PC Gaming is Cool And All... But...

[RadioactiveMicrobe]

I have both Xbox and PC.

I prefer the Xbox for the games it has, and the use of controllers, and the easy use of support.

What I mean is, you buy a game for Xbox and pop it in.

PC = Buying it, possibly waiting for it to download, waiting for it to install, attempting to play it, get angry that it doesn't work, read through online forums, try automatics patches, realize that the automatic patches didn't work, attempt to manually patch it, get angry that that doesn't solve the problem, try about 4 other methods described on forums, get it to kind of work, get sick of trying, and just be happy with a game that 80% works.

Wow, I have both and I must say your statement is incredibly incorrect. If you are at 80%, I am pretty sure that is user error. In the last 4 years I can only think of one game I had trouble getting to work correctly, and I have 40+ PC games. As for patches, yeah, PC has them. So does XBox.

As for buying a game, tell you what. You order a console game online and I will order a PC game. I bet I am playing the game about 3 days before you. If you go to a store you will probably pay more. I think I can wait the 1 hour (8 hours for a slow connection) to download a game in order to save money. Of course it takes time for people to get to a store, buy the game, and return (plus the cost of gas). On top of that, for new releases download services often have pre downloads. So there is almost no wait to play a game as soon as it launches. Way faster than having to wait in line for some midnight release.

As for installing a game, it makes load times twice as fast as a console and ten times faster if you have a SSD drive. The overall wait time in game while playing a console with be much, much longer than the time it takes to install. I laugh when I hear console players complain about load times in games when it only takes a few seconds for me.

Okay, maybe for you, they work, but I have horrible luck with everything ever. It took my well over 7 hours to get KOTOR to work, and even then, I couldn't move after combat sequences, but I just gave up and dealt with it.

 

[scott91575]

I have both Xbox and PC.

I prefer the Xbox for the games it has, and the use of controllers, and the easy use of support.

What I mean is, you buy a game for Xbox and pop it in.

PC = Buying it, possibly waiting for it to download, waiting for it to install, attempting to play it, get angry that it doesn't work, read through online forums, try automatics patches, realize that the automatic patches didn't work, attempt to manually patch it, get angry that that doesn't solve the problem, try about 4 other methods described on forums, get it to kind of work, get sick of trying, and just be happy with a game that 80% works.

Wow, I have both and I must say your statement is incredibly incorrect. If you are at 80%, I am pretty sure that is user error. In the last 4 years I can only think of one game I had trouble getting to work correctly, and I have 40+ PC games. As for patches, yeah, PC has them. So does XBox.

As for buying a game, tell you what. You order a console game online and I will order a PC game. I bet I am playing the game about 3 days before you. If you go to a store you will probably pay more. I think I can wait the 1 hour (8 hours for a slow connection) to download a game in order to save money. Of course it takes time for people to get to a store, buy the game, and return (plus the cost of gas). On top of that, for new releases download services often have pre downloads. So there is almost no wait to play a game as soon as it launches. Way faster than having to wait in line for some midnight release.

As for installing a game, it makes load times twice as fast as a console and ten times faster if you have a SSD drive. The overall wait time in game while playing a console with be much, much longer than the time it takes to install. I laugh when I hear console players complain about load times in games when it only takes a few seconds for me.

Okay, maybe for you, they work, but I have horrible luck with everything ever. It took my well over 7 hours to get KOTOR to work, and even then, I couldn't move after combat sequences, but I just gave up and dealt with it.

When was that? Recently or 8 years ago when the game was released? I guess I can't speak on that one since it's been about 8 years since I played it. I don't recall having issues with it though. If it has Windows 7 compatibility issues that can be cleared up by upgrading to W7 Proffesional and running it in XP mode.

Heck, KOTOR has issues if played on the 360.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

My biggest problem with PC's is that the mouse and keyboard just aren't as good as a console controller.

 

[Twilight_guy]

It's my opinion that creating an argument based on the arbitrary differences between the two is like starting an augment on whither Superman or Batman is better. Why does there need to be an argument? Why can't we just be happy with it. What drives such a silly feud? I don't understand this at all. On a side note, I appreciate your opinions and idea but starting any thread that attempts to discuss the issue always ends in tears, unfortunately.

What drives the feud now, is the issue of developers making the majority of their games for consoles, and leaving the PC gamers behind with a Console-port version of the game.

No. That's not true. I can guarantee its not true because there are arguments over the subject that revolve around other topics. I think the reason is more psychological and harder to grasp then a single issue. (This also only explains PC gamers hate, not console gamer hate).

an example?

Several of the posts on this thread, notably on this page address the issue of price. Specifically about how PC costs a lot and need to be upgraded. Another issues I've seen is about Mods on PC games. I've seen more then a few arguments that assert that PCs are better because of the mouse and keyboard which makes games like RTSs easier to control. Another person notes that PCs have more difficulty with getting games to run due to software and hardware differences. Another person asserts that PC games are better because they aren't limited by hardware i.e. you can change the hardware and improve your PC easily.

Just glaceing through some of these other posts there are a variety of arguments that extend beyond issue of games and ports. I think you can agree that people are thinking about more then just what developers are developing on.

well, yes, they are. But you have to understand that having better/different controls or the cost of either isn't a big enough issue to fuel the discussion itself. The (unsaid) argument has become this, "which is better?". What you have described are responses to the question "which is better", not reasons for asking, "which is better".

PC gamers are getting annoyed that they're getting ignored by the Dev community, and have taken to the forums to explain why they shouldn't get ignored (because they're better).

There is more to it, obviously than just that, such as what you suggested, (the whole batman vs superman thing). Some people just like to try to prove that what they use is superior to what another person uses. But I'm not convinced that that alone is enough to fuel an internet-wide feud.

I'm sorry but that smacks me as a "no true Scotsman" argument. I just don't think that your particular argument about games is the most important one. I think its just one among many. To each his own though.

 

[Cronq]

I was buying some DLC for my son today: a Little Big Planet 2 Costume. I went to purchase the DLC from the Sony PSN Store, and I ended up paying $5 even though all I wanted to spend was $1.99. I now have a $3.01 balance in my "wallet".

Fuck closed platforms and all the control freak shit Microsoft and Sony shove down people's throats.

PC's are an open platform. Try this ^^^PSN^^^ shit on a PC and you'll be out of business.

My average game purchase price on my PS3 is over $35, and that is with buying used. My average purchase price on PC is under $7.

I'm done with consoles.

 

[RadioactiveMicrobe]

I have both Xbox and PC.

I prefer the Xbox for the games it has, and the use of controllers, and the easy use of support.

What I mean is, you buy a game for Xbox and pop it in.

PC = Buying it, possibly waiting for it to download, waiting for it to install, attempting to play it, get angry that it doesn't work, read through online forums, try automatics patches, realize that the automatic patches didn't work, attempt to manually patch it, get angry that that doesn't solve the problem, try about 4 other methods described on forums, get it to kind of work, get sick of trying, and just be happy with a game that 80% works.

Wow, I have both and I must say your statement is incredibly incorrect. If you are at 80%, I am pretty sure that is user error. In the last 4 years I can only think of one game I had trouble getting to work correctly, and I have 40+ PC games. As for patches, yeah, PC has them. So does XBox.

As for buying a game, tell you what. You order a console game online and I will order a PC game. I bet I am playing the game about 3 days before you. If you go to a store you will probably pay more. I think I can wait the 1 hour (8 hours for a slow connection) to download a game in order to save money. Of course it takes time for people to get to a store, buy the game, and return (plus the cost of gas). On top of that, for new releases download services often have pre downloads. So there is almost no wait to play a game as soon as it launches. Way faster than having to wait in line for some midnight release.

As for installing a game, it makes load times twice as fast as a console and ten times faster if you have a SSD drive. The overall wait time in game while playing a console with be much, much longer than the time it takes to install. I laugh when I hear console players complain about load times in games when it only takes a few seconds for me.

Okay, maybe for you, they work, but I have horrible luck with everything ever. It took my well over 7 hours to get KOTOR to work, and even then, I couldn't move after combat sequences, but I just gave up and dealt with it.

When was that? Recently or 8 years ago when the game was released? I guess I can't speak on that one since it's been about 8 years since I played it. I don't recall having issues with it though. If it has Windows 7 compatibility issues that can be cleared up by upgrading to W7 Proffesional and running it in XP mode.

Heck, KOTOR has issues if played on the 360.

About a year or two ago. It was actually an issue between the OS AND the graphics card. Supposedly the combination of the two spells bad things for KOTOR and a lot of games surprisingly. Running KOTOR in XP mode made the game go from crashing every 5 minutes to crashing every 7 minutes. I ended up having to rewrite most of the config file.

 

[Waaghpowa]

About a year or two ago. It was actually an issue between the OS AND the graphics card. Supposedly the combination of the two spells bad things for KOTOR and a lot of games surprisingly. Running KOTOR in XP mode made the game go from crashing every 5 minutes to crashing every 7 minutes. I ended up having to rewrite most of the config file.

It's already been acknowledged that KOTOR has issues with windows 7. There are a few fixes now http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1620666

Assuming you haven't already tried these.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

I prefer my PC for some games like Oblivion and Battlefield.
And I prefer my 360 for some other games like Mass Effect and Bioshock.

It really just depends.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

Surround Sound > Monitor Speakers

I'll always play on console.

 

[scott91575]

I have both Xbox and PC.

I prefer the Xbox for the games it has, and the use of controllers, and the easy use of support.

What I mean is, you buy a game for Xbox and pop it in.

PC = Buying it, possibly waiting for it to download, waiting for it to install, attempting to play it, get angry that it doesn't work, read through online forums, try automatics patches, realize that the automatic patches didn't work, attempt to manually patch it, get angry that that doesn't solve the problem, try about 4 other methods described on forums, get it to kind of work, get sick of trying, and just be happy with a game that 80% works.

Wow, I have both and I must say your statement is incredibly incorrect. If you are at 80%, I am pretty sure that is user error. In the last 4 years I can only think of one game I had trouble getting to work correctly, and I have 40+ PC games. As for patches, yeah, PC has them. So does XBox.

As for buying a game, tell you what. You order a console game online and I will order a PC game. I bet I am playing the game about 3 days before you. If you go to a store you will probably pay more. I think I can wait the 1 hour (8 hours for a slow connection) to download a game in order to save money. Of course it takes time for people to get to a store, buy the game, and return (plus the cost of gas). On top of that, for new releases download services often have pre downloads. So there is almost no wait to play a game as soon as it launches. Way faster than having to wait in line for some midnight release.

As for installing a game, it makes load times twice as fast as a console and ten times faster if you have a SSD drive. The overall wait time in game while playing a console with be much, much longer than the time it takes to install. I laugh when I hear console players complain about load times in games when it only takes a few seconds for me.

Okay, maybe for you, they work, but I have horrible luck with everything ever. It took my well over 7 hours to get KOTOR to work, and even then, I couldn't move after combat sequences, but I just gave up and dealt with it.

When was that? Recently or 8 years ago when the game was released? I guess I can't speak on that one since it's been about 8 years since I played it. I don't recall having issues with it though. If it has Windows 7 compatibility issues that can be cleared up by upgrading to W7 Proffesional and running it in XP mode.

Heck, KOTOR has issues if played on the 360.

About a year or two ago. It was actually an issue between the OS AND the graphics card. Supposedly the combination of the two spells bad things for KOTOR and a lot of games surprisingly. Running KOTOR in XP mode made the game go from crashing every 5 minutes to crashing every 7 minutes. I ended up having to rewrite most of the config file.

I don't see how having trouble with such an old game makes consoles any better. XBox games have all kind of issues on the XBox 360 (including KOTOR), and many are not even supported. Sure, if you have an original XBox it would work well, but the same thing could be said if you had an 8 year old computer.

The plus with PC's is you will have a community of fans that actually patch the game for free in order to work. You don't have that with XBox or PS3. You have to hope they do it. If not, you are out of luck.

 

[scott91575]

Surround Sound > Monitor Speakers

I'll always play on console.

I play computer games on a big screen with surround sound. Heck, just get a good headset. If anything sound cards and even on board sound for PC's are far superior to consoles.

 

[JET1971]

My biggest problem with PC's is that the mouse and keyboard just aren't as good as a console controller.

Then use a gamepad. 360 controllers work on a PC.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Surround Sound > Monitor Speakers

I'll always play on console.

My pc must be a console.....right?

 

[JET1971]

What PC does not come with atleast 5.1 surround sound support native today and usualy 7.1? So you buy the speakers. well thats cheaper than buying a surround sound system for the TV.

 

[TheBritishAreComing]

I'm a PC gamer and I personally think that consoles are a good thing. It allows people who don't have the money/interest/etc. to research and buy the best parts for PC and what-not. Yes, PCs are more powerful but that doesn't mean consoles are outdated garbage.

 

[Waaghpowa]

that doesn't mean consoles are outdated garbage.

Outdated? Yes. Garbage? Not at all.

 

[Balobo]

Surround Sound > Monitor Speakers

I'll always play on console.

fyi PC has surround sound. That's what selecting "5.1" or higher in the menu of your game does.

 

[JET1971]

Anyone else have another "Derp Consoles are superior Derp" statement? The surround sound one was a good one.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Anyone else have another "Derp Consoles are superior Derp" statement? The surround sound one was a good one.

How about...

Hurp, my games say 1080p on the back of the box, it's in HD.