Piracy, simply put.

[wintercoat]

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You accuse him of having "no cognitive thinking" and yet you spew all that hate at him without any real justification for why what he's doing is wrong, other than it's wrong because it's wrong.

Tell me, have you actually bothered to look at the positives that can come from piracy? There are plenty of articles from artists etc who think piracy is a good thing, who see it as a form of getting their work out there and enjoyed by more people who then become fans and buy their stuff, see their shows etc. Not to mention the studies which show that people who pirate music actually spend MORE money on music than people who don't pirate. Again, because they have access to more content they wouldn't ordinarily have been exposed to and know what they like. Someone posted a video from an author who found that when he put his book online for free the sales for his other books jumped 300% and he realised that that's how people find their favourite artists, by sharing material with each other, which they then go and buy.

Whatever though. Keep calling him a troll and going on your insane rants. God forbid you actually reexamine your views. I see nothing really wrong with that the OP does, he pirates what he wants and buys what he can.

If an artist wants to release his shit for free, let him. Piss or get off the pot, eh?

You want to speak for the whole world of people that create something that they want to profit off of as if you deserve it for nothing, good for you I guess.

Keep on keepin on dood.

You see nothing wrong with millions of products being dispersed without being paid for? Have fun being blind. (God forbid you ever make something for yourself and want to sell it)

Wow, you're a massive troll aren't you?

So are you actually going to comment on the other points or check out those articles? Or is it just easier to bury your head in the sand and keep repeating "it's wrong because it's wrong" rather than face the possibility it's not as bad as you think?

You don't think it's okay for someone else to have a website and post all of Zero Punctuations videos and make money off of advertising, right?

Of course you don't.

You don't think it's right to piggy back off of others IP to make money for yourself.

You know it's wrong.

People have failed in doing the right thing.

The internet is due for regulation based on the rampant wrong doings of others.

Call me what ever names you want. Disagree with me on every word I have (and will) type. Justify IP theft from here until forever. You haven't made any works that have been pirated that you wish were not stolen from you. Being spoiled by what some call free speech and free information is BS. It's just wanting something for nothing.

Hmm...what's worse, the person who deludes themselves into believing piracy is morally justifiable, or the person who thinks copyrite laws exist to protect the artist?

 

[peruvianskys]

Hmm...what's worse, the person who deludes themselves into believing piracy is morally justifiable, or the person who thinks copyrite laws exist to protect the artist?

Hehe.

You know, this guy is right; a correct understanding of the situation must acknowledge both the harm that piracy causes as well as the absurdity of existing copyright laws. Even if I think there is a clear answer (piracy is morally wrong), you still have to admit that the legal and economic concepts around the issue are pretty murky.

 

[morrowind_lover]

Tell me, have you actually bothered to look at the positives that can come from piracy? There are plenty of articles from artists etc who think piracy is a good thing, who see it as a form of getting their work out there and enjoyed by more people who then become fans and buy their stuff, see their shows etc. Not to mention the studies which show that people who pirate music actually spend MORE money on music than people who don't pirate. Again, because they have access to more content they wouldn't ordinarily have been exposed to and know what they like. Someone posted a video from an author who found that when he put his book online for free the sales for his other books jumped 300% and he realised that that's how people find their favourite artists, by sharing material with each other, which they then go and buy.

There are systems of releasing material in a free manner they are called Open Source and Public Domain. However, in relation to Open Source, the producer relinquishes ownership of the creation as long as they are referenced in subsequent releases. Whilst this is philosophically an interesting idea it is by no means a perfect system. In an Open Source community producers survive on donations meaning that not only must the user like the project enough to download it and use it but they must have incentive to return to the site so that they can donate. About artists who think piracy is a good thing, I believe they are actually claiming that free distribution of selected works is a good tool for generating interest. I'm certain artist don't want fans going out and downloading their entire discography through a piracy site.

 

[Alterego-X]

Hmm...what's worse, the person who deludes themselves into believing piracy is morally justifiable, or the person who thinks copyrite laws exist to protect the artist?

I personally think that it's the people who delude themselves into thinking that piracy is unjustifiable, but continue doing it anyways.

All three sides use a shitload of vague economic assumptions, and questionable moral statements, but at least the first two are sticking to them, and keep on honestly believing that their side is contributing to good.

 

[Zorpheus]

What I don't get about pirates is that they somehow think they are entitled to play the games, not to be denied by things like price. They also believe that somehow these games magically come into existence without any time or money or energy involved by the creators. Either that or they believe this time invested should not be compensated. "How DARE they ask for money for this, it SHOULD BE MINE! I was never going to buy it anyway, 'cause I can't afford it, so you guys lose nothing, but I get your game, the thing you invested time and money in! Just like it should be!"

Let's step back for a second here. You can't afford the game, you say? So why are you entitled to have it? Why does not being able to afford it magically exempt you from the entry fee to experience this work? If you can't afford it, then too bad, you're not entitled to it. The people who pay for it are entitled to it, having compensated the game developer for their efforts and investment. When you pirate something, you are getting a product without the entry fee the publisher/developer decided it was worth. If you GAIN something without paying for it, then they LOSE the money you'd have given them for it normally.

Taking the OP's bus analogy. If you only have $5, and it only gets you 4 stops down, then too bad. You're not entitled to ride the bus. By staying on it without paying for that distance, the bus system loses the money you'd have paid for going further, money it needs to continue paying for the gas and the maintenance necessary to keep the bus running. If everyone used the logic the OP did, and the bus is regularly filled by self-entitled twats, then when it comes time to pull up to the gas pump, where is it getting the money for that, hmmm? Oh no, all the riders of the day used the "You're going there anyway, I should be able to ride for free" logic and now the bus driver can't afford his gas. No more busses for anyone!

Money and sales numbers are the "gas" of game developers. A lot of the both of them allows them to keep going and produce new games. If you can't afford to give them these, tough break. Yes, the publisher and developer never gets your money, so they never see a contribution from you in these things. So then why should you benefit from not being able to help them at all? Why do you feel so entitled to experience these things that you feel they should just give it to you without the price they were asking for it? What makes you so special compared to all the other people who are under that price imposition?

The answer? You're not. Quit pretending that you have entitlement towards playing a company's game. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't get it. Simply put. Play what you've already bought, or play a game that the developers have decided has no entry fee. They're entitled to decide that. You're not.

 

[Alterego-X]

What I don't get about pirates is that they somehow think they are entitled to play the games, not to be denied by things like price. They also believe that somehow these games magically come into existence without any time or money or energy involved by the creators. Either that or they believe this time invested should not be compensated. "How DARE they ask for money for this, it SHOULD BE MINE! I was never going to buy it anyway, 'cause I can't afford it, so you guys lose nothing, but I get your game, the thing you invested time and money in! Just like it should be!"

Don't argue with a fictional opponent called "the pirates". It's called strawmanning.

None of the actual people posting in this thread, made the argument that "everyone is entitled to all media, and we should all get everything for free", just that following copyright laws isn't moral on it's own. Supporting the industry is good, but getting a specific content for free doesn't directly mean a refusal to support the industry.

If everyone would act based on these by pro-piracy morals, that wouldn't hurt the industry, it would just make content more universally available.

Like in your expanded analogy. If everyone would ride the bus for free, that woul ruin public transport. But if everyone would be willing to pay for tickets in general, but willing to take an extra stop in the cases like when they don't happen to have extra money, and the bus happens to be mostly empty, public transport would be a lot more comfortable and user-friendly.

 

[Alterego-X]

Piracy's not stealing, because nothing is taken.

I stopped reading right there, STOP trying to justify it, ITS FUCKING WRONG you know its fucking wrong you know why its fucking wrong so stop trying to fucking justify to the world.

And if you really REALLY believe its NOT wrong.. then you sir are fucking stupid.

How could we know for certain, without trying to justify it, and failing? (Or succeeding?)

Deciding that it's wrong without even thinking about it, is just plain ignorance.

 

[Random Fella]

So many replies to a trolling thread
I mean seriously? Common, you've got to know this is a troll right?
Damn I'm just adding to the replies D:

 

[Alterego-X]

Piracy's not stealing, because nothing is taken.

I stopped reading right there, STOP trying to justify it, ITS FUCKING WRONG you know its fucking wrong you know why its fucking wrong so stop trying to fucking justify to the world.

And if you really REALLY believe its NOT wrong.. then you sir are fucking stupid.

How could we know for certain, without trying to justify it, and failing? (Or succeeding?)

Deciding that it's wrong without even thinking about it, is just plain ignorance.

It is wrong, it should not even be open for debate, same as filming movies in the cinema its wrong, you know why its wrong.

Only bigots and religious fanatics close moral issues with "It's wrong because it's wrong. It shouldn't be up for debate".

Normal people decide their morals on a rational basis. So tell me, why is copyright infringement irrational?