pedophilia: double standard

[TheLaofKazi]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155304

*Hopes I didn't get ninja'd*

 

[Ickorus]

It's starting to shift and apparently more and more women are being convicted right up to the point where they think there will soon be more convicted female paedophiles than male ones.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Romeo, aged 14
Juliet, aged just under 14

That's how it was in Shakespeare's time.

But we have to be outraged against something. So much so that we determine 14/16/18 years that we can't even be thought about in "that" way, and then, a day later, everything's fine now.

Treat every case on its merits, then bury it on its flaws.

 

[knight steel]

Something I noticed is that you chose the age of 14 years old for the minor. While that basically fits pedophilia, I think there'd be a difference in the first situation if the minor were an actual child of something like 6 years instead of a teenager. But that's, of course, besides the point.

There IS a double standard. Double standards against men are actually very common today. Most commercials and TV shows can make fun of men "being men" without anyone batting an eyelash and if any commercial even dares to make fun of women "being women" SOMEONE will complain. Usually, a lot of SOMEONES. Most people won't even admit that there are frequently double standards against men.

Well i did have the age younger but people complained.......

 

[Flying Dagger]

"Nice."

But seriously, if you think that mindset only exists in a fantasy world, you are sadly mistaken. When I was 16 I was seduced by a 24-year-old and I was so proud of my experience, I wrote an essay about it for my senior writing class. My professor liked my story so much he asked me to read it to the class. Did he report me to the authorities? No, but he did find it funny. And I found it awesome.

Living in a non-ridiculous country, our age of consent is 16.
(we have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates though, so you can decide if it's worth it)

But yeah, I see nothing wrong with that.

As far as your professor knew you were probably making it up.
Or maybe he was comparing work with actual emotion to other dull works you have done.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

ONE: The spelling is paedophilia. "Pedo" and "podo" both refer to the FEET!

TWO:

paedophilia [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paedophilia]

Encyclopedia

paedophilia

psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult. Most pedophiles are men; the condition is extremely rare in women.

prepubescent children

14 ain't prepubescent.

PARAPHILIAS [http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/SEN/CH20.HTM]

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Ephebophilia Postpubertal or adolescent partner
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Formicophilia Small creatures, ants, insects, or snails crawling on genitals
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Hyphephilia Touching or feeling skin, fur, hair, leather, or fabric
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Monopediomania Partner with one leg
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Nepiophilia Infants; a pedophile attracted to infants
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Pederasty Adolescent males
Pedomania Girl or boy who is prepubertal or in first stages of puberty
Pedophilia Girl or boy who is prepubertal or in first stages of puberty
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Retifism Women's shoes
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Symphorophilia Stage-managing a disaster and then observing it
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... and quite a few other things, too.

 

[Thunderhorse31]

Living in a non-ridiculous country, our age of consent is 16.
(we have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates though, so you can decide if it's worth it)

But yeah, I see nothing wrong with that.

As far as your professor knew you were probably making it up.
Or maybe he was comparing work with actual emotion to other dull works you have done.

Oh ha ha, I got straight A's in that class, but I must admit the teacher WAS a dirty old man, so he might have just gotten off on the story whether he believed it or not.

But I agree, 16 seems like a more reasonable age of consent, even though that just means there are a few million more idiots who don't know (or care) enough to use birth control.

 

[Demongeneral109]

Everybody should be tried equally...................no exceptions.

In terms of topic your name is quite a coincidence no? but yeah, I agree nyoro~

What are you even............................oh..............hahahaha.............I think that's what the cool cats call irony.

the cooler cats know that it isn't... look it up nyoro~

 

[ZombieGenesis]

If it was a woman, the results would be the same. Prison sentence and all.
It's not worse for one gender or the other, even for the victims, no matter what anyone says.

If someone takes advantage or worse forces themselves onto a minor, that is evil. Someone who is in a relationship with a minor is...a hard situation, as I see it. Say, a 15 and a 25 year old together. The kids old enough to understand, the adult might even have real affection for them.

Lets remind ourselves that on a planet wide spectrum actual loving marriages between 13 and 30 year olds wasn't that long ago. Sure, it's a good thing we've changed that in a lot of ways, but there may be more of a spectum in play than we care to accept.

Or maybe that's just speculation and they all deserve to be hanged in whitechapel.

 

[Lust]

Everybody should be tried equally...................no exceptions.

In terms of topic your name is quite a coincidence no? but yeah, I agree nyoro~

What are you even............................oh..............hahahaha.............I think that's what the cool cats call irony.

the cooler cats know that it isn't... look it up nyoro~

Hmmm....well I feel like a dork now.

Spoiler: I believe the following is in order...

 

[Chefodeath]

Well, personally I don't subscribe to this double standard ot seems to be pushing on us. Doesn't matter if your male or female, your brain is still retarded and any relationship had with someone older will fuck your shit up mentally and emotionally.

Should we be as disgusted as we are, or punishing in the way that we do, now thats up for debate, but I still say that the general consensus that age inappropriate relations should be discouraged is just.

 

[Baby Tea]

If a 14 year boy willing has sexual relations with a very attractive 34 year old teacher some of us would find that ok saying stuff like "that lucky bastard" and would opt for no real punishment on the women behalf.

Now take that same situation and reverse the genders a 14 year old girl willing agrees to have sex relations with a very attractive 34 year old male teacher. Most people would say "that scum lock him up for life".

Why is that my dear escapist?

Pardon?
I don't know anyone who adheres to such a 'double standard'.
It's wrong no matter the genders of either party.

This sums it up nicely:

This is taking advantage of an innocent plain and simple. Disgusting anyway you look at it. It matters not if it was a boy or a girl, and it matters not if it was a man or a women committing the crimes. The man or women are still sexual predators and the children are still victims.

A 14 year old, boy or girl, has no idea what a healthy, normal sexual relationship is.
Hint: Sex with a 34 year old man or woman who is using them for their own sexual fetish isn't it.
It's completely taking advantage of the child's ignorance, insecurities, and naiveté, and it's wrong.
Objectively.

 

[Railgun88]

Meh. Who are we to decide? If the parents know and have no problem, and the teenager knows what there is to know, why not? I don't particuraly care either way. My motto is "What happens behind closed doors stays there". Honestly who cares as long as nothing like what sex is or anything like that is unknown by the teenager?

 

[Chefodeath]

I say if the kid wanted to (WAS WILLING) I don't think the teacher should be punished at all. They aren't raping them or anything.

It's not like pedophiles can just stop having pedophiliac (word?) thoughts. it's how they're programmed.

Why isn't coprophilia against the law? I think it's disgusting.

Tolerating things you find disgusting is the cornerstone of a free society. It means that your own disgusting habits and tendancies will be likewise tolerated.

You give a little love and it all comes back to you.

 

[Eldarion]

Dear escapist lets have a serious discussion about the double standards involving pedophilia.We in our day and age have very interesting views on pedophilia which i will try my best to describe.

If a 14 year boy willing has sexual relations with a very attractive 34 year old teacher some of us would find that ok saying stuff like "that lucky bastard" and would opt for no real punishment on the women behalf.

Now take that same situation and reverse the genders a 14 year old girl willing agrees to have sex relations with a very attractive 34 year old male teacher. Most people would say "that scum lock him up for life".

Why is that my dear escapist? Their both the same age and both fully agree knowing full well what would happen? They weren't forced they both consented but the male teacher receives more blame.And what does the attractiveness have to do with the situation? If the Female was ugly why would our view change .

So the questions i would like to ask are this: Do you agree with this double standard why/why not, What punishment would you give the teachers if any?

Edit: I'm talking about the double standard of most of the public not the law.......

I think both cases are wrong. Pedophilia is wrong no matter what gender either person is.

 

[Lonan]

It would be just awesome to have sex with an attractive female teacher, but if you were a girl, you probably would want it to be with someone you're age and a more emotional experience and all that jazz.

Speaking as someone who hasn't been 13 in 30 years... why would I want to do it with someone my own age, who knows as little about sex as I do and who will probably hurt me through lack of experience. When I was 13, I was crushing on Richard Chamberlain in "Shogun" (Angin-samma), not the boy the next seat over. Admittedly, this may be more due to the fact that he was always miming the motions and noise of masturbating at everyone he disliked. But there were no real suave and/or studly guys in my class, either At 13 boys still have acne and their voices are changing. Older men are much more fascinating. When I finally got to high school, I was absurdly attracted to a teacher's aide with a malformed hand, who was in his late 20's or early 30's.

To all the people who are claiming that the male being older is more frowned upon because it's worse to be penetrated- no, that's not it. It's abuse, pure and simple. Kids of that age are not able to give informed consent- by law. So it doesn't matter who is older, it's abuse no matter who is doing it. Female on female sexual abuse is just as damaging, mentally, as female on male, male on male and so on. You may not hear about it as often, but it does occur. And how will a young man feel if the "older woman" is his mom, or older sister? All of that happens, too.

Adults and older people have power over kids. Kids know the adults know more and tend to listen to them and go along with what they say, especially if the adult has other sorts of power over the child- being in a mentor or supervisory position over said child, like that of a teacher, Principal of a School, Babysitter- part of it is an abuse of the adult's power over the child, and the rest is that the child isn't ready to make such decisions as to engage in sex. They may think and feel themselves ready, but they are not. They may feel impelled by their own hormones, peer pressure, guilt, or other pressure, to have sex with the adult.

I have a friend who had sex with his sixteen-year old babysitter when he was twelve. At the time, he felt she had done him a favor. Now, he says, he's been around the block so many times, he can give guided tours. And he's not so sanguine about what she did. Because of her, he was introduced to sex too early, and he did lots of things to have sex that he regrets now.

I completely agree that it is wrong to abuse power. However, I take issue with people following around adults as you say. This is blatantly not true. My experience is viewing those older as the same age as you. I went to an all male boarding school from grade 7-12 and this was true the whole way through. Respect is given out of charity, and quickly withdraw if there is abuse of equally charitably given authority. There wouldn't be much more order anywhere else than my school, so I definitely take issue with that. I would solve the potential to abuse authority by empowering 13 year olds to always second guess adults decisions and to never go along with them. This seems far more logical than telling an experienced, beer drinking 13 year old he's just a little muffin cake still and has no power over himself somehow. People should find out what happened, the past of those people and other information rather than just "13 and 18, ok!" "13 and 19 NOT OK!" It's incredibly demeaning to have others attempt to reduce you're dignity to "13 year old" and the mere idea that this should be acceptable is offensive to me.

When you say "people following adults around" I am taking this to mean you are complaining about adults having perceived power over kids, because otherwise, I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. Are you saying you don't respect or listen to those older than you, those with more authority and experience? The whole reason it is illegal is for reasons of abuse of power and the absence of the child to consent by law. Even 13 and 18 is not okay, in my opinion, because the older kid may have coerced the younger kid into having sex. Not necessarily forcible coercion, like twisting his arm, but making the kid feel he is loved, or in love, or so on. Each of those is no less horrible than holding a kid down and raping them. Is rape okay because it wasn't as bad as being beaten or hurt by the offender? Both are rape and both are equally bad in my eyes.

By the by, kids shouldn't be drinking beer at 13, either. Alcohol is another thing that can push kids into making bad decisions that they might not have made if they weren't under the influence. I'd argue that "experienced, beer-drinking 13 year old" is even less likely to be capable of making good, wise decisions- especially if he's been drinking.

Through this whole thing, you are referring to people as "kids" which ignores a significant part of reality which I have seen around those who happen to be 13. You have very little understanding of this.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

To play devil's advocate (or something like that) here, I'm going to bring up an example to consider: she was fifteen, biologically mature enough to be wanting boys and experiencing physiological responses to hot ones, emotionally mature for her age, intelligent and fairly sensible too (and good looking and straight, damn my luck) and she scored herself a twenty-one-year-old boyfriend who was, by all accounts, gently, patient, kind, considerate, well-behaved, gentlemanly, generally decent aaaaaaand pretty good with his hands.

21 and 15? DISGUSTING!

15 and 15 everyone would have considered fine and normal.

Does that sound like a 15-yr-old boy up there?

She and we thought she was lucky to get a first boyfriend who knew enough to take it easy and go slow ... and had a car and money and his own house and could buy champagne, obviously.

Just a case to consider.