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xPixelatedx

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You forgot to mention that consoles are more social experiences. Between Split screen and multiple controllers, it's always fun to be social when gaming. AND NO, I don't mean social as it talking to someone from a cross the world with a mic, I mean having another human being sitting beside you social; Actually social. Consoles encourage this behavior, PCs discourage it. I mean, lan parties are cool and all, but regular people don't disconnect their desktops and lug them around to parties. That's something more reserved for the hardcore crowd. It's an awful lot of inconvenience just to be able to join a game, and while anyone can do it, it isn't very particle still. This is exactly what I mean when I say PCs Actually discourage social interaction, since they are more easily and efficiently used in multilayer gaming when everyone stays at their own home.
 

Waaghpowa

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xPixelatedx said:
As I can agree as far as social interaction via splitscreen MP, that is also slowly dying. Developers feel that they can leave that out of console games because "they can just play online together". I used to have hours of fun during highschool playing Smash brothers with friends on the N64.

So yes, console games CAN be more social, but that's slowly coming to an end.
 

FieryTrainwreck

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PCs cost more at the start but upgrading can be cheaper.
Yeah, no. I built my machine last fall with fairly top-of-the-line bits, but I was considering a GPU upgrade for my upcoming birthday present (to myself). Turns out any video card that will noticeably improve my performance will also cost me ~$450-500.

There is no "PC vs console" argument. If you can afford to purchase and maintain a computer, and create the appropriate setup, a high-end gaming PC is miles better than any console. This is plain fact to anyone who has access to both types of machines. Assuming you've put your entertainment area together like I did (not hard, not rare), the only difference between the PC and the 360/PS3 is that PC games load faster, look much nicer, and can all be stored in the same place without having to swap discs.

This doesn't make pc gamers some kind of master race, but I can understand their (our?) frustration when console-only gamers run their mouths.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
There's ways to inform people without talking down to them. I'm not saying you specifically, but I made a simple mistake, there's no reason people have to be outlandish and arrogant over everyday human-error. You've actually been pretty civil about this.

I've been a bit snarky over this and I apologize, but I don't like looking up and seeing that I have multiple messages all of which are belittling me over something so pointless.
 

scott91575

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FieryTrainwreck said:
PCs cost more at the start but upgrading can be cheaper.
Yeah, no. I built my machine last fall with fairly top-of-the-line bits, but I was considering a GPU upgrade for my upcoming birthday present (to myself). Turns out any video card that will noticeably improve my performance will also cost me ~$450-500.
Sounds to me you don't need to upgrade. If it takes a GTX580 in order to notice a difference, then you have a very good card to start out with and no need to upgrade.
 

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FieryTrainwreck said:
PCs cost more at the start but upgrading can be cheaper.
Yeah, no. I built my machine last fall with fairly top-of-the-line bits, but I was considering a GPU upgrade for my upcoming birthday present (to myself). Turns out any video card that will noticeably improve my performance will also cost me ~$450-500.

There is no "PC vs console" argument. If you can afford to purchase and maintain a computer, and create the appropriate setup, a high-end gaming PC is miles better than any console. This is plain fact to anyone who has access to both types of machines. Assuming you've put your entertainment area together like I did (not hard, not rare), the only difference between the PC and the 360/PS3 is that PC games load faster, look much nicer, and can all be stored in the same place without having to swap discs.

This doesn't make pc gamers some kind of master race, but I can understand their (our?) frustration when console-only gamers run their mouths.
I think you've missed the point, as an avid PC gamer I must say the cheaper cost of consoles IS the argument. That and the ever loved personal preference.
 

Waaghpowa

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Buchholz101 said:
Waaghpowa said:
There's ways to inform people without talking down to them. I'm not saying you specifically, but I made a simple mistake, there's no reason people have to be outlandish and arrogant over everyday human-error. You've actually been pretty civil about this.

I've been a bit snarky over this and I apologize, but I don't like looking up and seeing that I have multiple messages all of which are belittling me over something so pointless.
Tone of voice and inflections don't translate through text, things get misinterpreted often. All I can say is think and proof read to the best of your ability before posting lest this happens.

In our defense, read your post aloud to yourself and consider how frustrating it is for us to have to constantly re explain all these misconceptions of the topic. You'd be a little annoyed too.
 

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Guys I thought we were past this.

Its like arguing whats better, coke or Pepsi, its all down to taste. I grew up with PC's and thus I vastly prefer them, but its complete bias and I'm not blind to its cons.
My thoughts exactly, though taste boils down to what games you enjoy as well. I love RPGs, and although people will love to shout out their love for Dragon Age and Elder Scrolls, games like the older Final Fantasies, Tales, Suikoden, and Dragon Quest to name a few just wouldn't feel right without the use of a controller. Turn-based and even some real-time games just don't need the M/K setup in the same way that the F/3PS genres need it. And if it weren't for consoles creating the controller in the first place, we'd probably still be using basic phallic joysticks on the off-chance we EVER stopped using M/K

I grew up with Consoles, but had to slowly migrate to PC due to lack of funds and lack of job, but having obtained a decent comp before the lack of job came to be, so I'm kind of on the fence here. I can't say console gaming doesn't have its place, or at the very least wasn't INCREDIBLY influential in the growth of gaming as a whole. Of course, with the way things are going, this whole discussion may as well be moot, as PCs are starting to adapt more and more conventions of gaming, and gaming consoles are trying to branch out and do more and more things in addition to playing video games, so that they're no longer just another big, black box sitting beside your TV.
 

Vibhor

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This thread again?
If you can afford a PC then go for it.
If you cannot afford a PC then go for console.
Is it really that hard to comprehend?
 

NoNameMcgee

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I'm a PC gamer, and I actually use an XBOX360 controller for most of my games. I also don't care about mods (they usually suck) and I honestly do NOT believe online communities are better on the PC.

I just blew some peoples minds, I think.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
I'd get into PC Gaming, but I can't get a big desktop computer, for reasons of price, convenience, what I need the computer itself for, and space. Now when they can create a laptop that can

A: Play current gen games without either risking overheating or the fans being louder than the game.
B: Does not cost so much I can afford a desktop PC AND and console at that price
C: Is able to not just have to be dedicated to gaming so I can keep my class assignments on it and all my notes on it.
D: Is still not a pain in the ass to lug around or take up too much space and
E: Not require me to open up and mod my laptop, thus voiding the warranty
My laptop is all but B on your list. And my last gaming laptop was all of those, except a little bit of overheating when I maxed out grpahics on particular games and was playing on my actual lap instead of a well ventilated area.
 

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TEMHOTA said:
RadioactiveMicrobe said:
I honestly just prefer the consoles. Call me crazy, but I prefer the controllers. It just feels better in my hands, and I feel like I can do more stuff faster with controllers.

Plus, the modding scene is kind of a con for me for PC gaming. Sometimes I just want to play the game the way it was made, but all these mods and whatnot make that very hard to accomplish.
lol what? The mods make it hard for you to play the games? Wow, this is the weakest bullshit yet.
I hate it when the mod police shows up and forces me to play games with mods. It's such a hassle.
 

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I'm a PC gamer, and I actually use an XBOX360 controller for most of my games. I also don't care about mods apart from in a few outstanding circumstances (they are usually badly made and detract from the canon, and/or make the game buggy) and from my experience, online communities are NOT better on the PC.

I just blew some peoples minds, I think.
 

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I have both a PC and consoles.
I have reach one solid conclusion.
Both can play games. (I was tempted to just stop here)
Both have pros and cons.
Both have a certain control system.
[small]And thus...[/small]Both have certain game genres that they perform better in.

There shouldn't be any debate.

Both have their differences.

PC, while technologically better and more functional,
is costly compared to a console

And that's it...each play games very well...so why fight about it?

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Although
I'm a bit confused with people who think that the controller is better then the mouse/keyboard ALL THE TIME
...it isn't. FPS's just work better with a mouse, along with a number of other genres.
 

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Radeonx said:
Just to point out, cross platform gaming will never be truly balanced because the precision of mouse and keyboard is too far ahead of controllers to keep it balanced.
Except for the fact that its not... Common myth number one spread by PC gamers. The range of depth on a mouse for aiming is the exact same as any analog stick. Most console games do have an aiming support, but thats mostly to help offset lag issues. While we could argue back and forth all day between how precise you nudge your mouse compared to how precise I can nudge my analog stick, its just easier to call BS and say it comes down to preference.

As for PC gaming, I honestly think its a trend thats dying out quickly. As soon as consoles get some of the benefits of Steam, and can handle a massive ammount of data storage, PC gaming will start to die off. The only thing keeping PC gaming alive is indie developers, pirates, and Steam (and Steam-like services).

The problem with PC's is compatability. More often than not getting a computer that will run every game is downright impossible. Its entirely too much of a hastle, and its not something that can spread mass appeal. Gaming consoles don't need you to install drivers, to install the games, etc. And once they can get to the point where they openly embrace mods and have a price cut to games (and/or daily deals, like Steam), PC gaming is really going to take a hit - just cattering to indie devs and MMORPGers
 

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Uber Waddles said:
Radeonx said:
Just to point out, cross platform gaming will never be truly balanced because the precision of mouse and keyboard is too far ahead of controllers to keep it balanced.
Except for the fact that its not... Common myth number one spread by PC gamers. The range of depth on a mouse for aiming is the exact same as any analog stick. Most console games do have an aiming support, but thats mostly to help offset lag issues. While we could argue back and forth all day between how precise you nudge your mouse compared to how precise I can nudge my analog stick, its just easier to call BS and say it comes down to preference.

As for PC gaming, I honestly think its a trend thats dying out quickly. As soon as consoles get some of the benefits of Steam, and can handle a massive ammount of data storage, PC gaming will start to die off. The only thing keeping PC gaming alive is indie developers, pirates, and Steam (and Steam-like services).

The problem with PC's is compatability. More often than not getting a computer that will run every game is downright impossible. Its entirely too much of a hastle, and its not something that can spread mass appeal. Gaming consoles don't need you to install drivers, to install the games, etc. And once they can get to the point where they openly embrace mods and have a price cut to games (and/or daily deals, like Steam), PC gaming is really going to take a hit - just cattering to indie devs and MMORPGers
At this point I am sick of this, and it's an outright lie. I have no issues playing games on PC. As for installing, see my point earlier. The time it takes to install is way less the added time to the loading screens you see in consoles.

Your mouse vs. analog stick point is laughable. If you honestly think the aiming assist is there for lag, then why is it not needed for PC's? PC's don't use a special style of internet. For lag you modify the hit box, not add in aiming assist. Plus, if it's for lag why is it there for single player?

Oh, and good luck playing a RTS with a controller.

BTW...PC gaming is a $16+ Billion industry and growing at a 20% rate. If anything, consoles are scared by the fact computers are taking new forms and stealing away huge chunks of their revenue.
 

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Mr. Omega said:
I'd get into PC Gaming, but I can't get a big desktop computer, for reasons of price, convenience, what I need the computer itself for, and space. Now when they can create a laptop that can

A: Play current gen games without either risking overheating or the fans being louder than the game.
B: Does not cost so much I can afford a desktop PC AND and console at that price
C: Is able to not just have to be dedicated to gaming so I can keep my class assignments on it and all my notes on it.
D: Is still not a pain in the ass to lug around or take up too much space and
E: Not require me to open up and mod my laptop, thus voiding the warranty
A. most new laptops can play current gen games. look for ones with Nvidia or ATI video cards. Dont set it down on a towel while using it.
B. You dont need both. just a laptop will suffice and a docking station or just plug the monitor and kb/mouse in at the desk.
C. A gaming system can still run ms office or whatever you use for schoolwork. Infact better in most cases than an office rig.
D. There are plenty of satchels that can hold an average size laptop, jsut dont get one with a big ass screen.
E. by the time you need to open it to upgrade the RAM or HDD the warrantee will be out anyway.

http://www.alienware.com/Landings/laptops.aspx (Starting at $749)

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