. It doesn't matter how many of those are gaming machines; do you really think any of those people are "immune to boredom"?
Meanwhile, around 10 million Xboxes were sold in 2009 total.

As long as people have a computer in front of them, they'll want to play solitaire or tetris at the least. From there, things only progress upwards. Thank you for the discussion.
 

Mr. Grey

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I prefer physical copies of the games as I enjoy to open that box and smell it. If it all goes digital, I demand that they send me a scratch and sniff so that I can at least have the illusion of cracking open a new box and smelling the new game within!

I can't sleep at night without it... my precious... I won't let the hobbitses takes it away... not my precioussss.
 

Rednog

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It also depends where you go. A lot of places like Gamestop, EB, (w/e local similar type of game only retailer), have never really caught onto PC gaming. The problems with these stores is that they are all about selling, buying used games, and reselling. Which causes a constant flux of games on and off their shelves; the PC has never really had a used market for various reasons, primarily (at least in my opinion) is the serial key. Thus because of how these stores thrive it is beneficial for them to phase out (in the case of larger stores) or completely exclude (smaller stores) PC games for the needed shelf space.
If you go to large electronics stores like Best Buy they almost always have a huge selection of games. Hell, I live out of the states now and PC gaming in Europe seems really big. Borders like stores here have several aisles lined with PC games.
 

DazZ.

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DemonicKitten said:
Also, if you pay to download a game, what happens if the damn thing doesn't work? Can you send it back and get your money back via online? I think its easier to buy in a store, get a reciept and be able to take it back easily with no risks.
You can't take computer games back? Not once the box is opened because of how easy it would be to just go in, buy a game, install it and get the money back.

Well they don't let us do that where I am, if they do around you, happy free gaming.

Edit: I've noticed the smaller shelf as well, but I buy almost all my games from Steam, or other online retailers as it is cheaper.
 

Jekken6

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Where I get my games, EB Games and JB Hi Fi, there is enough PC games.

The main reason I don't really buy games off Steam is because I have a 25GB download limit per month and most games are about 8GB or higher ( the ones i want). So, i prefer retail.

And I'm a console gamer as well. I now get half of my games on PS3,games like AC2 and PS3 exclusives. And PC for shooters and RPGs
 

The Madman

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Fun trivia knowledge for ya: Gamestop makes a 50% gross profit from used game sales compared to the 21% they received from new games. At last count, over 53% of all games Gamestop sold were used, and it accounts for around half of Gamestops overall profits, and that's counting hardware and other such things.

I use Gamestop as my example because I was able to find some sales data for them, but every game retailer is telling the same story.

Now consider you can't resell most modern PC games, once they're sold they're sold, that's it! And what few games you could easily resell are difficult to tell apart from those you can't, how would a bored gamestop employee be able to tell the difference? They can't, and so the vast majority of the time there are no used PC games.

Then when you consider that PC gaming is only around 20%ish of the new games market, a market which is already smaller than the used games sales, and suddenly you begin to understand. Now new console games when sold have a chance of being traded back so that Gamestop could resell them at a higher profit. It's an investment to stock them. PC games nosomuch. Taking all that into account you begin to understand why these retailers choose to stop stocking PC games; it's a simple effort vs. profit.

Meanwhile go to any store that sells games, but not used games, and you'll likely find a PC section. Walmart & Future Shop for example. Without and investment into the used games market there's no reason *not* to stock PC games, after all they sell just as well as console games.

The point I'm getting at is that it isn't PC gaming which is changing nor has the PC suddenly begun to receive less games. Indeed according to Metacritic PC gaming was both the third largest by volume of games and the second 'best' of the platforms in 2009 by overall game rankings. It's the stores which are changing! And ya know what? As much as I love having a solid copy of all the newest games, digital sales seem to be the future for PC gaming with platforms like STEAM, Direct 2 Drive, Impulse and the like selling new games as well as smaller online distributors like GoG.com selling niche products you couldn't find in stores anyway.

And for all 2 people who read through all that, here are reference links to back up my words.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/05/gamestops-used-game-sales-data-in-beautiful-chart-form/

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2009/the-best-games-of-2009/?tag=topslot;title;1

Oh, and PC gaming in Japan is weird man. It's like a whole different platform than the one I know and love. I didn't even know this obscure and strange genre existed till I took a look round Akihabara and discovered just how big those (usually porn) games for the PC are there.
 

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I have a strange sensation that this topic has been brought up before.
I'll answer the same as then;
No. Mods alone is a reason to keep games alive. FPS' and RTS' should be played with keayboard and mouse. And yes I'm awere that you can plug in a keyboard & mouse to a console.
Wich is making the console more like a PC.
I don't hate consoles, I've just always been unable to see the point of them thus I don't own one. It the follows that I'm just making things up as I can't compare PC's to consoles when I've spent my entire gamer-life avoiding the latter.
/Ignorant fool signing off.
 

Flour

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Online store selling physical copies of games:

1700 PC games
450 xbox360 games
400 playstation 3 games
650 wii games

The actual numbers(rounded up or down to the nearest multiple of 50) will be inflated because of duplicate games and there is no option to exclude game-related hardware.(the actual number for PC games is somewhere between 1500 and 1550 if I would take the time to exclude the hardware)


The problem though, is that it is slowly moving to digital distribution. Well, not really a problem for most people but I want physical copies of everything I do.
 

Nwabudike Morgan

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Actsub said:
-PC Gaming
-Mainstream
-Ever

I think you're confused, PC gaming has never been mainstream.
How old are you? Because clearly you would have remembered how the game landscape of most of the 90s was dominated by the PC, if you were old enough to remember things that happened then. The popular games today may be hugely successful, but Doom was a national obsession. The games with the huge budgets and the heavy promotion, the type of games we play now on consoles, weren't on the consoles much if at all, they were all for the PC. Look at the games people wanted to see at E3 during the period and got all the press coverage. They weren't console games. Today's PC gaming elite say console games are "dumbed down" because they're bitter that the console games of today are just the PC games from then, only instead of being clunky and unintuitive, they actually play the way they should.
 
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Nwabudike Morgan said:
Actsub said:
-PC Gaming
-Mainstream
-Ever

I think you're confused, PC gaming has never been mainstream.
How old are you? Because clearly you would have remembered how the game landscape of most of the 90s was dominated by the PC, if you were old enough to remember things that happened then. The popular games today may be hugely successful, but Doom was a national obsession. The games with the huge budgets and the heavy promotion, the type of games we play now on consoles, weren't on the consoles much if at all, they were all for the PC. Look at the games people wanted to see at E3 during the period and got all the press coverage. They weren't console games. Today's PC gaming elite say console games are "dumbed down" because they're bitter that the console games of today are just the PC games from then, only instead of being clunky and unintuitive, they actually play the way they should.
i really dont wanna start a huge war here...but how old are you? doom was awesome but there were so many more games on consoles (hell even gameboy if you wanna count that too) that were way more popular and sold than pc in the 90's

if you have solid facts then please show the links becuz i really doubt this with how many huge games and series that came out in the 90's, and alot of them were console exclusive
 

syndicated44

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What the hell is up with these threads? That picture that gets posted EVERY time. Look at that if you ever want to make another one of these.
 

Phoenix Arrow

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Saris Kai said:
2. Its cheaper and easier to make console games because they are typically smaller and have less interactivity than PC games.
That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day. Granted, it's only 3am, but still.
How is there any difference between the potential size of a PS3/360 game and a PC game? I mean, theoretically, you COULD have a massive game taking up 100's of GB on the PC, but there's no game on the PC that couldn't theoretically be ported to the consoles. Blind elitism makes me sad, and I'm a PC gamer (apparently)

Actsub said:
Gfan_00 said:
Why did you put Wii and Nintendo?

OT:Sadly, PC gaming isn't as mainstream as it used to be, and will be put out of its misery soon enough.
-PC Gaming
-Mainstream
-Ever

I think you're confused, PC gaming has never been mainstream.
Err. Do you remember the 90's at all?
 

Nwabudike Morgan

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gmaverick019 said:
Nwabudike Morgan said:
Actsub said:
-PC Gaming
-Mainstream
-Ever

I think you're confused, PC gaming has never been mainstream.
How old are you? Because clearly you would have remembered how the game landscape of most of the 90s was dominated by the PC, if you were old enough to remember things that happened then. The popular games today may be hugely successful, but Doom was a national obsession. The games with the huge budgets and the heavy promotion, the type of games we play now on consoles, weren't on the consoles much if at all, they were all for the PC. Look at the games people wanted to see at E3 during the period and got all the press coverage. They weren't console games. Today's PC gaming elite say console games are "dumbed down" because they're bitter that the console games of today are just the PC games from then, only instead of being clunky and unintuitive, they actually play the way they should.
i really dont wanna start a huge war here...but how old are you? doom was awesome but there were so many more games on consoles (hell even gameboy if you wanna count that too) that were way more popular and sold than pc in the 90's

if you have solid facts then please show the links becuz i really doubt this with how many huge games and series that came out in the 90's, and alot of them were console exclusive
Read Masters of Doom. Or just ask a gamer over 25 who John Romero was, and how it felt to be made his *****. We all sucked it down(tm).
 

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Nwabudike Morgan said:
Read Masters of Doom. Or just ask a gamer over 25 who John Romero was, and how it felt to be made his *****. We all sucked it down(tm).
Oh you asshole. You know how much therapy it took took to completely squash the memory of that game?

Excuse me while I go hug a bottle of scotch.
 

Grigori361

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Dying? Not quite, there are a few game genre's that simply as of yet haven't or perhaps can't (yet) be translated well onto console, the RTS for example. Okay well maybe various tactical and strategy based games are pretty much it, but still the point stands. The genre's while not particularly large do not so far as I know have shrinking fan basis, I suspect it's just a matter of alot being done on steam these days and like what's his name said it's less profitable for the stores to keep them in. But seriously it IS getting a wee bit ridiculous, with more space alloted to the wii's "old people workout time" then say.... all of the PC games of valve, relic, and THQ among others? Yeah I think it is.
 

Nwabudike Morgan

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TOGSolid said:
Nwabudike Morgan said:
Read Masters of Doom. Or just ask a gamer over 25 who John Romero was, and how it felt to be made his *****. We all sucked it down(tm).
Oh you asshole. You know how much therapy it took took to completely squash the memory of that game?

Excuse me while I go hug a bottle of scotch.
Eidos gave him $25 million dollars without him showing them any games that his new studio was working on, and continued to pump millions into it solely because he's the guy who came up with Doom and Quake, and he spent almost all of it on the world's most ridiculously lavish and impractical penthouse office, and Eidos for most of the ordeal didn't care. Whatever it took to make sure John Romero was happy and making those games that are going to be so amazing and popular the cost didn't matter.