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traceur_

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I'm rather perplexed by the "didn't read it" and other sarcastic posts in this thread. Are you guys trying to be funny or just idiots?

On topic: While I admire your depth of thought, I do not share it. A heap of us here don't want to fling around philosophy or fantastic ideas. The internet does not deserve such ideas, emotions and feelings cannot be conveyed through simple text, to do so is to sully these ideas if you can't truly express them.

On the issue of entertainment, I'll say this: People want fun because fun is awesome. I don't want to gaze upon a piece of art that makes me rethink my ideas. I remain firm in my ideas unless given a damn good reason to think otherwise. I don't want to think, I want to enjoy myself in my spare time.

Fun is important.
 

the1ultimate

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*Collapses under text wall*

Wow. It's a pretty fundamentally inherent fact that most people sit comfortably on the average part of the <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_curve_grading>Bell Curve, but comparing the majority of people to Twilight fans is just plain mean.

I admit that I consider myself slightly higher above average than I actually am, but maybe that's because I can actually write and speak correctly, and know how to phrase an argument, and I've met far too many people who can't.
You must be affected by some massive cynicism, to think everyone is that stupid.

Anyway entertainment has clearly gone downhill in the last few years, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything you said. I'm particularly unconvinced about your complaints about the lack of appreciation about music.
Personally I can't play music. I can pick out the instruments and I, and beats but that's not really why I listen to music. I listen to music for the emotions that it invokes in me, and my experience time-frame is well-suited to the three-minute song (actually sometimes I just like the intros). So it's theoretically possible that even rap songs are just the right length and evoke some pure emotions in... Well someone, or rap wouldn't exist right?

It also sounds like you are suffering from a bad case of being rubbed smooth by everyday life, otherwise known as cliché syndrome. It is probably curable by switching off the TV and computer, running outside, getting some fresh air, meeting new and interesting people and looking on the bright side of everything for at least a week.

Actually this is a fast-paced cliché world we live in, but you are just taking it to the next level, and soon even posts like this will become cliché. It's like the whole world is getting worn smooth to a blob.
 

Soxafloppin

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TheThinker said:
Azraellod said:
i thought you got IP banned if you did that here.
News to me, I wanted to change my name so I made a new account. Besides, what if more than one person uses the computer and forum. If my brother has an account, I get banned?
You could of just changed your name, instead of deleting your account.
 

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I am Jack said:
PureChaos said:
wonder how long it'll be before someone doesn't read the OP and just post's what their fav film is?
My favorite movie is Fight Club....yay I did it....
well done, aren't you clever...and special
 

Booze Zombie

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Funny thing is, you're coming off as just as self-important as you say we here appear to be.

Why should I value your rant over, say, one of Max's humorous comments?
Because you're the only smart one, with enough perceptive ability to decipher the mad cacophony we call a world?

You're looking at the world through the same eyes you claim should be more humble.
 

oppp7

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But thinking makes my head hurt...

Ya, I admit I hate being challenged. I played RE4 like 6 times in a row with the over-powered guns. It's much funner starting off better than everything else than starting off equal. Plus I'm a calculator whore.

But "mainstream" books aren't bad. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to write a book, and one could argue that the ease with which you can aproach a mainstream book makes it more well-writen than "good" books. I don't get the point of deep thoughts in stories too often. Symbolism and motifs seem like hidden objects, creating a sort of literary Where's Waldo.
 

HentMas

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TL;DR (he he, joking)

I seem to fail to put my finger in what it is that your tread wanted to accomplish, I don?t get it, you are complaining about people for not liking to think?, that?s obvious, general public or ?pop? culture is based around what appeals more to people, and tastes are so varied that they go with fart jokes and such, things everyone can understand, now let me put a few things I thought while reading your long post (jack ass, you made me read : P)

First, you seem to have mixed two topics that while remotely similar are not the same, it looks like you are mixing ?pop culture? with ?Internet culture?, allow me to elaborate on that, you´ll see, Pop culture is what appeals to more people, what everyone likes, and in general people are lazy, they don?t like to be ?taxed? or ?waste time?, we have come to an age where information is exchanged at such pace that meaningful conversations are really scarce, and as such, listening to music, or watching something that really makes you ?think? makes the information exchange slow, and that makes people get bored, more often than not people would rather have many channels in their TV and a fridge full of beer than a bookshelf filled with books, why?, because they think ?reading? is a waste of time, of precious little time, and with all that?s happening on the world they would rather distract themselves with more ?instant gratification? that achieving more ?meaningful gratification?, in short, I think people want to be numbed down so they are ?blissfully unaware? of what is happening around them.

Now, that is not to say everyone is like that, but most people are, and I don?t think it?s a bad thing, it´s just how the present age and circumstances have come to be.
On the other topic, internet culture, well, if the mainstream media is about fast paced information exchange, the Internet is its greatest achievement, with a few clicks you can reach any type of information, and discover new things, but as we have already stated that people want ?instant gratification? it?s obvious to assume they will be downloading porn or watching old TV shows on you tube, they are ?distracting? themselves, but hey! That´s not bad either, but there is something else in the Internet people can do, and that is congregate with peers that think like them (or so they would think) the forums, that little news spot, your personal column where you are sure to have people read what you write, and you can make your unique and witty comments?

But well, people are lazy, so most of them just try to make a comment about a topic in a fast paced form, a few words resuming a whole train of thought, a few words resuming political, cultural, economical and racial background in a single text, people try to reach and appeal to a bigger audience, and so, obviously people will make repeated posts and find themselves saying exactly what another person said, why?? Because people are lazy, and with so many opinions flying from here to there well, it?s hard to make a dent in the collective mind of anonymous, it?s hard to ?shine out? and as you stated before (people think they are unique and smarter and wittier than everyone else) they become crushed by the sheer amount of ?nothing? that could come at them, no one noticed them, no one posted in their comment, no one answered their question?

And that crush makes them try to appeal to more people, and more and more until witty and smart comments become just another form of pop culture and fart jokes, it?s a vicious cycle, but again, it is not wrong, because in the end there are rare cases in which people come and actually make a difference, like your post, it is meaningful, filled with emotions and ideals, reading it is taxing and boring, but if people do read it, they will gain something more than ?instant gratification? (or so one would hope).
 

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Also, I'm going to start a thread to see how many people agree with what I believe only I believe in. It'll be fun to see how many people have a Messiah complex...
 

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I was going to go and say something witty and sharp.
Instead, after reading your whol Wall of Text, I'm just going to say that you are wrong.
I find your post just another pointless rant about the "I'm the only thinking person WAA" complex.
 

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TheThinker said:
I know, I know, you all believe you are the sane little champion of the world. Everyone else is an idiot, no one else analyses things as deeply as you and everyone else is causing some imaginary downward spiral of the world into disarray and/or moral corruption.
I never said I was sane! :)
 

TheThinker

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HentMas said:
TL;DR (he he, joking)

I seem to fail to put my finger in what it is that your tread wanted to accomplish, I don't get it, you are complaining about people for not liking to think?
"... I don't care that my opinion is often wildly outspoken, and ignored by the majority, I'd rather offend someone and get them questioning or defending their own view than to just continue adding pointlessly to a thread." and "...I sometimes just make a long and intentionally counterintuitive statement to see if anyone even bothers to read it, and most of the time they don't."

Interpret that any way you like, it was right there in my post, though probably easy to miss amongst all the rant. I'm very happy that people got talking, got talking and thinking about anything really, even if it was just breaking down some long rant to say I am wrong, it took thought and patience, and I appreciate that.
 

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Yeah, people don't like to think. Congratulations, also on the news today water is wet and friendly fire is not so friendly after all!


On a serious note, as depressing as it is, I've given up on even trying with the average dolt that roams this earth. Yeah yeah, I'm sounding like the same "high-horse" pundit you adverted about in the original post. I've long stopped giving a shit. The average person on this earth seems to dedicate around 2 seconds of thoughts to anything before acting, and would rather keep it that way. Hell, even in seemingly trivial matters we can see this tendency: Just look at the Box office's for this year so far [http://www.the-numbers.com/market/2009.php]. Sitting at number 1, with a rather spectacular advantage: Michael Bay's Transformers II. Now look at the whole list. How many of those had anything to think about? Up and maybe IceAce3? That's 2 out of 10. Of those 2, one carries the "Pixar" stamp which assures it's not overlooked (or else it probably would be ignored...) and the other is a sequel to a high quality "family-friendly" animation series that has been gathering fans for a few years now... And they sit at 3rd and7th respectively. Why do you think Stephen Mayer is better known nowadays than Alan Moore?

I've long since discovered, the hard way, that you can't save someone who's trying to drown, you can only drown with them. People wanna be stupid and shallow wastes of genetic material? By all means. I'll make it my hobby to comb through them and find the rare few that stand out from the giant homogeneous masses of semi-sentient organic waste. The rest can do as they please.
 

Lexodus

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I see your rant and raise you a jumble of ill-communicated, disconnected thoughts.

Firstly, you seem to be making a martyr of yourself, or at least attempting to. Your rant does have some good points, but you do also come off in several places as a whiny little kid with nothing better to do than complain about somebody else's habits. Also, listening to thirty-minute songs doesn't instantly make you a superhero. Yes, it's very nice that you can listen to some unusual stuff, but not everybody wants to. It's better, in my opinion, to listen to a three minute song that you enjoy than a thirty minute song that gets boring after the first five. I'm not saying that all prog rock and other such styles are boring; in fact, I'm quite a fan of some good, old fashioned acid-trip music. But I am saying that you can't judge someone as a simpleton because they like metal, for example.
People have different reasons for listening to music and posting on here alike, and different reasons are going to lead to different ways of doing things. If, for example, I want to just dance like a crazy fucker, I'm going to put on some trance or club music, and go batshit insane, no matter what anyone else says. If I'm in the mood, I do this at dances, and people end up joining in because it's just so damn fun to let go of your inhibitions and go wild. If I want a laugh, I'm going to go to a place like FML on the internet, because, really, I enjoy that kind of thing.

As regards your notes on TV shows, I must say that I agree that the quality of TV has definitely gone down. But, again, this is because TV is serving a different purpose than it used to. People do turn on shows like Two and a Half Men (which I was disappointed to find wasn't just half a man rolling around and screaming) for some quick laughs, because that's what they want to see. They want to unwind and get a quick laugh, because it's not hard work.
Personally, I don't watch much TV nowadays, but usually I end up watching something trivial like Spongebob Squarepants. Why? Because I happen to like it. It has funny moments and a pretty dumb, but funny, sense of humour. If I wanted something heavy, I'd watch 2001. But I don't, so I watch Spongebob.

You also do contradict yourself a lot, especially where you claim to be one of the masses, but then distance yourself, attempt to instruct the masses on what to do, and then judge yourself as better than everyone else ("II don't expect any of you to even read it"). For this, instead of launching into some long speech about how you have little faith in humans and that not all of us are stupid, I'm simply going to say this: shut up, you egotistical asshole. See what I did there? Any points I may have made and that you may have understood and accepted are gone, just like that. You know why? Because I insulted my target audience (as you did), which, unless you're doing standup, does nothing but alienate them.

Finally, I just want to say that generally people don't respond well to an anonymous figure telling them what to do, as the case is here. People generally don't like others making decisions for them as well; I'm a prime example of this. Singing is a huge part of my life, and through my entire life I've been nurtured to be an opera singer when I grow up. Yes, I have the voice for it, but in my heart of hearts, I really don't want to be an opera singer. I just want to play guitar and sing in a band. I just want to rock the fuck out, but what I want is overlooked by the adults muscling into my life, like the relatives that say, "Oh, your great grandfather was an operatic tenor" and expect me to follow in his footsteps, not paying any mind to anything I say. Yes, I enjoy Don Giovanni, but I don't want to sing it for the rest of my life. I want to live by my own terms.

All in all, what I'm trying to say is that I admire your goals, but disagree with your methods.
 

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eatenbyagrue said:
brainfreeze215 said:
Of course people don't like to think. Nature in all forms follows the path of least resistance. We have to think in order to maintain the standard of living we've created for ourselves.
Honestly, you're not putting as much thought into this as you are.

Watching any nature documentary will quickly disavow the idea of "nature always follows the path of least resistance". Salmon migrations for one. If nature indeed "always followed the path of least resistance", then the salmon would just breed wherever they please, instead of choosing to make the long, arduous and quite dangerous trek upstream just to spawn.

"Path of least resistance" is a distinctly human idea, because as logical beings, we're able to think about which of our possible actions would create the most profit for the least effort. But even then, humans don't "always" follow it. If we did that, then why would scientists bother with multiple trials and peer reviews, if they can get the same outcome twice and call it "done"?
I suppose I could have worded it better. My point is really that we try to avoid thinking as much as possible, and the thinking we usually do is done in order to do less thinking in the future or out of necessity. And nature follows the path of least resistance to the extent that it can still thrive. Obviously there are exceptions, but for every salmon over-exerting itself to get up a river, there is a bear lazily picking them out of the air. And even so, those salmon are probably swimming up the river because it's easier than finding a new safe place to breed.

Path of least resistance. It's physics!
 

Woodsey

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this thread may be a challenge in itself for you to not run away from a small wall of text and actually give an opinion.
Charming way to open a thread and invite people to reply.

I know, I know, you all believe you are the sane little champion of the world.
This is where I stopped reading, and I nearly did the first time you wrote like a condescending idiot. If you want a topic about something I wouldn't start it off by patronising every body who's going to read it.
 

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You sound like my mother...

Really, though, I may not post paragraphs-long posts, but I typically post a generalization of my thought, and if it is a good thread, will wind up thinking about it as I go on with my life. Often, I come back and edit my earlier posts, even when no one's going to see them, just for the sake of things.
The escapist is a place I visit for my own personal stimulation, and I don't bother putting tremendous efforts into my posts unless I'm looking for a heated discussion. That being said, I do have standards for my posts, and am not too fond of list threads, myself.
 

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Erana said:
You sound like my mother...

Really, though, I may not post paragraphs-long posts, but I typically post a generalization of my thought, and if it is a good thread, will wind up thinking about it as I go on with my life. Often, I come back and edit my earlier posts, even when no one's going to see them, just for the sake of things.
The escapist is a place I visit for my own personal stimulation, and I don't bother putting tremendous efforts into my posts unless I'm looking for a heated discussion. That being said, I do have standards for my posts, and am not too fond of list threads, myself.
You mean the OP right?
 

Erana

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Woodsey said:
Erana said:
You sound like my mother...

Really, though, I may not post paragraphs-long posts, but I typically post a generalization of my thought, and if it is a good thread, will wind up thinking about it as I go on with my life. Often, I come back and edit my earlier posts, even when no one's going to see them, just for the sake of things.
The escapist is a place I visit for my own personal stimulation, and I don't bother putting tremendous efforts into my posts unless I'm looking for a heated discussion. That being said, I do have standards for my posts, and am not too fond of list threads, myself.
I do?
Well, she doesn't rant about games, but yeah, she's ranted on occasion with the same sentiment. Or, as close as she comes to ranting.
That being said, I get yelled at if I don't think about everything I do, which in retrospect is probably why I'm bad at many video games. Sometimes, I even purposely build stats poorly.
Hrm...
*begins a bout of introspection*

Wait, you're not the OP? Fail on my part...
Meh, forget introspection. I'm going to lunch.
 

HentMas

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TheThinker said:
HentMas said:
TL;DR (he he, joking)

I seem to fail to put my finger in what it is that your tread wanted to accomplish, I don't get it, you are complaining about people for not liking to think?
"... I don't care that my opinion is often wildly outspoken, and ignored by the majority, I'd rather offend someone and get them questioning or defending their own view than to just continue adding pointlessly to a thread." and "...I sometimes just make a long and intentionally counterintuitive statement to see if anyone even bothers to read it, and most of the time they don't."

Interpret that any way you like, it was right there in my post, though probably easy to miss amongst all the rant. I'm very happy that people got talking, got talking and thinking about anything really, even if it was just breaking down some long rant to say I am wrong, it took thought and patience, and I appreciate that.
OOOHHH, ok, now i get it, hehe, i just focused more on the complains than the main fact of your statement haha
 

TheNumber1Zero

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well I read most of every line and plan on reading the whole thing,but I think I got the jist of it.you are upset because there are stupid lazy people on the internet.

really?

let me check...yep,you think they are lazy,metally challenged,and just want to post a quick,weak version of their opinion without having do do much effort,such as this guy
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really?even I read at least a large chunk of it.you didn't even try,not even skinmmed?

well it proves your point,sadly your point has been known for a while now,it sounds like your not wanting people to have thoughts provoked,it sounds like you want thought provoked by you.

now there is nothing wrong with wanting to get the feeling that you have proven a point and maybe made someone think of something new,but wouldn't your point of been proven to yourself when no one posted here?what you think that if no one posted here no one would find out?

the only people who would read this are the ones who already know.the people who are lazy and won't admit it won't even bother reading this.they'll either skip it and move on due to the text wall,go by the title and make a post,or even pull the same thing that circus ascendant did.

your trying to do a good thing,but the only people your informing are the ones who already know.still,at least you tried.next time you want to inform the lazy internet populas,try making it where they'll read it,boil it down to the base point at the bottom of your post or something.

and those are my thoughts.you owe me a penny.