Persona 5: hopes for the game...

[krazykidd]

Why is it no one is happy with anything anymore ? There's always complaints about everything . I personally like the game as it is , and would change a thing ( except maybe having a super hard mode , like SMT:Nocturne hard , but that's just because i'm a gaming masochist ).

Your right. We will get what we are given. And We will be grateful for it.

I think constructive criticism is mandatory for everything to improve.

But constructive criticism is completly subjective . I think artists ( yes developpers are artists , of sorts ) , should stay true to who they are and shouldn't compromise their work . I mean especially the developpers of Atlus , they have MANY SMT games under their belt and have quite a following , i think they know wha they are doing . Compare their old games to their newer ones and things have changed quite a bit while staying true to their style . And all the things OP wants to change ( add or subtract ) are what makes their games Unique ( not including the female protagonist ).

I think we can trust them.

I disagree with you so much it hurts.

They can change what OP (I) suggested and stay true to themselves easily. But you think that bad English lyrics and monotonous dungeons are what make smt games unique? I am literally flabbergasted you think that.

It boils down to how many copies do they want to sell, games are products as well as art. The Jrpg community is unique in the fact that what they want is generally sensible and not shit. Notice how things like multiplayer and online rankings were not on my list.

In this much though you can stuff your opinion because you are flat out wrong. A poorly implemented dating system does not make Persona 4 unique. It means they need a better one in Persona 5. I can see what you mean if you like the grind and the dungeons. But P4 wasn't perfect and telling them what wasn't perfect will improve the next one.

I can understand that you are the type to just watch and let stuff play out, but with todays technology most people want some input. Hell I may post a link to this thread on Atlus' facebook so they can have a look if they want to.

I respect your opinion even though i disagree entirely . I found the music had it's own little charm , and i continuously listen to the soundtrack as it is ( actually i find the soundtracks to be fitting for any game). I honestly believe that if it was fully translated into english, i wouldn't listen to it . Because it would just become another pop song in a jrpg ( kinda like the song from leona lewis in FFXIII).The grind i like . I honestly enjoy griding in SMT games , it's the only series i can continuously grind for hours without getting bored . Again all of this is subjective .

The social aspect of the game was good i find . It didn't get in the way of gameplay/story , and offered a nice extra with nice bonuses ( to arcana ). Persona is not a dating sim . The social links are for bonds in friendship . The romantic aspect was a nice reward for having a high level friendship bond with female characters , but it didn't feel forces , or awkward ( i'm sure there is some people that would have liked male on male romance , but that's a whole other can of worms ). My fear is , if they add more to the romance , like dating , taking characters out and stuff , it would be soley for fanservice , or it would take up too much place in the game where it actually does become a dating sim . The way the system is now is a nice middleground .

I liked the dungeons . While it could use a little more variation, story wize it makes complete sense why it's like that, story wize.

Edit: I am curious . Have you played other SMT games ? If so what did you think about them?

 

[Korten12]

5) Totally agree with this. I think my wife would really enjoy P4, even if playing as a guy, but I know she would prefer to play as a girl. I'm sure this is true for many female gamers, and while it would involve quite a bit of writing to change the character dynamics depending on the protagonist's gender, I think the effort would really pay off for the player. Admittedly, I don't think every character should have the option of being in a relationship with the protagonist regardless of sex, but there should be the option for at least one or more. I think I would just find it too unbelievable if I played as a girl yet could date any female character and same if I was a guy with the guy characters. But one or two of each being willing I would find believable.

Yeah that's something I always found wierd in games like Dragon Age where every character is romancable which either gender. It's unrealistic and reminds me that I am in a game... But to have one or two options (two being best) is more realistic.

Also for people saying they would want to date Kanji... He likes Naoto, deal with it. XD

 

[verdant monkai]

I respect your opinion even though i disagree entirely . I found the music had it's own little charm , and i continuously listen to the soundtrack as it is ( actually i find the soundtracks to be fitting for any game). I honestly believe that if it was fully translated into english, i wouldn't listen to it . Because it would just become another pop song in a jrpg ( kinda like the song from leona lewis in FFXIII).The grind i like . I honestly enjoy griding in SMT games , it's the only series i can continuously grind for hours without getting bored . Again all of this is subjective .

The social aspect of the game was good i find . It didn't get in the way of gameplay/story , and offered a nice extra with nice bonuses ( to arcana ). Persona is not a dating sim . The social links are for bonds in friendship . The romantic aspect was a nice reward for having a high level friendship bond with female characters , but it didn't feel forces , or awkward ( i'm sure there is some people that would have liked male on male romance , but that's a whole other can of worms ). My fear is , if they add more to the romance , like dating , taking characters out and stuff , it would be soley for fanservice , or it would take up too much place in the game where it actually does become a dating sim . The way the system is now is a nice middleground .

I liked the dungeons . While it could use a little more variation, story wize it makes complete sense why it's like that, story wize.

Edit: I am curious . Have you played other SMT games ? If so what did you think about them?

Yeah fair enough I can see we are coming at this game from completely different angles. I like the soundtrack as well and I will listen to it whilst drawing or just chilling ect. I just think it would sound better in Japanese because her English is forced and sounds a bit awkward, however I'm a big fan of skies the limit its a good soundtrack it just needs to be Japanese spoken.

I get you like the grind and the mechanics, I preferred the social interactions and would like to see more of it. As you said its subjective.

Nope I haven't played any other SMT games other than Persona 4. I was told it was the best one to start out with as its the best. From what I've seen of the others I dont think they are my thing, too much grind not enough characterization. I will play Persona 3 some time but thats after I get through Tales of Vesperia and the Witcher. In short I'd call myself a fledgling Persona fan rather than a Shin Megami Tensei fan.

 

[krazykidd]

I respect your opinion even though i disagree entirely . I found the music had it's own little charm , and i continuously listen to the soundtrack as it is ( actually i find the soundtracks to be fitting for any game). I honestly believe that if it was fully translated into english, i wouldn't listen to it . Because it would just become another pop song in a jrpg ( kinda like the song from leona lewis in FFXIII).The grind i like . I honestly enjoy griding in SMT games , it's the only series i can continuously grind for hours without getting bored . Again all of this is subjective .

The social aspect of the game was good i find . It didn't get in the way of gameplay/story , and offered a nice extra with nice bonuses ( to arcana ). Persona is not a dating sim . The social links are for bonds in friendship . The romantic aspect was a nice reward for having a high level friendship bond with female characters , but it didn't feel forces , or awkward ( i'm sure there is some people that would have liked male on male romance , but that's a whole other can of worms ). My fear is , if they add more to the romance , like dating , taking characters out and stuff , it would be soley for fanservice , or it would take up too much place in the game where it actually does become a dating sim . The way the system is now is a nice middleground .

I liked the dungeons . While it could use a little more variation, story wize it makes complete sense why it's like that, story wize.

Edit: I am curious . Have you played other SMT games ? If so what did you think about them?

Yeah fair enough I can see we are coming at this game from completely different angles. I like the soundtrack as well and I will listen to it whilst drawing or just chilling ect. I just think it would sound better in Japanese because her English is forced and sounds a bit awkward, however I'm a big fan of skies the limit its a good soundtrack it just needs to be Japanese spoken.

I get you like the grind and the mechanics, I preferred the social interactions and would like to see more of it. As you said its subjective.

Nope I haven't played any other SMT games other than Persona 4. I was told it was the best one to start out with as its the best. From what I've seen of the others I dont think they are my thing, too much grind not enough characterization. I will play Persona 3 some time but thats after I get through Tales of Vesperia and the Witcher. In short I'd call myself a fledgling Persona fan rather than a Shin Megami Tensei fan.

Okay cool i get you . We both like the same game for different reasons , we agree to disagree ( CIVALIZED!). From your posts , i would assume the main SMT series wouldn't be fore you ( Persona is a a spinoff ), but i would say give em a shot . If you have a DS or 3DS , there are some decent SMT games on there , not too expensive . Devil survivor is an Strategy Jrpg , really good if you like strategy games , and Strange journey ( my personal favorite SMT game ), is a first person Dungeon crawler ( and spiritual successor of SMT: Nocturne ). Two games i would suggest if you're interedted in smt games .

 

[verdant monkai]

Okay cool i get you . We both like the same game for different reasons , we agree to disagree ( CIVALIZED!). From your posts , i would assume the main SMT series wouldn't be fore you ( Persona is a a spinoff ), but i would say give em a shot . If you have a DS or 3DS , there are some decent SMT games on there , not too expensive . Devil survivor is an Strategy Jrpg , really good if you like strategy games , and Strange journey ( my personal favorite SMT game ), is a first person Dungeon crawler ( and spiritual successor of SMT: Nocturne ). Two games i would suggest if you're interedted in smt games .

I like a bit of internet rage but we have reached a good understanding here.

I do have both a DS and 3DS but unfortunately I live on the wrong side of the Atlantic to obtain a lot of the good Japanese imports (our friends in America must have them all you see). It is also mostly due to the fact that Britain is mostly concerned with importing cheap booze and football merchandise, to be concerned with the want and needs of the likes of me. For instance strange journey is only available in the US and Japan. Third world countries like mine only get the main releases and various others if we've been good.

I dont know.... I may play them if they grace my glorious nation with their presence. The unfortunate thing is I am 1 week away from a trip to the states. But thanks to the diseased mess who invented regional compatibility I wont be able to play anything I buy.

 

[verdant monkai]

Also for people saying they would want to date Kanji... He likes Naoto, deal with it. XD

Woah watch out that's my fan fiction you are treading on.

 

[Leemaster777]

My thoughts on each one:

1. I honestly like the relationship system in Persona 4 (Much better than 3's, where whenever you max a social link with a female, you automatically bone whether you're interested or not). As for relationships actually affecting the cutscenes... sort of "nature of the beast" on that one. JRPGs are heavily story-focused. It wouldn't really be feasible to try and make EVERY cutscene altered depending on who you're dating.

2. Never really bothered me. Really like the songs in the Persona series. I groove more on the music than the lyrics.

3. Honestly, for a dungeon-crawler, the Persona series isn't really grindy at all. Your problem seems to be that you're doing all your combat at one time, and all your socializing at another. And as for your party being underleveled, that's because you're not switching them out. Whenever I got a new party member, I replaced them for one of the members in my team until they got up to level. You need to keep rotating the members on your team to keep everyone up to pace.

4. Can't really agree with you here. Persona 4 has some of the BEST dungeons I've seen in a game. And again, it's sort of the inherent problem with dungeon crawlers, you're going to be seeing the same dungeon alot until you've cleared it. (And hey, it's STILL better than Persona 3, which had you in Tartarus the whole time).

5. Lucky for you, this seems likely. We can hope, at least.

6. Sounds good on paper, but honestly, the way saves are set up now is by design. The difficulty of the dungeons COMES from not being able to save often. It makes you think "do I want to go back and save now, or can I push ALITTLE further on?".

And as for saving during the day, and messing up dialogue, that's really your own fault. Classic RPG rule #1. Save early, and save often.

As for me, as long as they can keep up the level of quality they've had so far, there isn't a whole lot I'd change to Persona. Maybe make the Social Link segments voiced instead of all text, but that's about it.

 

[The_Scrivener]

I'd like for it to have some gravity like 3 did versus the Scooby Doo of P4, but honestly, my only real hope is that it comes to fruition. Those games are some of the most refreshing and unique original titles around and I love Atlus to death for making them. Extraordinary.

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

For instance strange journey is only available in the US and Japan.

Very true, but I'm from the UK, too and I can attest to the fact that the US copy of Strange Journey runs fine on a UK 3DS. It will almost certainly work on a UK DS, too.

Unfortunately, 3DS gmes are all region-locked so we just have to wait for SMT IV :[

Honestly, though, while the main series has far better combat than Persona (imo) if the combat and dungeoneering isn't what appealed to you, Strange Journey won't be for you. It has a good story but it's spread out between very long bouts of dungeon crawling. Lucifer's Call is a lot more plot-heavy if you wanna play a main series game, though it isn't as character focused as Persona.

 

[verdant monkai]

Very true, but I'm from the UK, too and I can attest to the fact that the US copy of Strange Journey runs fine on a UK 3DS. It will almost certainly work on a UK DS, too.

Unfortunately, 3DS gmes are all region-locked so we just have to wait for SMT IV :[

Honestly, though, while the main series has far better combat than Persona (imo) if the combat and dungeoneering isn't what appealed to you, Strange Journey won't be for you. It has a good story but it's spread out between very long bouts of dungeon crawling. Lucifer's Call is a lot more plot-heavy if you wanna play a main series game, though it isn't as character focused as Persona.

Thanks for the heads up but I'm not willing to pay £45+ for a game I have never heard of before, I'd also have to consider postage costs. Maybe I'll have a look in a few game stops when I'm in the states.

Yeah I just don't think Shin Megami is for me really. They would be too much of a slog for me to fight through. I'm happy with the Persona series though its a series I'll readily support.

Although I am eyeing SMT 4 I'll watch some reviews before I decide.