It's funny because he released probably close to 20 different versions of it now.amaranth_dru said:
People don't give Avatar enough credit (James Cameron one)
- Thread starter Giantpanda602
- Start date
Recommended Videos
^^;; It's directly ripped off of Dances with Wolves, not Pocahontas. And that's a good thing, because the only way to make Dances with Wolves better was to combine Dances with Wolves and the Aliens franchise (cause, come on, we all know it's the same universe - it's James Cameron).Giantpanda602 said:
I loved Avatar. I bought the deluxe blue-ray version with the extended director's cut. Cause it's a great damn movie.
In my opinion, it was one of the worst movies ever made. I didn't see one redeeming feature about it. But to comment on the "unobtainium" point you brought up. The military wasn't brought in to kill the Na'vi. when going into a hostile area with know real knowledge of the behavior of the creatures of the world, it makes sense to bring a guy with a gun. The only reason they went after that stupid tree (that actually fell the wrong way, physics says it should have fallen to the weakest structural point, the area that they were shooting was right in front of them)was because the largest deposit of the horribly named rock was under it. They mined dang near everything else. And why would anyone go to a planet named Pandora. If you know mythology you know not to go there. Why even go after unobtainium, the name means its unobtainable. Heck, we can make diamonds, why cant we make this stuff.
edit:
Nope. Sorry. I gotta keep going.
People talk about the visuals. They weren't immersive for me at all. if you wanna make the landscape immersive, don't let it hit the end of the screen. The looks weren't that good ether. I'm not talking about the Uncanny Vally. I'm saying that nothing there looked good. it was all to clean to be believable.
Character wise. I hated them all. they were all stupid., Everyone looked at things in a black and whit perspective. Good or evil. its never like that. Everything felt forced. No logical action was taken, only exaggerated ideals. Actually, no. I only liked one character in the entire movie. That was the heads of the mercenary. Yes he was over acted, but he seamed to understand that he was more of a cartoon than a person. He ended up like batman for me, he was epic incarnate. On a planet where everything will kill you and you cant breath the air, he goes out and survives by holding his breath. He was so evil that it helped him.
edit:
Nope. Sorry. I gotta keep going.
People talk about the visuals. They weren't immersive for me at all. if you wanna make the landscape immersive, don't let it hit the end of the screen. The looks weren't that good ether. I'm not talking about the Uncanny Vally. I'm saying that nothing there looked good. it was all to clean to be believable.
Character wise. I hated them all. they were all stupid., Everyone looked at things in a black and whit perspective. Good or evil. its never like that. Everything felt forced. No logical action was taken, only exaggerated ideals. Actually, no. I only liked one character in the entire movie. That was the heads of the mercenary. Yes he was over acted, but he seamed to understand that he was more of a cartoon than a person. He ended up like batman for me, he was epic incarnate. On a planet where everything will kill you and you cant breath the air, he goes out and survives by holding his breath. He was so evil that it helped him.
Not to defend the movie, but you're introducing a circular argument. The planet is name Pandora so why go there? That's just a name humans gave it, probably because they knew dicking with it could be dangerous. It's called Unobtanium so why go after it? Ever think they called it Unobtainium because it's really hard to obtain?fezzthemonk said:
Hey, I have an anti-bear charm to sell you. I've never been attacked by a bear, so it must work.
<url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.256613-2-50-Reviews-Avatar-2009>I tried to give it the credit it deserves.
But on the whole, given how much money it made, there's going to be a group that dislikes it, and will vocalize that opinion. It's just how it is.
But on the whole, given how much money it made, there's going to be a group that dislikes it, and will vocalize that opinion. It's just how it is.
Unobtainium has to be the best name for a material ever, it's like Rareatainium in Ratchet and Clank but at least that was intentionally funny.
Seriously though, I haven't actually seen it because most of the people I have talked to who have seen it share the opinions stated in this thread. I'll probably cave and watch it eventually and have my relatively low expectations lowered even further but until then I can't really vouch. But if so many people do feel this way why is it the highest grossing film ever? :/
Seriously though, I haven't actually seen it because most of the people I have talked to who have seen it share the opinions stated in this thread. I'll probably cave and watch it eventually and have my relatively low expectations lowered even further but until then I can't really vouch. But if so many people do feel this way why is it the highest grossing film ever? :/
So am i supposed to give it a pass because people are so stupid that they wont even listen to the warnings they give to themselves? If i wake up and find a note that says there is a bear outside my front door called man eating bear. I'm not gonna go outside.Kermi said:
Not really something to think about because it is irrelevant to the overall storyline. In both movies, the material remained a motivation for some people, but not all of them. It was a device that brought all the elements together and nothing else.Giantpanda602 said:
How is going to a planet to find unobtainium (plot-deviceium or macguffinium would probably be just a good) any different than going to the New World to find gold? The answer is not a lot because people until the 18th century regarded Gold the same way you regard unobtanium.
Believe it or not, but many people thought gold was magical as well. It was considered the perfect element by many people not because it was shiny but because it never changes. Alchemists were trying to create gold from lesser elements not because it would make them rich, but because it would bring them one step closer to the almighty. Yes, people also thought gold was the cure for a lot of ailments. This belief in the perfect nature of Gold went far into the 17th century, not because
My issue with Avatar is it's praised for its social commentary when other films (e.g., District 9, Children of Men) do the whole social commentary thing much more elegantly and subtly... but don't get nearly as much love.
Avatar isn't a bad movie, it really isn't. It just isn't nearly deserving of even a fraction of its praise.
Avatar isn't a bad movie, it really isn't. It just isn't nearly deserving of even a fraction of its praise.
I'm afraid this person is right. Don't get me wrong, It was a fun movie and I enjoyed watching it, but it's Pocahantas/Dances with Wolves with a new skin, almost scene by scene. It didn't deserve the hype that it got. It's a fun movie with creative specie ideas, but other than its pure spectacle quality, it's adding nothing new at all. Sorry, but you are giving it too much credit as far as originality or cultural significance. It's still a good movie, though ^_^maddawg IAJI said:
I really like it. The story was nothing special and the characters weren't either, but the visuals were amazing and the planet really had depth. It was a fun Sci-fi movie to watch, not much more, but still good. I do have a couple grips about the story (fucking Deus Ex Machina...), but overall it was a fun watch.
As for unobtainium [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Unobtainium] it's purpose doesn't really matter. It's just a Macguffin that's there to move the plot forward. Nothing that you really need to concern yourself with. I mean they called it "unobtainium". Does that really scream anything other than Macguffin?
As for unobtainium [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Unobtainium] it's purpose doesn't really matter. It's just a Macguffin that's there to move the plot forward. Nothing that you really need to concern yourself with. I mean they called it "unobtainium". Does that really scream anything other than Macguffin?