'Pick-up artist' banned from the UK

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Ikaruga33 said:
Now you're just arguing themantics.
The point of a 'legit pick up artist' is merely to teach men how to make women want to sleep with them.
Depending n how you interpret this, therein lies the problem. Being a pick up artist is about making women want to sleep with you. It's firmly based on the notion of "Well this woman doesn't want to sleep with me, what combination of words and actions will change that?". When somebody says no, or is not interested you should back off.

It should be a hell of a lot more about finding someone who'd like to sleep with you than trying to convince those that don't that they do.

That being said, I think there's nothing wrong with the idea of making yourself more attractive to the other gender. It's something that women are pretty much expected to do as it is, and while I'd rather the expectation be removed, more men doing it because they want to be more attractive is totally fine
 

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The Lunatic said:
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The guy touches and kisses women without having any reason to believe they want him to.
Okay, but, has anyone filed anything against him for doing this?
Yes, but that is not the whole point. He is speaking of his trip to Tokyo, where he discovered he could force women's heads into his crotch as they passes by on the street, and they would not try to stop him. This is something he was indeed bragging about in one of his lectures. This is also rather racist, as we expresses this as a white privilege. This is not a free speech issue, this is a man promoting and practicing felony sexual assault, and attempting to get away with it.
 

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erttheking said:
Ikaruga33 said:
So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .
I'd probably be ok with it if he wasn't encouraging sleazy behavior. Fortunatly I have the perfect person in mind.

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with the odd sword fight from time to time.

insaninater said:
Ikaruga33 said:
So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .
Perfectly fine. Hell, probably a credit to the community if it's legitimate. A lot of people just don't even know where to start with romance, and having someone to guide you is a perfectly valid service, even if it is just looking for one-night-stands at the bar. Just don't advocate abuse.

It does kind depress me that this sort of thing is necessary though. People shouldn't need a seminar to get laid, it shouldn't be that hard, and it probably wouldn't be if our society wasn't so insecure about sex.
Not just that, standards are all over the place, you get women that want prince charming yet seem to only mess with scummy men and you have Men that want a woman for all the wrong reasons.
And apparently fewer people (young) are getting married in England.
 

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Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
 

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Ikaruga33 said:
So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .
There are great people like that who already exist on the internet. Dr. Nerdlove, for example. There are just way too many like this guy, or RooshV (admitted rapist scumbag that he is). :(
 

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Ihateregistering1 said:
Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Those people would probably eat up his techniques anyway.
 

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I feel that if he were to suddenly disappear from the world then the world would suddenly be slightly less shitty. I seriously hope that the next woman he tries his "technique" on beats him the fuck up. Some people do need some help with self confidence & other ways of attracting others for dating purposes I get that but those people need to get advice from not manipulative assholes. I do think that their is a possibility for some one to be a dating coach & not be a scumbag but as it stands 99% of them are which really hurts those who do have bad socialization issues and are seeking advice because they may (but I really hope they don't) buy into this kind of shit sadly which is only a bad thing all around.
Ihateregistering1 said:
Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
I would have to say that the only people that would believe that claim are MRAs who already think that it happens.
 

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erttheking said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!
Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.
 

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insaninater said:
From what i'm hearing in this thread, isn't that basically the gist of it? That, in the UK, you can basically deny anyone access on any wild accusation? I could be wrong, that's just what i'm getting from the thread. Of course I'd give a lot of credence to those allegations against this guy, because they hardly seem wild, but i'm a firm believer in "innocent until proven guilty", even for shitheads.
It's not a matter of "innocent until proven guilty". He wasn't in a court of law, he was requesting entry into a country, and any country has the right to deny entry to a non-citizen for any reason they choose.
 

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Damn, I wish this guy would have done society a favor and just fucked himself instead of manipulating others in his compulsion to have sex.
I know sex feels good and all, but buy a damn box of tissues and you can skip over the whole screwing with other people to get your jollies.
Should the guy be banned? He's pretty much teaching other people who to psychologically abuse others for self gratification, the only reason it's not illegal is due to our lack of understanding of psychology and the fact that most laws were created before the study of psychology was formed.
So yeah, fuck him, it just sucks that he has to come back to the US.

Ironically enough the Escapist is currently running ads for The Girlfriend activation system:
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It got a little cut off, but the "This Weird "Method" Will Make Her Your Girlfriend" links to a site talking about how to take advantage of women.
I know the shit ads put money on the table, but this is low.
 

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Zeconte said:
You're surprised it took all of 2 posts for someone to come to his defense, and all of 4 posts to get 2 people defending him?
In my defense, I have Carnex on ignore. I didn't even notice he had posted. I was surprised it took to the fourth response, honestly, but since there was already one, I guess I have to revise my shock.

I'm not even surprised that these people who defend him do so on the premise that he hasn't been convicted yet despite having it explained to them that his entire seminar is based upon how to get away with committing sexual assault. Nor am I surprised by the fact that they further excuse his behavior and defend his right to not only carry out these acts, but teach others how to do so as well, by blaming the victims for letting him/them get away with it despite him specifically targeting and teaching others how to identify and target women that are most likely to be able to be intimidated into not reporting them.
Honestly, I actually had higher expectations for the guy who started in on that argument, which isn't to say I particularly had high expectations.

insaninater said:
From what i'm hearing in this thread, isn't that basically the gist of it?
Or, you know, you could actually do research on the subject. From what I can tell, that's not "the gist of it."

Would you be defending this guy if he was bragging about his technique to get away with murder, or does it only count when you instruct people on how to get away with sexual assault?
 

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NiPah said:
Ironically enough the Escapist is currently running ads for The Girlfriend activation system:
I googled this and "my eyes, my eyes," so I don't know. Does the "Girlfriend Activation System" involve telling people that they can get away with groping women in certain parts of Japan because not only won't the women say anything, neither will the men or the police?

Because there's scum, and there's instructing people on how to get away with assault.
 

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Ihateregistering1 said:
erttheking said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!
Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.
Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
erttheking said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!
Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.
Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.
Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.
 

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Ihateregistering1 said:
AccursedTheory said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
erttheking said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.
The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!
Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.
Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.
Wikipedia said:
Sexual assault, a form of sexual violence, is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person.
Ok, cool. Guess I'm free to grab random women's hands and force them to touch my groin.

impowr.org said:
The Penal Code also criminalizes ?Forcible Indecency?. Article 176 of the Penal Code provides that ?[a] person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits an indecent act upon a male or female of not less than thirteen years of age shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not less than 6 months but not more than 10 years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female under thirteen years of age.?
EDIT: That was needlessly snarky. Completely uncalled for.

Think I'll ditch this thread until tomorrow, after some good sleep.