Pirate copy of Fallout 3

[Specter_]

Why not just cancel your order and buy it from someplace else?

This.

But I do think after paying for it, you are entitled to have a copy, even a pirated one.

To all those "you hurt Bethesda": he paid for it. Play.co.uk doesn't deliver. And as I understand it, he's still trying to get the real game (correct me if I'm wrong). So even if he pirated the game, cancels the shipment due to Play.co.uk being total retards he'll still get the real game by other means. In the end, he has the game, Bethesda has the money, Play.co.uk are retards and everyone is happy (except Play.co.uk of course)

You are right about Play being the retards, or lets say, in the wrong.

But you are wrong that bethesda has his money, Play has his money, the only reason they would have a shortage of a game lasting 2 months is that they aren't paying the pubs, devs or distributors.

You got me wrong there. Right now Bethesda doesn't have his money. But if he cancels his shipment with the retards and buys it somewhere else, they will.
My assumption is that despite him having the pirated version he will get the real deal, thus giving Bethesda the money.

in which case please accept my apology, sorry for picking on your statement!

Well I do hope he buys it from somewhere else, I hear it is a good game, i've not tried it myself, but once I have a PS3 i'm buying it with Far cry 2, I dont know why but I love Marty in it, I've only seen like 4 screen shots of it, but i've fallen in love with it and Marty.

My argument does still stand, paying a retailer that hasn't got a copy of something and can't get hold of it for 2 fucking months when everyone else can surely means that they aren't paying the devs! hence aren't getting anything delivered.

No offense taken, that's why I responded in such a civilized manner

I would have cancelled the shipment after the first month or so. I got my UK-special-edition Fallout3 three days after release and I live in germany... So something is definatly fishy about Play.co.uk

 

[geldonyetich]

Did play give you a registration code? Use that. Really, when you're buying a PC game these days, you're really just buying the rights to a registration code. It's the main reason why returns for PC games are rarely ever accepted: once you've got the registration code, you've pretty much got the game forever.

It's not that you're ever entitled to steal. The other day, I was regaled by the tale from the sister who knew a friend who felt it was okay for her to take a video camera from her employers because they weren't paying her nearly as much as they promised they would. She went to jail. Same principle: no, the law is not on your side to take what you feel entitled to.

However, if you're just downloading the software to match your registration code, it's not stealing. If you've bought the code, the developers and publishers would probably agree you've got the rights to the software. They shouldn't press charges - as long as you're using a bought-and-paid-for registration code, they got their money, they don't care what avenue of distribution you use. Heck, even play would probably appreciate you're using somebody else's bandwidth to get the game. There's nobody left to complain but you.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

About a week before Christmas i order a few items off Play.co.uk they all turned up with the exception of Fallout 3 as i was Temporaily out of stock. 2 months later and they are still out of stock so i simply downloaded a copy of the game, justified by the fact that i had paid for a copy therefore entitled to it. Then somone accuses me of piracy which is inexcusable under any circumstance.
What do you think? Am i being a industry killing pirate or honest consumer?

You didn't pirate it, it is your legal right to possess/download a digital copy of any media you have purchased.

In this case, downloading that game is no different than downloading a mod.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

ok im confusedat what peoples problems are...

hes paid, yes? so he deserves a copy, pirating the game is not hurting bethesda in any way, they still get the money for him paying for it.

if someone will explain your logic behind it hurting the devs i would like to no...all hes doing is making bethesda think theyre being pirated more and chinging the pirating stats abit.

i see no problem whatsoever and say you are perfectly fine with what u did...just dont go round telling people, they dont like it

I for one am glad you decided to post on here. This was what I was planning to say.

 

[Meatstorm]

i was so eager to get my hands on fallout 3 and couldn't wait the 3 days until it would come to europe so i downloaded American version and later bought actual copy of the game.

am i bad person?

 

[Zac_Dai]

You paid for a single copy, and when your copy arrives, you will have two copies.
Regardless of whether you paid for it or not, you paid for a disk, and you did not use that disk to get the usage of this game, it is piracy. The Fallout3 you are playing is not the one you paid for.

That makes no sense, you don't pay for the disk, you pay for the serial key. The disk is just the medium used for distribution. So as long as he owns a valid serial key he can pirate as many "copies" as he wants.

Unless you want to be lame like EA and have install limits, which is just as bad having a listening or watching limit on mp3s and DVDs.

To the OP you're intentions are good and as you wish to give the developers money who cares how you obtained a copy.

 

[Axolotl]

To the OP you're intentions are good and as you wish to give the developers money who cares how you obtained a copy.

The Publishers care, they don't know that he's bought a copy as well as pirated one. What he's done is added to piracy statistics, ultimately he's encouraged Bethesda to come up with some form of DRM.

 

[DigitalSushi]

You paid for a single copy, and when your copy arrives, you will have two copies.
Regardless of whether you paid for it or not, you paid for a disk, and you did not use that disk to get the usage of this game, it is piracy. The Fallout3 you are playing is not the one you paid for.

To the OP you're intentions are good and as you wish to give the developers money who cares how you obtained a copy.

so if I say to my girlfriend;
"i'm sorry I slept with your sister, but I was thinking of you the whole time since I intended to sleep with you I just didn't get round to it that night"

Its ok?, intention is way different than action.

 

[EnglishMuffin]

While piracy is wrong, Fallout 3 is a piece of shit...

So I'm torn.

 

[Specter_]

Unless you want to be lame like EA and have install limits, which is just as bad having a listening or watching limit on mp3s and DVDs.

But then you can't BUY a game with such a DRM, you just rent it.

 

[Zac_Dai]

The Publishers care, they don't know that he's bought a copy as well as pirated one. What he's done is added to piracy statistics, ultimately he's encouraged Bethesda to come up with some form of DRM.

Well boo hoo for the publishers, piracy statistics don't mean shit, even though I buy legit copies of games I still crack them for convenience like many other people do, but I'll get added as a piracy statistic for downloading cracks.

Anyway DRM is a waste of money for the publishers, I've never known a popular game that hasn't been cracked, it doesn't even delay the pirates as most cracked copies are available before the game is even released. Its not my fault or the OPs if they don't face the problem of piracy intelligently.

so if I say to my girlfriend;
"i'm sorry I slept with your sister, but I was thinking of you the whole time since I intended to sleep with you I just didn't get round to it that night"

Its ok?, intention is way different than action.

Yes because piracy is very much like fucking your girlfriends sister... he's paid them the money and if cancels his current order I have no doubt in my mind that he will buy a copy from somewhere else. He's not "intending" too.

But then you can't BUY a game with such a DRM, you just rent it.

Which is why I avoid games that do have install limits or if I buy them I crack them, I'm not paying full price for a rental.


When it comes down to it they are getting their money off the OP, he shouldn't be made to feel like some evil scum for being resourceful about obtaining an advanced copy of his game.

If half the escapist applied their moral crusading to more important world issues we would probably have a lot less threads about eugenics.

 

[Dark Crusader]

If he's paid for it, then he's not hurting Bethesda, how the hellis him giving money to them and then pirating the game hurting them, what do you expect him to do? Buy the game twice? It's like buying a book, then borrowing the same book from your friend while you wait, or borrowing it from your frind because your book turned up ripped in half(and un-readable), it's fully justified.
I'm sure that there's a loophole allowing you to, so long as you have actually bought it.

Also, I'd like to know where the hell these publishers pull their piracy statistics from. There's incredibly pirvate sites that refuse all access from govermental and publisher employees, so they can't be accurate(I suspect they beef the numbers up to include these, and probably end up over-exagerating).

 

[SenseOfTumour]

To me, provided you eventually get a copy, and don't just get a refund and spend it on something else, you're fine, morally if not legally.

Nowadays, you're more paying for the right to play the game than any physical disc or game case.

 

[Gladion]

Huh. There's no discussion to be made in this case. Downloading a game you already have bought is legal, what's the problem?

 

[itsnotyouitsme]

Actually there are laws on this stuff. Your ALLOWED to have it on your computer like you do so long as you own it as you are entitles to it. Unlike me who did it but never owned it in the first place hehehe.

 

[Ochatach]

I'm buying all games i like, I download games, use them as demos (for some experience if I like it or not).

If i don't like it, i delete it. And if i like it, i buy it.

All who uses no-cd cracks and such ain't bad people. Remember the scene encourages you to BUY the games if you like them, and it's according to law illegal to keep something you don't have legal rights to for longer then 72hours. Which justifies my downloads of releases as demos since i don't want the games to be limited when i try them since it'd change the game experience.

The game companies doesn't loose money for customers trying a full game as a demo, as long EVERYONE who likes the game buys it.
If more people uses the scenereleases as they're supposed to be used (as backups so you wont have to scratch/open original CD's/DVD's) the companies would earn more, and in the long term games would (hopefully) be cheaper.

By this post i ain't legalizing pirating of games, software, music whatever. So all I've said is just my honest opinion and no encouraging to download games from trackers.

 

[CyberAkuma]

What do you think? Am i being a industry killing pirate or honest consumer?

Sadly, according to the industry and the law - you are a pirate, even if you paid for the game in one form or another...
The same way goes sadly for the laws of music in some countries.
You are entitled to listen to the music from the CD, but you aren't allowed legally to copy the disc, make an MP3 of the music and put it in your MP3 player.

The fact that they're using DRM gives the owners of the games less and less rights to actually own the game, you're just renting the game (even if you payed full MSRB price for it) and you're only allowed to play the game if the distributer allows you to do it by checking your game activation everytime you run the game.

This is seriously some fucked up shit us consumers have to deal with.

But yeah, in my eyes you aren't a pirate but sadly, the publishers and the law will without any doubt classify and persectute you as a pirate

 

[Bachanomon92]

As long as you actually bought a copy its all good.