Pirate copy of Fallout 3

[DigitalSushi]

yep, piracy is piracy, your not hurting play.co.uk, but bethesda softworks, they no longer get your cut of the money,

is piracy justifiable, is it REALLY killing the industry.. meh, i dunno, if it's a game your gonna download and had no intention of buying then no, sales are not hurt, but in your case you were going to buy fallout and so yeah this would be a drip in the bucket of money lost so to speak.

He already paid for it, how is anybody losing money?

he's paid Play, who in turn haven't paid bethesda quite fucking clearly because they haven't got any copies, which means Play are on stop with bethesda, someone's not getting paid here, do the math, why would there be a shortage of DVD's? 5 months after game release?, what they didn't order any more because they didn't realise it was selling fast.

 

[Nimbus]

Well, you paid for it, so Bethesda got your money for it. I really don't see where the issue is. You bought it, therefore, you get to play it.

 

[DigitalSushi]

The problem with cancelling my order is that i used a email address i then discovered had been deleted for some reason, so couldnt provide the details. When i called them up they said the stock will be coming in soon (cough).
Its cheaper on Play than anyware else on my highstreet and play has free postage, so its cheaper than anyother online store i can find. My net isnt fast enough to download it.
The piarte copy was obtained from a friend who downlaoded it to see if it actaully worked on his rig.

Also since i paid play, the dev will have been paid. The company is not out of pocket, they have exactly same amount of money that they would have got if i hadnt.

its your money and you haven't had the service, retail law wins over Play's company policies any day, Play's refund policy is merely a rule set they trade by, by law they have to give you back your money.

edit, I typed "our" instead of "your", haha, "our monies" mine mine mine.

 

[johnman]

Also, there is no clear way of contacting play on their website, i ddint do a deep trawl but i could find no number or email address. Since i rarely use play i can never remember my account info and i dont have the confirmation email, all the other items i order at the same time arrived within 3 days. I dont feel entitled to the game as i now have copy. Im not so bothered about feeling entitle as i now have copy.

 

[GenHellspawn]

Personally, I think Bethesda deserves it more than anybody else for what they did to Fallout, but that's a different story, for a different topic.

 

[DigitalSushi]

Also, there is no clear way of contacting play on their website, i ddint do a deep trawl but i could find no number or email address. Since i rarely use play i can never remember my account info and i dont have the confirmation email, all the other items i order at the same time arrived within 3 days. I dont feel entitled to the game as i now have copy. Im not so bothered about feeling entitle as i now have copy.

in that case its your own fault you've lost your money, if a retailer was as blase as you are with their account reference's they might forget to send out games to people who paid for them.

oh

 

[xenus87]

Play charge you now before they actually send the items out?

Think I'll stick to getting my stuff from Game.co.uk, Never get charged there until your stuff is going out of the door.

 

[sheic99]

sigh, get it off D2D, remember you will need a legit copy for the 3 coming DLCs.

He did purchase the game, and it was out of stock when he ordered it from Play. When he gets the legal copy he will just transfer his save file to it.

 

[Erana]

Its things like this that make me want everyone to go digital...
As long as you could download it through your account however many times you need, for the inevitable hardware failure.

Speaking of which, I haven't been able to find my game CD case in three months. I think someone might have stolen it...
And I got the spiffy 360 just so I could play original Xbox games...

 

[Archemetis]

I find it hard to believe that you've justified downloading it because you ordered it from Play.com and they tell you it's out of stock.
I don't beleve it for the simple reason that they don't charge you until it's dispatched.
And i know this because i check my online bank and my order status regularly whenh ordering from them. I've also never had any problems with them, except for the time i ordered soemthing and recieved headphones instead, although i did need some new headphones.

So unless the item eventually arrived after you downloaded it i don't see how you've actually payed for anything.

So, no even in this case, wrong.

Next time just get onto the distributor and ask what the deal is, if they are unlikely to devliver the goods, then simply move onto another company.

 

[gibboss28]

I think I'm just gonna sit on the fence for this one.

 

[jebussaves88]

I think it's justified. By downloading a copy, you have not harmed Bethesda any more than if your copy had turned up. I also feel it is justifiable for a game you currently don't have with you, but still legally own, or a game that has scratched, or a game on a console that you want on your PC for convenience. I think people need to stop being so high and mighty and black and white on these forums, as there are times when downloading something doesn't actually detract from the company who made its sales. If you can't think of any way that someone is losing out, then I think it's OK.
It's the same reason I download films I already own on DVD; I can then have them on my portable hard drive for easy viewing off my 360 or PC, rather than shifting through a pile of discs.

Bethesda hasn't lost anything through this; but Play.com have gained something. So screw it, download it, and maybe the disc will turn up.

 

[JediMB]

This reminds me of when I downloaded Doom 3 a couple of days before it was released. Twice, actually, since I had two torrents going and deleted the files from the wrong one.

Tried it for a bit, and then uninstalled it and picked up my preordered copy and a t-shirt when it came out.

A few weeks later I found out that I'd won a contest on a gaming website, so they'd sent me another copy of Doom 3 + a second t-shirt.

Much fun was had.

 

[Specter_]

Why not just cancel your order and buy it from someplace else?

This.

But I do think after paying for it, you are entitled to have a copy, even a pirated one.

To all those "you hurt Bethesda": he paid for it. Play.co.uk doesn't deliver. And as I understand it, he's still trying to get the real game (correct me if I'm wrong). So even if he pirated the game, cancels the shipment due to Play.co.uk being total retards he'll still get the real game by other means. In the end, he has the game, Bethesda has the money, Play.co.uk are retards and everyone is happy (except Play.co.uk of course)

 

[johnman]

Why not just cancel your order and buy it from someplace else?

This.

But I do think after paying for it, you are entitled to have a copy, even a pirated one.

To all those "you hurt Bethesda": he paid for it. Play.co.uk doesn't deliver. And as I understand it, he's still trying to get the real game (correct me if I'm wrong). So even if he pirated the game, cancels the shipment due to Play.co.uk being total retards he'll still get the real game by other means. In the end, he has the game, Bethesda has the money, Play.co.uk are retards and everyone is happy (except Play.co.uk of course)

Well if Play are happy being retards ( as many are) then everybody wins!

Also, there is no clear way of contacting play on their website, i ddint do a deep trawl but i could find no number or email address. Since i rarely use play i can never remember my account info and i dont have the confirmation email, all the other items i order at the same time arrived within 3 days. I dont feel entitled to the game as i now have copy. Im not so bothered about feeling entitle as i now have copy.

in that case its your own fault you've lost your money, if a retailer was as blase as you are with their account reference's they might forget to send out games to people who paid for them.

oh

I have around 6 online accoutns on various things. I use play about once a year and did you read the part where i mentioned that my email it was registered to was deleted?

 

[USSR]

Technically you paid for it, so you are an honest consumer.

 

[DigitalSushi]

Why not just cancel your order and buy it from someplace else?

This.

But I do think after paying for it, you are entitled to have a copy, even a pirated one.

To all those "you hurt Bethesda": he paid for it. Play.co.uk doesn't deliver. And as I understand it, he's still trying to get the real game (correct me if I'm wrong). So even if he pirated the game, cancels the shipment due to Play.co.uk being total retards he'll still get the real game by other means. In the end, he has the game, Bethesda has the money, Play.co.uk are retards and everyone is happy (except Play.co.uk of course)

You are right about Play being the retards, or lets say, in the wrong.

But you are wrong that bethesda has his money, Play has his money, the only reason they would have a shortage of a game lasting 2 months is that they aren't paying the pubs, devs or distributors.

I worked at EUK for a while, they distributed to Tesco et al, only people we didn't deliver to was HMV, when their was a shortage of Halo 2 disc's in stores you know what happened?, they made more, delivered more to the people who paid and everyone got hold of a copy, when HMV sold out of Halo 2 they asked EUK for 400,000 copies. They paid and it got delivered within 4 hours on a saturday, when the warehouses are shut.

Its physically impossible to have a shortage on Disc's, because they are copies, if the OP had bought a manufactured product like a Wii then yeah, shortages happen, but a copy of something on a disc?.

 

[Specter_]

Why not just cancel your order and buy it from someplace else?

This.

But I do think after paying for it, you are entitled to have a copy, even a pirated one.

To all those "you hurt Bethesda": he paid for it. Play.co.uk doesn't deliver. And as I understand it, he's still trying to get the real game (correct me if I'm wrong). So even if he pirated the game, cancels the shipment due to Play.co.uk being total retards he'll still get the real game by other means. In the end, he has the game, Bethesda has the money, Play.co.uk are retards and everyone is happy (except Play.co.uk of course)

You are right about Play being the retards, or lets say, in the wrong.

But you are wrong that bethesda has his money, Play has his money, the only reason they would have a shortage of a game lasting 2 months is that they aren't paying the pubs, devs or distributors.

You got me wrong there. Right now Bethesda doesn't have his money. But if he cancels his shipment with the retards and buys it somewhere else, they will.
My assumption is that despite him having the pirated version he will get the real deal, thus giving Bethesda the money.

 

[DigitalSushi]

Why not just cancel your order and buy it from someplace else?

This.

But I do think after paying for it, you are entitled to have a copy, even a pirated one.

To all those "you hurt Bethesda": he paid for it. Play.co.uk doesn't deliver. And as I understand it, he's still trying to get the real game (correct me if I'm wrong). So even if he pirated the game, cancels the shipment due to Play.co.uk being total retards he'll still get the real game by other means. In the end, he has the game, Bethesda has the money, Play.co.uk are retards and everyone is happy (except Play.co.uk of course)

You are right about Play being the retards, or lets say, in the wrong.

But you are wrong that bethesda has his money, Play has his money, the only reason they would have a shortage of a game lasting 2 months is that they aren't paying the pubs, devs or distributors.

You got me wrong there. Right now Bethesda doesn't have his money. But if he cancels his shipment with the retards and buys it somewhere else, they will.
My assumption is that despite him having the pirated version he will get the real deal, thus giving Bethesda the money.

in which case please accept my apology, sorry for picking on your statement!

Well I do hope he buys it from somewhere else, I hear it is a good game, i've not tried it myself, but once I have a PS3 i'm buying it with Far cry 2, I dont know why but I love Marty in it, I've only seen like 4 screen shots of it, but i've fallen in love with it and Marty.

My argument does still stand, paying a retailer that hasn't got a copy of something and can't get hold of it for 2 fucking months when everyone else can surely means that they aren't paying the devs! hence aren't getting anything delivered.