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Treblaine

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Alade said:
Well, first of, your blood pressure is higher while sitting than while lying down, which can lead to heart disease. (this is common knowledge)

Secondly, long time sitting obviously leads to colon cancer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303499204576387843134027056.html

Sitting and spinal injuries are linked a lot, this is also common knowledge.
http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/h_Chair_Sit2.htm

The link with diabeetes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2008/0610-stand_up_for_your_health.htm

Can I get a touche? (I actually had to spend some time finding these links)
These aren't arguments against PC gaming, these are arguments against ALL gaming (except kinect arm-flail games).

"Activities are considered sedentary if they require very low energy expenditure, such as prolonged sitting."

Such as. Not exclusively "chair sitting" but includes lazing on a couch. So unless you happen to stand freely when using a gamepad then you are at the same risk of ass cancer. Interestingly I have a bar-stool for gaming on consoles for whatever that counts.

If sitting is a desk chair causes you to get such a stiff back that you have to get up and walk it off that is GOOD! Hell, reclining on a couch is just too sedentary you could fall to sleep.
 

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Dexter111 said:
Gorilla Gunk said:
Can that "Destitute" build play Crysis at the highest settings without any problems?
It can't
Could have stopped right there.

And you missed my point, which is if playing on a PC is really that much better I'm not going to settle for middle-ground. If I'm going to play on PC, I want a PC that can play every game at it's highest settings without any kind of problems and I expect that it'll keep that level of performance up for 5 years or whatever without ever having to update it. If there's a way to build a computer like that for under $300 then by all means tell me how its done.
 

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Murmur95 said:
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PC - better for FPS and RTS
Console - Better for sport, racing, hack'n'slash games
Diablo / oblivion > PC than consoles (which can be considered hack'n'slash
Diablo I never cared for, but Torchlight (guess it is pretty much the same?) I wish my controller worked for... The 'click here to walk here' thing is kind of annoying. Ok, the Elder Scrolls games are RPGs, I don't get why that is so hard for people. I can see why some people can consider it a hack'n'slash, but one guy was trying to tell me once that Morrowind was the best FPS where was. -.-
 

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people moaning about slow pc's:

build this, it's a cheap, effective console destroying machiene
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-188-MS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-099-MS
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with any other components you prefer
i guarantee that system will boot in under 15 seconds if you enable quick boot and don't deliberately load it down with un-necessary bloat ware
because mine does and it's an older generation
it will last you 6-8 years if you choose an intelligent upgrade path, as it is already forward compatible with intel's planned cpu releases
and is sli /xfire able so you can plug in another matching card, or upgrade to a later generation and use this one as a physics processor
( or rely on the hydra gpu balancing thing, but i wouldn't... tbh. )
you can add more ssd's later in raid to further improve the already stupidly fast load times of that ocz drive and double / quadrouple the space
or add a terrabyte+ drive and use the ssd as readyboost cache ( hybrid ssd mode )

and no i don't claim this is an optimal system, or cutting edge in anyway but it's easily possible to thrash a console, get very nice components, have a very real upgrade path and still get change out of £500 ( 800usd ) if all you need is a core system upgrade to a gaming pc ( which i assume is the case for most people )
( the least i could make the entire system, with everything you need to get on the net and play something was £570 ( 930usd )including postage, it could be done cheaper but i made a system with an viable upgrade path for everything, so you can replace parts and essentially have a new pc when consoles are released to keep pace with modernising game ports, or to play graphics intensive titles such as the witcher, or crysis in dx11 so you can make your friends drool at the pretty pixels )

the
#real#
issue with console vs pc is how much effort do you really want to put into it in all honesty
from building, to optimising software pc's do take more time / effort but imo it pays off unless you have so much money you don't care, in which case why don't you have all platforms for the lols anyway?
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
Dexter111 said:
Gorilla Gunk said:
Can that "Destitute" build play Crysis at the highest settings without any problems?
It can't
Could have stopped right there.

And you missed my point, which is if playing on a PC is really that much better I'm not going to settle for middle-ground. If I'm going to play on PC, I want a PC that can play every game at it's highest settings without any kind of problems and I expect that it'll keep that level of performance up for 5 years or whatever without ever having to update it. If there's a way to build a computer like that for under $300 then by all means tell me how its done.
It's not, and $300 is laughable considering consoles aren't that when they come out. Computers aren't made specifically for gaming, and they do so much more. Sure, you won't run Crysis on max, but you'll still run it better than a console ever could. Do consoles come with an HDMI cable, full surround sound, and a 72" LED TV? No. Are they needed to play the game? No. Are they nice? Yes. Are maxed on graphics on PC needed to play the game? Nope. Nice? Yep.
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
Dexter111 said:
Gorilla Gunk said:
Can that "Destitute" build play Crysis at the highest settings without any problems?
It can't
Could have stopped right there.

And you missed my point, which is if playing on a PC is really that much better I'm not going to settle for middle-ground. If I'm going to play on PC, I want a PC that can play every game at it's highest settings without any kind of problems and I expect that it'll keep that level of performance up for 5 years or whatever without ever having to update it. If there's a way to build a computer like that for under $300 then by all means tell me how its done.
Sure there is. Go work with hardware. That's how a friend of mine built his high-end PC for something like 300$ bucks. He repairs PCs - when people bring him a fried PC some parts may be salvaged and some can't. Example: client's PC got fried by thunder, blowing the PSU and frying the mobo, drives and ram. the gfx miraculously survived but the client couldn't afford (and didn't need) a high-end gaming PC so he bought the card from the client and assembled a cheaper PC with integrated gfx.

Then there's of course ebay.

You can't do that with consoles, no matter how hard you may try.
 

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SgtFoley said:
PC games are at most $10 cheaper not £10.
You know you forgot about Steam and other digital distributors, right?

I can't remember the last time I payed more than $50 for a single PC game, and that includes preorders (Brink and Red Faction Armageddon preordered for $37 each, RAGE for $46).
 

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Treblaine said:
Modern consoles (and even it appears, the Wii-U) are not capable of Hardware tesselation.
The Xbox 360 can do it just fine and plenty of ATI cards could also do it for years as well. Of course neither has really been used in games, but the capabilities have been around for a while. So wake me when it actually becomes a major part of most games, not just a technical curiosity used by only a tiny handful of games.

-unlicensed platform mean developers can release games without a fee, Minecraft collects 100% of revenue.
This is the one big advantage PCs have, no question.

-higher competition per system. GoG, Steam and now Origin compete on one PC while Xbox locks you into XBLA there is only detached competition with PSN
Meanwhile Steam games are locked to Steam, allowing them to do price fixing and kill the used game marked, leading to the console version of Orange Box for example actually being cheaper then the PC version.

Steam in general is also heavily overpriced, so is GoG and Origin. The only thing those services have going for them are their sales, their regular pricing just sucks, its most of the time cheaper to order stuff right from Amazon.

-Far more flexible controls with mouse + keyboard but also more importantly gamepad, or wheel, whatever appropriate
And half the time that stuff fails to work. For example with gamepads you basically have two kinds of games these days: The new ones, that require an Xbox360 gamepad and do not support older gamepads (due to lack of XInput driver) and the older ones that only support old gamepads properly, as the official Xbox360 DirectInput drivers are so shitty that they allow no configuration and merge the triggers into a single Z-axis, making them unusable for most games.

Now of course there are workarounds, custom drivers, XPadder and a whole lot of other hackery, but getting a usable configuration with non-standard hardware is often more effort then it is worth it, when it is possible at all (can't turn a mouse driven UI into one tuned for a gamepad).

Consoles are far less flexible, but they actually have a default configuration that is consistent across all games and just works without any need for tweaking.

-games 100% install makes them far easier to patch and follow major ongoing updates like TF2's continued evolution
100% install also means that it takes forever to get to actually play the game you want to play, also add in layered DRM for extra fun. Nothing better then having Steam games require GamesForWindows on top.

-Modding is a major creative force that has kept CS alive and strong for 12 year now,
And aside from CS players nobody cares. As nice as modding sounds in theory, the actual number of useful mods is rather slim and essentially getting smaller and smaller as games get more complex. Doing a level for Doom1 that was similar in quality to the original wasn't that difficult, doing one that competes with stuff seen in modern games, not so much.

Right now PC seems to be the only platform actually making progress, it's been 6 years since Xbox 360, graphics have moved on a LOOOONG way since then.
And yet all you get are shiny tech demos and no actual games. And that is where the crux is, you can proclaim all day that a modern $1000 PC is technically more powerful then a console, but the sad fact is that this $1000 PC essentially boils down to playing the exact same games as the $200 console. It might get more resolution and anti-aliasing, but not actually different games.
 

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As Cracked pointed out here http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html, console and PC gaming is apples and oranges. Modding is like anything else, it's brilliant when it's done right but it's usually sitting atop of 50 feet of crap. But there's nothing quite like Crysis 1 or 2 on a high-end PC, Battlefield 3 will blow people's minds, and if you have the system the definitive version of GTA IV is now the PC one.

But you can understand why Devs are going to consoles. Harder to pirate, better for product turnover (ask Activision why they don't have user-made content to really extend the life of its COD games), no obligation to push 50,000 polygons into an NPC's nose. But at the heart of it they pay for their games, which is what Cracked is also getting at there.
 

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Vault101 said:
some of those "silly" platform specific titles are pretty good, and rather attractive if your not a fan of MMO's or RTS's

also DRM....fucking DRM

anyway I just wish there was some way I could FUCKING AIM properly with a gamepad..Im getting used to it actually, and mabye its sharpened my skills....as I loaded up Deadspace 2 on the PC just recently and was like "whooaaa PRECISION!! OH HOW I HAVE MISSED YOU!!"
Not saying the games are bad. I'm saying the platform specific thing is bad.

There's some truly amazing platform specific games out there. If we want gaming to be something more then a luxurious children's toy then that needs to stop in my opinion.

I mean how ridiculous would it be if you could only watch the original Star Wars trilogy on a Sony TV? That'd be stupid. Especially considering that none of the consoles actually have truly different hardware, it's all exactly the same principles.

The XBox360 CPU is made by IBM and uses the same instruction set as the Wii, PS3 and a range of other processors used in PCs, Macs and mobile phones.
The GPU is made by ATI and is an advanced version of the R520 series, with some features later used in the R600 series.

If the XBox360 system software was publicly available it'd be possible to build a PC that acted in every single way like a XBox360, likely better in many areas due to hardware upgrades.

Because that's all a console is. A few MB of system software. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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That is a complete opinion right there.
I grew up with a console.
When I switched to PC and modded everything, I adore mouse and keyboard and I'm now taking a games course.
 

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I also believe that controllers are more natural. But, the keyboard + mouse combo is more accurate. That's the only thing I don't like about consoles, mostly FPS titles, I'm quite a bit inaccurate. Sure, I can get a 2.0 K/D in BO on the PS3, but only because the other guys can't aim for shit any more than I can.
 

Vault101

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Hagi said:
Vault101 said:
some of those "silly" platform specific titles are pretty good, and rather attractive if your not a fan of MMO's or RTS's

also DRM....fucking DRM

anyway I just wish there was some way I could FUCKING AIM properly with a gamepad..Im getting used to it actually, and mabye its sharpened my skills....as I loaded up Deadspace 2 on the PC just recently and was like "whooaaa PRECISION!! OH HOW I HAVE MISSED YOU!!"
Not saying the games are bad. I'm saying the platform specific thing is bad.

There's some truly amazing platform specific games out there. If we want gaming to be something more then a luxurious children's toy then that needs to stop in my opinion.

I mean how ridiculous would it be if you could only watch the original Star Wars trilogy on a Sony TV? That'd be stupid. Especially considering that none of the consoles actually have truly different hardware, it's all exactly the same principles.

The XBox360 CPU is made by IBM and uses the same instruction set as the Wii, PS3 and a range of other processors used in PCs, Macs and mobile phones.
The GPU is made by ATI and is an advanced version of the R520 series, with some features later used in the R600 series.

If the XBox360 system software was publicly available it'd be possible to build a PC that acted in every single way like a XBox360, likely better in many areas due to hardware upgrades.

Because that's all a console is. A few MB of system software. Nothing more, nothing less.
you forgot one thing....brandname

which I think its still very ingrained in gamers minds...it the reason for the pointless "console wars", it stems from when console were more different, Nintendo vs sega microsift vs sony MY console is better than yours!!!....

yeah? well I got halo!

I dont even like halo!!! halo is gay!!!

anyway I agree, exclusivity is a pain and unessicary thease days on a technical level

however it makes me wonder how would it work? as long as you have diffferent makers of consoles then your always going to have exclusives...and having a monopoly over the console market cant be a good thing

however mabye things will change...

anyway its interesting that consoles thease days are pretty much simplified PC's....so mabye PC gaming did win out in the end...it just came back to bite itself
 

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I grew up with a controller, and I still prefer the mouse and keyboard.
PC's will usually only require an update every 6 years to keep running the games.
A high end PC will cost you less than £500 if you know where to look and can put it together yourself.

The only problem with the PC for gaming is that no company seems to give a shit. We either get crappy ports, or they focus on the game but then the distributors fuck them right up by getting overly protective of the game and add retarded crap to it to prevent piracy which never fucking works.

Now stop arguing about it. Either those problems will go or the PC Games market will begin to crumble, and consoles have similar problems. Neither is the better, they just work for different things. The only argument is about the developers, not the systems themselves.
 

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Vault101 said:
you forgot one thing....brandname

which I think its still very ingrained in gamers minds...it the reason for the pointless "console wars", it stems from when console were more different, Nintendo vs sega microsift vs sony MY console is better than yours!!!....

yeah? well I got halo!

I dont even like halo!!! halo is gay!!!

anyway I agree, exclusivity is a pain and unessicary thease days on a technical level

however it makes me wonder how would it work? as long as you have diffferent makers of consoles then your always going to have exclusives...and having a monopoly over the console market cant be a good thing

however mabye things will change...

anyway its interesting that consoles thease days are pretty much simplified PC's....so mabye PC gaming did win out in the end...it just came back to bite itself
We already have a separation between user software (games for example) and OS+hardware.

I'm hoping we'll get another separation of OS and hardware. Much like Linux and Windows already are. You buy a PC and then you pick, Windows or Linux OS?

So If I wanted I could buy a PS5 frame, install an Apple OS and play Halo 16. Or maybe get a PC, install a XBox1440 OS and play Civ 9. Stuff like that.

And a PC is nothing more then a few GB of Windows software. Beneath it all it's all the same chips made by a small number of companies. All our CPUs are practically the same, all our GPUs are practically the same and even all the OS are practically the same on a technological level. There's just a lot of effort put into hiding that and making it look like only whatever platform is advertising can do whatever feature they're advertising.