Piracy and the Industry.

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Frankster

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blakfayt said:
Well, justification or no, I don't particularly give a damn, you are a random ass on the internet who thinks they have a moral high ground over me because I do something that is illegal, I wonder if you know anyone who smoke weed, or if you've already called the cops on them.
Where does this come from? -^ First calling me an ass because i don't agree with your viewpoints, then saying i think i have the moral highground (that seems to be a recurring theme), , and over something illegal you do (it's not what you do, it's your attitude about it that irks me) or just make a whole load of assumptions based on the "ass" you see me to be.

Your justifications for what you do is flawed, and your attitude inherent from it is flawed, and the knee jerk rant you threw my way is very, very flawed, i can only make some assumptions about your personality and morality otherwise, for all i know you might be a saint minus the pirating thing.
I don't mean anything less or anything more then that, see in that what you will, i didn't have a negative impression of you before before this,but now i think you're someone who's very rude and petulant :(
 

Marmooset

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Hateren47 said:
Marmooset said:
Hateren47 said:
A) Did you really just resort to a patently ridiculous TV show invention to counter my argument? Really??
B) Rationalization and being rational are pretty close to complete opposites. See that spot way in the distance? Yeah, that's it. Now, say piracy helps the economy, and watch it get even smaller.
C) Well the anology is faulty, because in it you've actually worked on a chair, and created it. It'd be closer to say you'd swiped an unindexed, uncatologued extra chair off a lot, and no one will miss it. But I'll go with your anology: If it is the same to the point of forgery, you've at least stolen the design.
Oh I'm sorry. I thought we were being ridiculous when you started talking about magic. I didn't know you were still taking the debate seriously.

So because it takes longer and takes a little skill to make a chair than burning a DVD it's okay? It's still copyright infringement. It's the same thing just a little harder. I can agree with you that its close to forgery, though I would have said counterfeiting to make your argument for you. Being in the same ballpark doesn't mean i's the same though. It has, in the legal sense, nothing to do with theft, robbery, forgery, counterfeiting, magic, Star Trek, murder, running a stop sign, drunk driving, taking candy from children, rape or Robot Wars. It's copyright infringement, nothing more.
Hey, the item magically appeared on your hard drive. The pixie dust is all on your side of the table.
But hey, I'm not judging you. I'd have to get a new avatar if I did. I just find it funny how pirates are portraying themselves as some downtrodden violated group that will one day be liberated. It's revisionist history on the ground floor.

All legal mumbo-jumbo (which is ever-so-slowly being adapted to the circumstances, actually) aside, it still boils down to a simple sequence: Did you take something? Did you pay or in some other way purchase it? Did the owner give you permission to take it?
If your answer is Yes - no - no, then hello, thief.

Whatever happens to the original is immaterial. Using it as an excuse is projection, and junkie logic.
 

Hateren47

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Marmooset said:
Hateren47 said:
Marmooset said:
Hateren47 said:
A) Did you really just resort to a patently ridiculous TV show invention to counter my argument? Really??
B) Rationalization and being rational are pretty close to complete opposites. See that spot way in the distance? Yeah, that's it. Now, say piracy helps the economy, and watch it get even smaller.
C) Well the anology is faulty, because in it you've actually worked on a chair, and created it. It'd be closer to say you'd swiped an unindexed, uncatologued extra chair off a lot, and no one will miss it. But I'll go with your anology: If it is the same to the point of forgery, you've at least stolen the design.
Oh I'm sorry. I thought we were being ridiculous when you started talking about magic. I didn't know you were still taking the debate seriously.

So because it takes longer and takes a little skill to make a chair than burning a DVD it's okay? It's still copyright infringement. It's the same thing just a little harder. I can agree with you that its close to forgery, though I would have said counterfeiting to make your argument for you. Being in the same ballpark doesn't mean i's the same though. It has, in the legal sense, nothing to do with theft, robbery, forgery, counterfeiting, magic, Star Trek, murder, running a stop sign, drunk driving, taking candy from children, rape or Robot Wars. It's copyright infringement, nothing more.
Hey, the item magically appeared on your hard drive. The pixie dust is all on your side of the table.
But hey, I'm not judging you. I'd have to get a new avatar if I did. I just find it funny how pirates are portraying themselves as some downtrodden violated group that will one day be liberated. It's revisionist history on the ground floor.

All legal mumbo-jumbo (which is ever-so-slowly being adapted to the circumstances, actually) aside, it still boils down to a simple sequence: Did you take something? Did you pay or in some other way purchase it? Did the owner give you permission to take it?
If your answer is Yes - no - no, then hello, thief.

Whatever happens to the original is immaterial. Using it as an excuse is projection, and junkie logic.
Nothing magic about harddrives or how computers work in general as I haven't got a Mac PC :D

If you insist that copyright infringement, piracy, is stealing (taking) I will insist you are in the wrong. We agree its illegal but probably not how hard it should be punished.

And pirates don't need liberation as long as they stay in the shadows. Its too expensive to find and try pirates in court compared to just let them get away with it. The best the industry can do is take down a few sites once in a while and rattle their sabres for a bit. They already lost and they need to reinvent themselves.
 

Marmooset

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Hateren47 said:
Nothing magic about harddrives or how computers work in general as I haven't got a Mac PC :D

If you insist that copyright infringement, piracy, is stealing (taking) I will insist you are in the wrong. We agree its illegal but probably not how hard it should be punished.

And pirates don't need liberation as long as they stay in the shadows. Its too expensive to find and try pirates in court compared to just let them get away with it. The best the industry can do is take down a few sites once in a while and rattle their sabres for a bit. They already lost and they need to reinvent themselves.
So we can both walk away, firm in our conviction that the other is incorrect?
I can live with that.

Escalating to rock throwing rarely works out well.