'Pick-up artist' banned from the UK

[carnex]

What he did IS illegal in the UK. Hence why he was banned from entering the UK.

I will say just this much. In London outskirts, there is person that roasted 7 people alive during wars in EX Yugoslavia. And before that person applied for UK visa files on him were delivered to the UK government. Things like that are not, in any form, problem to admit people into country.

It should be (especially in horrific cases), you will not have any argument from me on that, but it isn't.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

What he did IS illegal in the UK. Hence why he was banned from entering the UK.

I will say just this much. In London outskirts, there is person that roasted 7 people alive during wars in EX Yugoslavia. And before that person applied for UK visa files on him were delivered to the UK government. Things like that are not, in any form, problem to admit people into country.

It should be (especially in horrific cases), you will not have any argument from me on that, but it isn't.

So what you are saying is rather than ban him, they should take this guy to the guy who roasts people alive to handle him?

 

[Gorrath]

So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.
No con games,harassment, minimum amount of drugs. He just teaches us what is and isn't attractive .

I'd probably be ok with it if he wasn't encouraging sleazy behavior. Fortunatly I have the perfect person in mind.

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I have an almost fullproof method of picking up women. I treat them like human beings, neither unworthy slime nor sublime beings who are above me. I find it amazing that so many men (not yourself) think that either degrading women or placing them up on some high pedestal is the way to form a romantic relationship with them. Even if all a guy wants is sex, the best bet is to find a woman who just wants sex. Heaps of ridiculous praise is no more effective than veiled insults meant to break down a woman's self esteem. Sure, you might find some women such tactics are effective on, but I'll always argue that the same ends can be reached with far better means. I don't fancy myself a pick-up-artist, just someone who has had a very successful love life.

 

[Azure23]

White supremacists, Black Supremacists, NeoNazis, feminists advocating extermination of males etc are accepted regularly... it's called innocent until proven guilty.

But this guy is worse apparently. No, I can't support such actions. Hi might be asshole, but that's not grounds for refusal of entry. By that standard, no politician would cross borders.

Apologies if this has already been addressed, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna wade through another stew like this to see if someone has already responded.

And actually the UK has often refused visas to known hate preachers or others who they think have the possibility of inciting violence, especially if there is a large public outcry (such is the case here). They have a responsibility to represent the will of the people if they choose to make their voices heard, there was a very large, very public petition to prevent him from entering.

And there really is no innocent until proven guilty here, there are publicly disseminated videos of him grabbing women's heads and forcing them towards his crotch, that's sexual harassment, whether the women have chosen to go through the legal process is entirely moot at that point.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

This case? Ugh. This guy disgusts me.

Yeah, I have no problem with him being turned away at the border.

Now, I know some "freedom of speech" arguments can be made (and probably have been made), but here's the thing...Given what the guy is saying and advocating for, I'd say it's about the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.

The guy has advocated that people rape women (literally "Pay me and rape women"), tells people to choke random women to "pick them up", and does so not even under the guise of comedy. He actually says this stuff seriously.

If a guy was giving seminars on how to get rich and he was telling people to just literally steal things they wanted and to fight anyone who tried to stop you because stealing shit is your right as the alpha male, and all you have to do is "DO IT", and people were starting to agree with him, he's also be prevented from speaking because he'd be inciting crime.

IMO, he's not being banned for "sexism", but rather being banned for inciting crimes like rape and assault.

And personally, I hope a big huge overweight wrestler walks up to him someday and pulls the face-on-crotch thing on him to see how much HE likes it when it's done to HIM.

 

[Colour Scientist]

I'd be quite pleased if no country let him in and he slowly sank beneath the rising waves while knocking on the border guard's porta-cabin door (because that's what borders look like). Glub glub glub.

He has a "bootcamp" scheduled in Dublin too but it looks like there's a similar petition telling him to fuck right off.

I'm not one for infantilisation and, in most other cases, I wouldn't be against someone just speaking but this guy is outright advocating sexual assault so yeah, I'd rather he didn't come here to carry out his Sexual Harrassment Bootcamp.

I'm torn, on the one hand it'd be cool for Ireland to follow suit and not let him in on the other hand wouldn't it be great to get a chance to piss in his beer? I mean we already know he'll definitely end up in Copper's so it'd just mean playing the waiting game.

Does that mean I'd have to go to Coppers?

 

[Something Amyss]

Thankfully they're banned from the UK to.

I think I knew that, because that rings a bell.

You say that, but I believe there's a footballer and convicted rapist whose effectively been given a slap on the wrist and allowed back into the sport despite being an unrepentant rapist.

There's no "but" here unless you're saying I believe that's okay. At best, I'm unaware of this story you believed happened. Who was it? Did they serve any actual time? Are sporting associations the pinnacle of morality to which we should aspire?

I just feel not comfortable with banning people from entering a country just because we don't like him or what he represents.

The problem is you're reframing the issue.

What he "represents" is criminal acts. Would you feel the same way about pedophilesd?

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

So, disregarding this guys disgusting behaviour, what do you guys think of the idea of a legitimate pick up artist?
Someone who simply teaches us men how to become more attractive to women, in order to have consensual sex.

What, like a dating coach?

Those can be great. I went to a seminar hosted by Spike Spencer at a local anime convention over the summer, and it was kinda life changing. Got me to finally make that step towards not being a doormat for everyone.

The guy wasn't doling out tips for "picking up chicks". Hell, he opened by saying "If you're here to get quick tips on getting laid with random women as quick as possible, this panel isn't for you".

Instead, he offered advice on how to become more confident, and how to impress girls (Specifically by cooking, and catching on to when some women try to "test" you). That and stuff like "If you like a girl, ask for a date. Do NOT, however, expect a yes. Never expect a yes. That way you don't get hurt feelings and can just move on with your life and brush it off. Believe it or not, that makes you MORE attractive to them.".

Essentially his advice boiled down to "Care about yourself, make yourself better. Make yourself FEEL better to those around you. You want a one-in-a-million girl? Become a one in a million man. You WILL find someone."

You know, the contrast between Spike and that Julian guy are basically night and day.

One is a happily (recently) married man who tells you how to better yourself and please women.

The other is a loser creep who tells you to choke women and shove their faces into your crotch, and to target women who are submissive or vulnerable so you can get away with it.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Quick question.

How the fuck do you trick someone into having sex with you? Surely you just act charming then you ask. Does this guy get girls drunk then have sex with them? because thats not tricking them, thats just taking advantage of the drunk which isn't hard. But seriously how do you go about tricking someone into it? Promise wine gums and a free CD after your done? and then refuse to give them anything? Because if you promise to give someone something in return for sex (who's not a prostitute) they sort of deserve to be duped, man or woman they should be excersising more self control.

Girl: Wow Julien that sex was incredibly average!
Julien: I know baby
Girl: So where are my free wine gums and CD?
Julien: *leans in close* I tricked you... there are no wine gums or CD.

People work on a system, a system that can be manipulated.
Address someone with a negative comment and they will be compelled to argue, if you resolve that argument with a positive comment they will think they won you over. Tell engaging stories and cut to another half way through makes it appear you two always have more to talk about. Give them opportunity for their stories and figure out what makes them tick. Later on promise them things they told you they liked. Give them an item of yours to hold and it creates the compulsion to stick around. Light meaningless touches on hands or shoulders break the physical contact barrier. Convincing them to escort you to a new location, even if five feet away creates a sense of grouping and familiarity. Put on a fake smile, some fake confidence, look people in the eyes, don't respond to the other parties suggestions, apologize or make excuses,... gives the appearance of leadership.
So on and so fort, you can probably see where all that is going.

In essence it's the exact same manipulative bullshit every self taught "playa" has learned with trial and error, now put into a step by step guide.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

I swear, the more I read this thread the more this guy morphs into the bastard child of Quagmire and Barney Stinson

 

[Dagda Mor]

It's ridiculous to ban him when you some of the people let in, war criminals, Muslim hate preachers, convicted rapist and murderers. It was largely a publicity stunt by May. Just another example of the rule of law being subverted by mawkish "mob rule" trial by popularity.

Here's what I'm hearing: "If a bad person gets in, you can't exclude any other bad people." Who else they let in and whether they're worse than this guy is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that this guy shouldn't be let in.

 

[Dagda Mor]

To the people saying that he has no criminal record: We know for a fact that he specifically targets people who won't report him for sexual harassment, and performs sexual harassment on them, which is a crime. You can see it in material that he himself has released to the public. He teaches people to perform criminal acts without getting in trouble. He is not just someone accused of sexism or criminal acts without solid proof--he is someone who we know has committed criminal acts without getting in trouble, and teaches others his methods. It's like if OJ Simpson started a class on how to get away with murder. Frankly, it's a miracle that he hasn't been convicted in court yet.

 

[Lieju]

Quick question.

How the fuck do you trick someone into having sex with you? Surely you just act charming then you ask. Does this guy get girls drunk then have sex with them? because thats not tricking them, thats just taking advantage of the drunk which isn't hard. But seriously how do you go about tricking someone into it? Promise wine gums and a free CD after your done? and then refuse to give them anything? Because if you promise to give someone something in return for sex (who's not a prostitute) they sort of deserve to be duped, man or woman they should be excersising more self control.

Girl: Wow Julien that sex was incredibly average!
Julien: I know baby
Girl: So where are my free wine gums and CD?
Julien: *leans in close* I tricked you... there are no wine gums or CD.

People work on a system, a system that can be manipulated.
Address someone with a negative comment and they will be compelled to argue, if you resolve that argument with a positive comment they will think they won you over. Tell engaging stories and cut to another half way through makes it appear you two always have more to talk about. Give them opportunity for their stories and figure out what makes them tick. Later on promise them things they told you they liked. Give them an item of yours to hold and it creates the compulsion to stick around. Light meaningless touches on hands or shoulders break the physical contact barrier. Convincing them to escort you to a new location, even if five feet away creates a sense of grouping and familiarity. Put on a fake smile, some fake confidence, look people in the eyes, don't respond to the other parties suggestions, apologize or make excuses,... gives the appearance of leadership.
So on and so fort, you can probably see where all that is going.

In essence it's the exact same manipulative bullshit every self taught "playa" has learned with trial and error, now put into a step by step guide.

Ah, it gets worse. I have read up on the kind of advice these kinds of scumbags give, and where it gets creepy and (even more)rapey is when they start talking about how you can make a woman feel they can't say no, or how you can mislead a woman to think you don't want sex so you can get closer to them, how you can make a woman to trust you just so you can break that trust later. And what kinds of women you should target because they're in a vulnerable position, and how to PUT women in a vulnerable position.

I'm not going to give specific examples, because I'm not gonna spread that kind of 'advice', but it tends to be the kind of stuff that would work on people in general.
But usually it is very misogynistic, in a sense that I really get the feeling they hate women. They think they should be having all this sex, and women are keeping them from it, so they hate women for it.

 

[Maze1125]

What he did IS illegal in the UK. Hence why he was banned from entering the UK.

I will say just this much. In London outskirts, there is person that roasted 7 people alive during wars in EX Yugoslavia. And before that person applied for UK visa files on him were delivered to the UK government. Things like that are not, in any form, problem to admit people into country.

All that is an argument for is that neither person should have been let into the country. It is in no way an argument that both should have been.

Just because person A got away with crime X doesn't mean person B should be allowed to get away with crime Y for the sake of "fairness".

 

[DefunctTheory]

Quick question.

How the fuck do you trick someone into having sex with you? Surely you just act charming then you ask. Does this guy get girls drunk then have sex with them? because thats not tricking them, thats just taking advantage of the drunk which isn't hard. But seriously how do you go about tricking someone into it? Promise wine gums and a free CD after your done? and then refuse to give them anything? Because if you promise to give someone something in return for sex (who's not a prostitute) they sort of deserve to be duped, man or woman they should be excersising more self control.

Girl: Wow Julien that sex was incredibly average!
Julien: I know baby
Girl: So where are my free wine gums and CD?
Julien: *leans in close* I tricked you... there are no wine gums or CD.

There's one way. Basically the electric method - engineer a situation where the lady goes through the path of least resistance (Out on the dance floor), then do it again (Towards the door), then again (Away from friends), until after a hundred seemingly small decisions your suddenly at his hotel door, and only a ***** turns back at that point (EDIT: That last part is not my opinion, just a illustration of what starts at that point).

Captcha: Civil Engineer

 

[Atmos Duality]

Why is this even an issues? Just charge the creep with sexual assault and be done with it.
Christ.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Wow, I'm truly amazed by the huge amount of people advocating murder, torture, and general all-around malicious actions to the guy, simply for being an asshole. Seriously guys, he's a sleazy SOB,don't get me wrong, but that doesn't excuse any of this crap you want to do to him.

Personally, I'd ban you all from every country I could get behind the idea, because you're all advocating PHYSICAL AND BODILY HARM ON ANOTHER HUMAN BECAUSE THE GUY'S A SLEAZEBALL. That's a hell of alot more dangerous than a guy teaching people how to get away with whatever their genitals wants them to do.

I don't care that you think it's justified, it's bull, and the kindergartner in all of you explaining in extensive detail how much pain you want to cause him knows it.

captcha: Ladies first

Oh that's just sickening or incredibly hilarious depending on your own views....

Love how you gloss over the sexual assault and just call it him being an asshole.

Pretty amazing to see where some people's sympathies lie in this thread. People can object to him being banned and not seem overly sympathetic, though probably misinformed. But you can't really gloss over the sexual assault and pretend the hate is just about him being sleazy without making it clear which side you're on.