People you agree with, but still hate?

[The_Blue_Rider]

The Escapists very own Jim Sterling (Yes I know hes actually from Destructiod)
He makes very good points and is actually rather intelligent its just that he comes off as a douchebag, and an unfunny douchebag as well

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

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I think I understand where you are coming from... But I do not agree..

Personally, the only thing I like about him was his charisma, his enthusiasm and his leadership. He made some very good speeches, which I think is where you were coming from with your manipulation comment... But his ideals were shocking from the start... He already hated the rest of the continent before he attacked, and was a sick, insane man then!

 

[Erttheking]

and also that if you regear hard enough, you can use a single country to take over a continent. .

He didn't... He never took the UK... Noone has since the Normans in 1066!

And wow... You hate Hitler because he took on Russia and lost... more than because he massacred Jews, Gypsies, and the hundreds and thousands of soldiers grafted by there countries to fight for their freedom...

Right...

I hate him because he failed in the philosophy I follow. He understood the extent to which you can radically re-purpose things to your own advantage, but he failed to apply it to himself, and so he went crazy. Hence he slaughter the Jews and started a fight against a second world power.

By the way, try to make sure you don't fall into Reducto ad Hitlerum [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum], wont you?

So you're saying if he didn't slaughter the jews and didn't pick a fight with Russia and he took all of Europe you would have respected the guy?..."slowly backs away"

 

[Esotera]

Everyone on reddit who's a part of r/atheism.

I'm about as atheist as it gets, but seriously screw these guys. There's no need to be so rude to religion, especially when it's unprovoked.

 

[9thRequiem]

The Escapists very own Jim Sterling (Yes I know hes actually from Destructiod)
He makes very good points and is actually rather intelligent its just that he comes off as a douchebag, and an unfunny douchebag as well

Awww, Ninja'd.
It's really annoying, because he does have a lot of good points (and a number that aren't so good, but hey, can't agree with everything anyone says). I want to watch his videos, but whenever I do, I just get angry at him and close it part way through.

 

[Nemu]

I can't narrow it down to one, so I guess I'll go with Nihilists as a whole. (At least, the ones I know personally.)

I find, in the area that I live in, nihilists seem to be just utter douche canoes, and I just can't deal with them. I generally agree with them (not 100%), but my gawd....they drive me crazy.

 

[flamingjimmy]

and also that if you regear hard enough, you can use a single country to take over a continent. .

He didn't... He never took the UK... Noone has since the Normans in 1066!

And wow... You hate Hitler because he took on Russia and lost... more than because he massacred Jews, Gypsies, and the hundreds and thousands of soldiers grafted by there countries to fight for their freedom...

Right...

I hate him because he failed in the philosophy I follow. He understood the extent to which you can radically re-purpose things to your own advantage, but he failed to apply it to himself, and so he went crazy. Hence he slaughter the Jews and started a fight against a second world power.

By the way, try to make sure you don't fall into Reducto ad Hitlerum [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum], wont you?

*facepalm*

It's not a reductio ad hitlerum because you compared yourself to Hitler. It wasn't someone else unfairly maligning you, it was you.

I don't believe you anyway, obvious troll.

 

[Da Orky Man]

So I was browsing on Youtube and I found this guy called the Amazing Atheist who talks about politics and pop culture and whatnot. After watching a few of his videos, I realized that while I agree with most of the things he said, I hated listening to him. He comes off as angry, disrespectful, and really douchey, and while I'm guessing that's kind of his shtick, it's still pretty annoying.

So are there famous people like this who you agree with on a lot of things, but don't like? Anyone from politicians to news anchors to celebrities to people who rant on Youtube.

I'm agreeing with you. The Amazing Atheist has some good things to say, he just doesn't say them well.
I'll add Richard Dawkins to this list as well. Sure, I may agree with most things he has to say, bt he comes across as being more stubborn the Dark Souls.

 

[flamingjimmy]

...and yeah, pretty much this too. Hitler had a fantastic opportunity considering he was top dog of Germany and had enormous amounts of power, but he wasted it all on hatred and stupidity.
At least he gave Europe a stable Government system (well, at least France - don't know about elsewhere)

But he only achieved his enormous amounts of power because of his hatred and stupidity, you can't divorce that from his ideology.

It's not like he had the right idea then went bad somewhere along the way. He always wanted to kill the jews, and he always wanted to exterminate a whole load of eastern europeans to get more land for ethnic germans to live on.

Someone saying they agree with Hitler is either a. a troll or b. stupid or c. a nazi.

 

[urahara75]

I generally agree with Anita Sarkeesian (Feminist Frequency now over on Blip.tv) and the points she usually makes regarding the "interesting" relationships between media/new media, their corresponding invoked tropes/cliches, and staunch, modern feminist thought. Her theory is mainly spot-on, and the information she presents is written on the wall . The levels of unadulterated, "brass-tacks", calling-the-mediums-and-masses-out on the WTF-levels of hypocritical and anti-feminine practices is (generally) refreshing.

Sometimes she comes across as basically "complaining about stuff she doesn't like" - for example in her Bayonetta critique, she lambasts the character's cheesecake design aesthetic and campy, provocative, and (ultimately) self-aware mannerisms whilst simultaneously foregoing to adequately and objectively address the narrative, theme(s), character motivation, and creative "intent" of the game as a hole. Ms. Sarkeesian fails to even attempt to delve into the character's nuances, taking the incredibly biased and (frankly) incomplete route of shitting on a character that wasn't meant to embody anything resembling the rigid, take no prisoners, "super-taking-herself-and-her-cause(s)-seriously" dream of female character design unbending feminists like herself cry out for.

The vibe I sometimes get from watching/supporting her videos and webcasts can make me OD on loathsome contempt for her. I understand what she gets at, but it makes me RAGE!! when she undercuts her own efforts by willingly adopting an "if you're not with my interpretation of this subject, then you're against me, foolish misogynist"-type of attitude. Ms. Sarkeesian is like Daria, or Lindsey Ellis ("Nostalgia Chick"), without bothering with putting the stuff she has problems with in an objective and contextual light.

 

[ThreeWords]

So you're saying if he didn't slaughter the jews and didn't pick a fight with Russia and he took all of Europe you would have respected the guy?..."slowly backs away"

Is there anything else that you particularly disagree with? Apart from those morally reprehensible things, he was basically doing the best with what he had, right?

...and yeah, pretty much this too. Hitler had a fantastic opportunity considering he was top dog of Germany and had enormous amounts of power, but he wasted it all on hatred and stupidity.
At least he gave Europe a stable Government system (well, at least France - don't know about elsewhere)

But he only achieved his enormous amounts of power because of his stupidity and hatred, you can't divorce that from his ideology.

It's not like he had the right idea then went bad somewhere along the way. He always wanted to kill the jews, and he always wanted to exterminate a whole load of eastern europeans to get more land for ethnic germans to live on.

Someone saying they agree with Hitler is either a. a troll or b. stupid or c. a nazi.

Your argument is obviously invalid.

No one ever came to power through being a douche-bag. No, he got his position came from realising that people will more easily believe a big lie than a small one, and he gave the whole of Europe a good fight because he realised that a fascist state is by far the most efficient state, and that in a 'fair' fight, if one such could ever exist, it would come about the victor
Of course, he wasn't perfect. His mistake was to pick too many enemies, to make use of his state unwillingly.

Essentially, I support this statement: "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature."

(However, I think it was Napoleon who gave France the same basic legal system they use today.)

 

[ThreeWords]

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I think I understand where you are coming from... But I do not agree..

Personally, the only thing I like about him was his charisma, his enthusiasm and his leadership. He made some very good speeches, which I think is where you were coming from with your manipulation comment... But his ideals were shocking from the start... He already hated the rest of the continent before he attacked, and was a sick, insane man then!

I can support his skill without agreeing with his hatred, right?

in the same way, I can agree with you that Hitler was skilled, but not about whether or not hbe is admirable...

 

[krazykidd]

Capitalist. I agree that you should be able to make as much money as you want with hard work , but not at the expense of other people .

 

[BreakfastMan]

This person [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view]. Ugh. What a loser. So unlikeable. Can have a point every now and again, though, so I tolerate him/her.

 

[Strain42]

Lady gaga. She seems like a nice person, but....shes such an attention whore! Why does she dress so stupid?

There's actually an explanation for that. Supposedly she was trying for years to get recording deals, but no one wanted her because she didn't have any kind of edge or anything that set her apart from most other pop singers on the market at the time.

So...ta-dah. I'm not sure how true that all is, that's just what I heard. I admit that I like Lady Gaga as a musician, but not as a public spectacle.

I also agree with everyone who said Jim Sterling. His videos have gotten slightly better, and more often than not I find myself agreeing with him all the way...but sometimes he's sending the right message the wrong way. Unlike with Zero Punctuation, The Big Picture, Extra Credits or Escape to the movies, I rarely feel like I'm actually learning anything from Jim's episodes. I'm either going "Yeah, I agree with that" or I disagree with it. I'm rarely told something I wasn't already aware of.

I'm sure there are plenty of other people I could think of that I agree with but have some sort of personal issue against but...not off the top of my head.

 

[Erttheking]

So you're saying if he didn't slaughter the jews and didn't pick a fight with Russia and he took all of Europe you would have respected the guy?..."slowly backs away"

Is there anything else that you particularly disagree with? Apart from those morally reprehensible things, he was basically doing the best with what he had, right?

...and yeah, pretty much this too. Hitler had a fantastic opportunity considering he was top dog of Germany and had enormous amounts of power, but he wasted it all on hatred and stupidity.
At least he gave Europe a stable Government system (well, at least France - don't know about elsewhere)

But he only achieved his enormous amounts of power because of his stupidity and hatred, you can't divorce that from his ideology.

It's not like he had the right idea then went bad somewhere along the way. He always wanted to kill the jews, and he always wanted to exterminate a whole load of eastern europeans to get more land for ethnic germans to live on.

Someone saying they agree with Hitler is either a. a troll or b. stupid or c. a nazi.

Your argument is obviously invalid.

No one ever came to power through being a douche-bag. No, he got his position came from realising that people will more easily believe a big lie than a small one, and he gave the whole of Europe a good fight because he realised that a fascist state is by far the most efficient state, and that in a 'fair' fight, if one such could ever exist, it would come about the victor
Of course, he wasn't perfect. His mistake was to pick too many enemies, to make use of his state unwillingly.

Essentially, I support this statement: "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature."

(However, I think it was Napoleon who gave France the same basic legal system they use today.)

...If you're ok with the invasion of soverign nations and with their native governments being destroyed and their people being oppresed by a foriegn power than...yeah more power to ya buddy...oh God.