People Don't Like to Think
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Then why bother sounding in? By doing that, you've proved the point the OP was making, that there is little to no discussion going on. That adds absolutely NOTHING relevant, and wouldn't have changed a thing if you didn't type that one-sentence blurb.WafflesandBacon593 said:
I disagree with this statement:
I feel partly responsible for this. I'm not the brightest person, just rather average when it comes to intelligence and intelligent discussion so I've never really taken part in the more intelligent debates and settled for the more simple threads and posts. I like to read them but I rarely post in them and because of this I feel like I've let the intelligent side down. I figure that I could have helped try to keep them alive but I didn't and now you rarely find any of them on the forum.
Another part of the problem is the size of the forum. Yesterday I found that there is an average of 200 threads made a day. If someone wants their thread to do well (badges makes everyone want their threads to do well) and get a lot of responses than they have to reach out for everyone. I suppose that happens with all growing communities and maybe it was inevitable? Badges sure didn't help.
I kind of agree with you about people not wanting to think, though. I my self am not wanting to think much at the moment, what with my tiredness and horribly swollen thumb. I suppose that I'm only posting so that I can get my thoughts in before this is locked or disappears. I like to think about things in considerable depth some of the time and I think that a lot of other people do as well, but there are a lot that find thinking too stressful, time consuming, alienating and many other things to take up the majority of their time. We live in a society were not everyone can be a great thinker and for many people their wealth status, family issues, health and many other problems are more important than the workings of the world or universe, which is sad really. It isn't that people don't want to think because they don't like it, rather that they can't because of many small things that make up their lives and take precedent over thought.
I find that a year ago many of the posts in this thread, especially ;tl;dr' and 'Cool Story, Bro' would have been rather are and quickly dealt with. Two years ago they would I don't think that those posts even existed, although I wasn't around then. I think that what this comes down to is that a lot of people are worried that their threads will be ignored and given cruel treatment or just plain ignored, as you brought up in an example of yourself, if they are too thought provoking and time consuming. There are plenty of people that come here to relax and take part in easy discussion, I'm not denying that, but it seems to me that there are plenty of people who want an intelligent discussion, only that they've been pushed underground and don't post as much any more.
I feel partly responsible for this. I'm not the brightest person, just rather average when it comes to intelligence and intelligent discussion so I've never really taken part in the more intelligent debates and settled for the more simple threads and posts. I like to read them but I rarely post in them and because of this I feel like I've let the intelligent side down. I figure that I could have helped try to keep them alive but I didn't and now you rarely find any of them on the forum.
Another part of the problem is the size of the forum. Yesterday I found that there is an average of 200 threads made a day. If someone wants their thread to do well (badges makes everyone want their threads to do well) and get a lot of responses than they have to reach out for everyone. I suppose that happens with all growing communities and maybe it was inevitable? Badges sure didn't help.
I kind of agree with you about people not wanting to think, though. I my self am not wanting to think much at the moment, what with my tiredness and horribly swollen thumb. I suppose that I'm only posting so that I can get my thoughts in before this is locked or disappears. I like to think about things in considerable depth some of the time and I think that a lot of other people do as well, but there are a lot that find thinking too stressful, time consuming, alienating and many other things to take up the majority of their time. We live in a society were not everyone can be a great thinker and for many people their wealth status, family issues, health and many other problems are more important than the workings of the world or universe, which is sad really. It isn't that people don't want to think because they don't like it, rather that they can't because of many small things that make up their lives and take precedent over thought.
I understand where you're coming from here. I make very few threads but when I do I want them to be original and interesting. Only problem then though is that originality doesn't get interest as much as generics, and that's where the problems start to arise. To make a thread successful against the millions (exaggerated for emphasis... possibly) of threads a day, it needs to appeal to the masses of Escapist users who visit these forums day in, day out, and a lot of Escapists here want light-hearted discussion, instead of creative and original threads; so all the thought provoking threads just get ignored. Also, bear in mind that a lot of people who have complained have actually left because of it -- something I've never understood, as you really should set an example instead of just giving up, complaining and then just letting this community spiral downwards for all it's worth.TheThinker said:
But as I said in my previous post, those people who have complained actually committed to improving the forums before just giving up. One user tried numerous times with RPs before giving up. Usually those rants ended up as the last post that person makes. Why should you complain about them when you have done the same thing?
This is something else I could never understand. What's the point of commenting if you didn't even bother reading the OP? I also love the irony of saying that on this, a thread complaining about people not bothering to concentrate enough on these forums.WafflesandBacon593 said:
I think I made a thread with a similar idea to this called the "Cult of individualism", where everyone knowadays almost needs to have a gimmick to make themselves special and everyone think there alone in a world of sheeple, it also gives me another excuse to post this comic.
It's not that I think most people don't think, it's that I just don't care. I'll take my path, and whether you want to follow, take your own, or sit there with a stupid look on your face and your thumb up your ass, any of those is fine with me.
Sometimes I enjoy mindless amusement, because I'm too bored or tired to go for something more in-depth. Sometimes I like a challenge so that I can better myself through facing, if not overcoming it. In the department of arguments and views, I'll choose one once I think I've heard enough evidence to make it the one I support. If neither side has presented the evidence I desire, I'll go find my own and then choose a side.
Basically, there's nothing wrong with wanting mindless humor or simple "favorite" threads, but everything in moderation. If one has no variety, he or she either becomes a stagnant retard or an elitist prick in the end. There's a time and place for just about everything, and one has to know when to figure out what time it is.
Sometimes I enjoy mindless amusement, because I'm too bored or tired to go for something more in-depth. Sometimes I like a challenge so that I can better myself through facing, if not overcoming it. In the department of arguments and views, I'll choose one once I think I've heard enough evidence to make it the one I support. If neither side has presented the evidence I desire, I'll go find my own and then choose a side.
Basically, there's nothing wrong with wanting mindless humor or simple "favorite" threads, but everything in moderation. If one has no variety, he or she either becomes a stagnant retard or an elitist prick in the end. There's a time and place for just about everything, and one has to know when to figure out what time it is.
I guess this just proves that no matter where we go in this world, there will always be "that guy".WafflesandBacon593 said:
We all know "that guy". He's the guy who has nothing to say, yet never shuts up. He's the one who butts in with "I like pies." when the entire group is talking about tactics of the First World War. He's the guy who goes on and on about nothing, when everyone involved has long since ceased caring, or even in fact, listening.
We all know somebody like that, and this just proves it.
Oh god, I wish I had that image to begin with.George144 said:I think I made a thread with a similar idea to this called the "Cult of individualism", where everyone knowadays almost needs to have a gimmick to make themselves special and everyone think there alone in a world of sheeple, it also gives me another excuse to post this comic.
A lot of the results of surveys I have been looking at place peoples own attitudes as vastly different to what they think any other random persons attitudes would be, because they assume for some reason that they are naturally nobler than the rest of society. We put our own thoughts and values on a pedestal and mount a high horse to ride about the masses of peasants.
Everyone else is thinking exactly the same thing, and so we all go on deluded, just like the comic.
Statues are not people, they are the likeness of people, therefore they can think all they like!Spirultima said:
Of course people don't like to think. Nature in all forms follows the path of least resistance. We have to think in order to maintain the standard of living we've created for ourselves.
Seriously. You need to learn hoe to get out uor massage in about 1/3 of that text. Nobody likes walls of text.
Anyway. I find it funny that you claim that everybody thinks that they're smarter then everyone else and still so a topic about this? Were you rant way to much and act all samrt.
Irony at it's finest.
Anyway. I find it funny that you claim that everybody thinks that they're smarter then everyone else and still so a topic about this? Were you rant way to much and act all samrt.
Irony at it's finest.
Honestly, you're not putting as much thought into this as you are.brainfreeze215 said:
Watching any nature documentary will quickly disavow the idea of "nature always follows the path of least resistance". Salmon migrations for one. If nature indeed "always followed the path of least resistance", then the salmon would just breed wherever they please, instead of choosing to make the long, arduous and quite dangerous trek upstream just to spawn.
"Path of least resistance" is a distinctly human idea, because as logical beings, we're able to think about which of our possible actions would create the most profit for the least effort. But even then, humans don't "always" follow it. If we did that, then why would scientists bother with multiple trials and peer reviews, if they can get the same outcome twice and call it "done"?
Okay, I'm not going to read that whole thing, but really, all you're saying is that people like to think that they are deep and no one else is like them but, you make a mile long post of your opinions and you're really saying, "No one is as good me"
Being concise has never been my strong suit, I am working on it but the nature of a cathartic rant is that you keep going until your frustration is spent.Shycte said:
No, you both missed where I said that this is true of almost everybody, and I acknowledge that I am an offender as well.Julianking93 said:
How is it irony if I say that everyone, myself included, thinks they are smarter and then state my opinion strongly? This is exactly what could be expected. It would be irony if I said that I wasn't a normal person in this sense, and then proceeded to call myself smart or say my opinion was correct, because this would go against what you might expect from what I have said.
Well sir, if you would like to see changes, go ahead and make them. I've never heard anyone on The Escapist about this amazing knight in shining armour that makes people think, someone that provokes thought. If you want to desperately want to see said change, I suggest you continue making threads that challenge people's beliefs and hope that it will rub off on people. Otherwise, it's not a good idea to continually insult people in a community in which you are trying to 'positively' enrich.
I have only been a member here for a little while so I don't know what the forums used to be like. I came to The Escapist for the videos originally. I don't mind the community at all, true I(and I think we all could) do without the what is your favorite cereal, socks, tree type. These are pointless and annoying I agree and push topics that might be important(as things go here).
I have only been a member here for a little while so I don't know what the forums used to be like. I came to The Escapist for the videos originally. I don't mind the community at all, true I(and I think we all could) do without the what is your favorite cereal, socks, tree type. These are pointless and annoying I agree and push topics that might be important(as things go here).
I read it and most of the replies so far and now my ganglias hurt.
If I recall correctly, you pointed out that people read/watch easy-to-understand medias over intellectually challenging books and pieces.
Sure. And they have the right to do it.
Not everyone is the thinking one.
I like to think things over and over, to ponder in the deep currents of human meta level habits and the problematic automations of the moder civilisations and how to correct 'em.
For example.
It's quite fun, really.
You also pointed out that "You all want to listen to MaxTheReaper say the same nihilistic response to every post."
Has he responded yet?
Not everyone is the thinking one.
If I recall correctly, you pointed out that people read/watch easy-to-understand medias over intellectually challenging books and pieces.
Sure. And they have the right to do it.
Not everyone is the thinking one.
I like to think things over and over, to ponder in the deep currents of human meta level habits and the problematic automations of the moder civilisations and how to correct 'em.
For example.
It's quite fun, really.
You also pointed out that "You all want to listen to MaxTheReaper say the same nihilistic response to every post."
Has he responded yet?
Not everyone is the thinking one.