people and "Rebellion"

[Ragsnstitches]

I would like to make a distinction between Revolutionary rebellion and Teenage Rebellion,

1 is where a flawed or corrupt regime/order/policy etc that is detrimental to the well-being of society and the interests of the people, and is met with either violence or physical protest.

The other is hormonal.

I let you all figure out which one is which.

EDIT: I should also add that Rebellion can equally spawn from ignorance or misguidance as it can from genuine positive ideals. Not all rebels are altruistic...

 

[senordesol]

I'm a rebel by nature as I'm intelligent by nature (I speak about Intelligence as above average, not a genius), then I grew up to adapt my rebellious nature to ideological values, makes sense.
Notice how revolution happens in country where the population is not dumb. Dumb (ignorant) people are more likely to have their rights taken because they are easily manipulated by the government.
Notice too that smart babies/kids are the ones who ask a lot of questions and question authority.
Again, notice how conservationism is linked with non conformers, and conservationists have lower IQ than liberals.

Of course if you're intelligent, rich, self centred and live well, then I see no reason to rebel against anything but tax raise.

Maybe in your school, in my school cool kids had nothing to do with rebellion.

Conservationists?

The guys who recycle everything? I'd love to see that study.

Or perhaps there's another study you're thinking of (that would also be worth sharing)?

I'm sorry it ain't conservationists. It's conservatives. Language error on my part.

As for the study: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html

Ah Huffington, always a thumping good read
Sucks that we have to pay to see what the data actually says tho

Either way, I just had a chuckle when you said conservationists were dumber than liberals as they are -more often than not- one and the same. XD

Carry on.

 

[Penguinis Weirdus]

Rebellion is important, I'm not talking about teenage "rebels" in this case or even the need to take arms against a corrupt government, but even in nice safe places in the UK or even US you need people to going out there saying "I don't agree so I'm going to protest" because it shows that democracy is working for us (e.g no fear of reprisal for having a different view) or because when people don't give a shit, bad shit goes down and bad laws such as SOPA or ACTA get on to the statute books.
Civil disobedience is important in any state, (not wanton law-breaking such as rioting, even though there are exceptions to that rule), but protests, strikes and even e-petitions all play a part in modern society because they raise issues about things people are worried about, they can remind our politicians who they actually work for.

Though the pillocks people who wish for an apocalypse of any kind, quick question.

How do you believe that you would survive, why not change this world for the better and then only have to play pretend apocalypse because I don't know about you but I like being warm and having the benefits of a modern society, such as booze or computer games or even not having to fear for my life constantly.

 

[Spygon]

There is a reason the good guys are names the rebel alliance its hard to side with an entity that is oppressing.

Also i am British so work that out no please don't my ancestors were assholes that's all you need to know.

 

[Nimzabaat]

Wow, never seen you writing with so many mistakes.

To the OP I ask, what is anarchy?

I'm a rebel, because I disagree with 90% of what my government does. Thinking way back I was always a rebel. It's part of my nature, also a sign of intelligence and non conformism
Being a conformist is the worst since there's also something we can improve.

Rebelling is not a sign of intelligence. Rebellion can happen because of an intellectual advance, but that does not mean that "rah rah fight the power" is by any means inherently intelligent.

Nonconformity is also not a sign of intelligence. It can be a result of intelligence that one stands out from society, but being different does not make you smart.

If you're a rebel "by nature," that means you're not rebelling for ideological or intellectual reasons. It just means you like to stir shit up. Shit stirring does not a visionary make.



Nonconformity: Because all the cool kids do it.

We need to rebel more.

Make me.

As far as rebelling = intelligence. Was anyone around when there was the whole "Occupy" thing going? The "we are the 99% making the 99% (taxpayers) pay more of the 99% (police) to clean up the other 99% (protestors) while the 1% laughs at how stupid the human race is". Yeah that was so very intelligent and effective

 

[Vault101]

I'm not sure what I find worse, those that rebel against anything and everything or those that follow blindly while screaming at others to stay in line.

But seriously, Humans aren't made for modern society, so saying that things are inherently wrong in our society is actually pretty accurate.

what are we made for then?....tribalsim?

I think Id rather have all my nice things and not get married off to pump out children

 

[an annoyed writer]

Okay. Vault, you need to look up the name Howard Bloom. He explains this brilliantly: it's the need to topple the hierarchy and usurp it that is the driving force behind rebellion. the next generation will always want to differentiate itself from its parent, and rebellion is usually the stage it goes through to achieve such means. That's a gross oversimplification of his thesis, but that's the basic point.

 

[Vegosiux]

You know, there are rebels with a cause (who are genuinely upset, displeased and have had enough), and rebels without a cause (who go stick it to the man for no particular reason other than sticking it to the man).

I can respect the former. The latter, I only hope they grow out of it.

 

[Vault101]

Tribalsim? Tribal Sim?

But yeah, it's silly to say we're not made for modern society, we're the ones who made it after all. All parts of it were developed by us. How is it not for us?

I get the impression people who say those things arnt taking into consideration certain things

like feminism..and our chiny tehcnology

 

[darlarosa]

Well I guess it depends on your philosophy.

I think there would be benefits to a reorganization of society (I think the US is too large and too complacent for its own good). I think the confines of our age old systems and traditions make new developement difficult.
Yet I also think a complete social break down could be interesting. Fear and panic....the adrenaline would be amazing. Then there is the death, death in every corner as we rip out the very core of our "humanity" only to become far more human than we ever were before. The Social constructs fall, but they will always be replaced. Most likely worse, and perhaps better. It is nature's way for old things to die to make way for renewal. Hehe I suppose I like the idea of a global Life Day (renew! renew!).

 

[Imthatguy]

Individuals can still be victimized even if it isn't something as harsh as say a concentration camp or being starved. For example when you work for someone they'll typically make large amounts of money off your labor when you only get a very small part of it in your check.

Yes but I believe you where using it in the same context as I.

well depending on context why would I be entitled to any of that money?

if I work in an office am I enetitled to the same paycheck as the CEO? I don;t think so

only if my working conditions and pay are not up to standard

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

No says the man in the White House, it belongs to the poor
No says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God
No says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone

>_> sorry but if we're doing this, we're doing this RIGHT.

No says the man on Wall Street it belongs to the investor.

I'm not sure what I find worse, those that rebel against anything and everything or those that follow blindly while screaming at others to stay in line.

But seriously, Humans aren't made for modern society, so saying that things are inherently wrong in our society is actually pretty accurate.

what are we made for then?....tribalsim?

I think Id rather have all my nice things and not get married off to pump out children

Creating a perfect system made for humans is like trying to fit a hypercube in a round hole.

 

[Imthatguy]

srry double post

 

[BanZeus]

Individuals can still be victimized even if it isn't something as harsh as say a concentration camp or being starved. For example when you work for someone they'll typically make large amounts of money off your labor when you only get a very small part of it in your check.

Yes but I believe you where using it in the same context as I.

well depending on context why would I be entitled to any of that money?

if I work in an office am I enetitled to the same paycheck as the CEO? I don;t think so

only if my working conditions and pay are not up to standard

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

No says the man in the White House, it belongs to the poor
No says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God
No says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone

>_> sorry but if we're doing this, we're doing this RIGHT.

No says the man on Wall Street it belongs to the investor.

I'm not sure what I find worse, those that rebel against anything and everything or those that follow blindly while screaming at others to stay in line.

But seriously, Humans aren't made for modern society, so saying that things are inherently wrong in our society is actually pretty accurate.

what are we made for then?....tribalsim?

I think Id rather have all my nice things and not get married off to pump out children

Creating a perfect system made for humans is like trying to fit a hypercube in a round hole.

In other words: like all of life's problems it can be solved by looking at it from a different perspective and/or applying a lot of lube.

 

[zehydra]

Any rational mysanthrope would be pro-government, not anti-government, because its the government that keeps them in check, and something like rebellion would be quite scary to him/her.

I'm a believer in the idea that every person is born free. Your sovereignty is taken away from you the moment you are born in most countries. They are taught to swear their allegiance to a system, which these days are usually designed to protect some sort of ideal and supposedly the protection of its members.

Nations are not like people. They do not have memories, they do not have a "will", they do not have lives. These are all illusions. Every year, the United States is comprised of different members than of the last. Every year the culture changes slightly. Every year new laws are passed.

The reason I hate it when people say "In the 1940s, we entered World War II" or "We lost in Vietnam", is because most of the time that I hear this, it is not being said by people who were alive for either events. If people are what makes up a country, then how could we say that this is the same country that fought in World War II?

The reason we keep calling them "us" and the reason we keep pushing the United States, regardless of whether or not it is actually good for the citizens involved, is because of legacy and tradition. Both are not what I would consider rational or reasonable reasons to keep any government alive.

Since the politicians are so insistent upon keeping the train running, and most politically active citizens have been indoctrinated since birth, nothing changes.

So every year, children are born, taught to praise the flag and forget that they had any human sovereignty at all, or anything we would call "human rights".

"Human rights" of course will be tossed out the window the second anyone actually gets anything like a secession underway.

So, rebel.

 

[Mr. F]

you know what I don't get?...some peoples absolute fixation on the Idea that any or all Authority figure or part of the "systm" is there for the sole purpose of "keeping them down" or making their lives miserable

the obsession with "rebellion"

or part of the the whole "oh I hate humanity/the government/my country" really the kind of people who "joke" about wishing for the apocolypse because [strike/]their stupid twats[/S] because they have some bizare Idea that theres somthign inherintly wrong with how things are now and atruggling for your survival int he most terrifying situation ever would be somhow better

like challenging your freinds to a one on one death match in the arena!

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the fact is thanks to all the "evils" of modern life we can actually have things likevideo games and online spaces (like forums) to complain about them! rather than scrawling messaged on safe house walls in blood

ok yes, on the other hand I'm not saying governemtn systms or modern life is god and you should not question anything.....I genally think people can be too apathetic (including me)...especially when to comes to stuff like voting

its jsut when somone starts talking about anarchy or how they hate the "guv-mint" I can't help but think they are probably some teenage twat who doesnt understand what the fuck Anarchy actually is

also because peep show is awsome

One: Spellcheck is your friend. I demand you download googlechrome now. Also, protip, you want people to take your thread even partially serious? Do not brutalize the english language in the opening post.

Two: What are you angry about? Teenage angst? General rage at the way things are? Domestic Terrorists? People who protest?

Using the word "Rebellion" covers all of the above. Try and be a bit more specific.

Personally, I am obsessed with "Rebellion" or "Resistance" because I firmly believe that this current government is going to run this country, which I love in some strange way, into the ground. I firmly believe that we need more social freedoms, from the smoking of green to same sex marriage, I firmly believe that we should once more nationalise our rail services, prevent the privitization of the NHS, keep G4S from taking over our police force... The list goes on.

I don't rebel with guns or violence, bringing about social change through violence is almost impossible. Plus I do not think that the current system warrants wholesale slaughter and civil war, unlike many other socialists of my age. I rebel by pounding the pavements, talking to people, drumming up support, selling socialists papers. Recently I stopped my "Rebellion" to a degree to focus on my studies, through education I will be able to do far more, hopefully one day founding a true socialist coalition party.

So, although I went off on a tangent, I will answer you with this.

People are obsessed with rebellion because people are angry. When I graduate the chances of me having a job will be minimal. I watch my old friends join the army for want of work and get sent off to fight pointless wars, I watch 14 year olds drink themselves to death and the working class get driven down into the dirt. Watching our social systems get torn to pieces, without consultation, makes us angry.

We who watch the world burn because of greed get angry.

EDIT: Oh, and the whole I hate humanity thing? Two points on that.
One: Its a trend to say it and a common way of showing your general distaste towards how things are.
Two: Hundreds die in syria, nobody cares. 400 women and children get raped in the DRC everyday, nobody cares. Famine in the horn of africa, nobody cares. A child dies every 4 seconds due to diseases caught from unhealthy water sources, nobody cares. Its the fact that nobody cares, that there is so little you, personally, can do that causes people to "hate" humanity.

So much of the time humanity seems to be devoid of humanity.

 

[LetalisK]

We need to rebel more.

Make me.

This is probably the single funniest thing I've seen on here in quite some time. XD