It would certainly be a different direction for Pixar to make a film that centered around people screaming drunken obscenities and pissing in doorways...MarsProbe said:Maybe they should remake it with a present day Scotland setting. Perhaps the centre of Glasgow in the early hours of a saturday morning, just after closing time...
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Well, if anyone can take such subject matter and make it into an enjoyable animated feature that provides just right balance of lighthearted antics for the kids with witty asides for the adults, then it's Pixar. Though not so much "Brave" as "So Blindingly Drunk as to Have Abandoned All Reason"...rob_simple said:It would certainly be a different direction for Pixar to make a film that centered around people screaming drunken obscenities and pissing in doorways...MarsProbe said:Maybe they should remake it with a present day Scotland setting. Perhaps the centre of Glasgow in the early hours of a saturday morning, just after closing time...
Or they could focus on the taxi drivers that work the 3am shift on a Saturday night and call it 'Really Fucking Brave'.MarsProbe said:Well, if anyone can take such subject matter and make it into an enjoyable animated feature that provides just right balance of lighthearted antics for the kids with witty asides for the adults, then it's Pixar. Though not so much "Brave" as "So Blindingly Drunk as to Have Abandoned All Reason"...rob_simple said:It would certainly be a different direction for Pixar to make a film that centered around people screaming drunken obscenities and pissing in doorways...MarsProbe said:Maybe they should remake it with a present day Scotland setting. Perhaps the centre of Glasgow in the early hours of a saturday morning, just after closing time...
XDrob_simple said:Or they could focus on the taxi drivers that work the 3am shift on a Saturday night and call it 'Really Fucking Brave'.MarsProbe said:Well, if anyone can take such subject matter and make it into an enjoyable animated feature that provides just right balance of lighthearted antics for the kids with witty asides for the adults, then it's Pixar. Though not so much "Brave" as "So Blindingly Drunk as to Have Abandoned All Reason"...rob_simple said:It would certainly be a different direction for Pixar to make a film that centered around people screaming drunken obscenities and pissing in doorways...MarsProbe said:Maybe they should remake it with a present day Scotland setting. Perhaps the centre of Glasgow in the early hours of a saturday morning, just after closing time...
I want a shot for shot remake of Taxi Driver done Pixar style now.
...Good God, you just made me laugh for a good couple minutes, sir.
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I actually found out about the Brenda Chapman thing after a little after I saw the movie. Actually, when I'd read about it, her name wasn't mentioned and the failure of the movie's change of pace and lackluster story were both said to be the fault of the change of directors, but I honestly was still worried about pixar.
But you do bring up a pretty good point. Maybe it was just that Chapman isn't a very good writer and they didn't have time to change much before the deadline.
The reason why I'm stilled worried about Pixar is that it's easy to fall into that trap where you start to think that color-by-numbers storylines are okay for your movies, since everyone else is doing it. Since Pixar is so well-respected, they can put out such a cliched movie, and most people will still give them good reviews.
When you put out a movie like this, it's really just adding to the already immeasurable pile of color-by-numbers movies. It's essentially making a movie just to release one so corporate will be satisfied. But I don't see movies just to see movies. I see them for effective experiences and good stories, so whenever pixar comes out with a movie, I'm sure to watch it as usually I can count on them to release something like that.
For pixar, Brave stood out in a bad way. It wasn't an honest attempt at something different that failed because it wasn't done well, but a very cliched and safe hollywood-style story that was completely out of character for them.
It's just that I don't want pixar to change into the sort of studio that puts out this sort of cliched movie all the time because they've become jaded. Too many other movie studios have become like this. It'd just be sad if pixar turned into that too.
Bad movies are fine. I can understand that not every movie can be amazing. Deliberately cliched movies aren't fine, though. Movies don't have to be cliche and predictable. This one was incredibly so, since this is a fill in the blanks storyline.
It's right up there with "I want to change my life, no I don't." (example: 17 again)
It's right up there with "I want to change my life, no I don't." (example: 17 again)
It changed, like, the head writer or director or something partway through production. Like the original title was "the bear and the bow", and I'm guessing the original plan was a much more interesting story, probably involving Mordu and the story of the clans in a larger role.
Also, in my heart, I kinda secretly blame the movie's mediocrity on the main plot revolving around women. Damn you, inner sexist!
Still, though. This movie has, hands down, the greatest fur texture in all of CG.
Also, in my heart, I kinda secretly blame the movie's mediocrity on the main plot revolving around women. Damn you, inner sexist!
Still, though. This movie has, hands down, the greatest fur texture in all of CG.
Surprisingly, I have to agree.
Brave just felt a bit... I can't believe I'm saying this... underwhelming.
The first half hour was pretty good. It helps establish the kinds of characters there are in the movie, and I liked the setting and feel the movie was giving off.
After that though, things seem to slowly go downhill.
Overall, to me, it was a pretty disappointing movie. Especially since stuff like Toy Story 3 came out not too long before this one.
Also, I have to ask, what's everyone's deal with Cars? I've actually watched the movie with my brother not too long ago. (Right after seeing Brave in fact) and I thought it was great. The sequel was merely okay though, I'll admit.
Brave just felt a bit... I can't believe I'm saying this... underwhelming.
The first half hour was pretty good. It helps establish the kinds of characters there are in the movie, and I liked the setting and feel the movie was giving off.
After that though, things seem to slowly go downhill.
At the point when Merida was going to "change her fate" I was sort of expecting her to enter a world where she did not exist. Perhaps an alternate reality in which bears took over the kingdom and all that.
All that happened though was that she turned her mom into a bear. That's it. That's the big obstacle our hero has to overcome. She has to go and figure out how to changer her mother back. What bugged me about this is that the trailers to the movie have been using the slogan: "If you had the chance to change your fate, would you?" That's not changing your fate movie, that's turning your mom into a fucking bear.
Also, forgive me if I sound ignorant here, but what exactly does the word "Brave" have to do with the movie? All I could see is that the movie used the word in it's closing monologue, something along the lines of... "you just have to be BRAVE enough to take that chance". Or something like that.
All that happened though was that she turned her mom into a bear. That's it. That's the big obstacle our hero has to overcome. She has to go and figure out how to changer her mother back. What bugged me about this is that the trailers to the movie have been using the slogan: "If you had the chance to change your fate, would you?" That's not changing your fate movie, that's turning your mom into a fucking bear.
Also, forgive me if I sound ignorant here, but what exactly does the word "Brave" have to do with the movie? All I could see is that the movie used the word in it's closing monologue, something along the lines of... "you just have to be BRAVE enough to take that chance". Or something like that.
Overall, to me, it was a pretty disappointing movie. Especially since stuff like Toy Story 3 came out not too long before this one.
Also, I have to ask, what's everyone's deal with Cars? I've actually watched the movie with my brother not too long ago. (Right after seeing Brave in fact) and I thought it was great. The sequel was merely okay though, I'll admit.
Hilarious. Pixar makes Up, Walle, and Toy Story 3, but everyone only focuses on Cars and says that they've been going on a decline in the last five years.
Yeah, Brave wasn't the bee's knees. The plot was extremely predictable and not too special. But given the boring premise, it was executed surprisingly well, along with the animation being very detailed.
Yeah, Brave wasn't the bee's knees. The plot was extremely predictable and not too special. But given the boring premise, it was executed surprisingly well, along with the animation being very detailed.
I thoroughly enjoyed Brave, I thought it was a genuinely fun movie. Sure It wasn't emotionally charged like Toy Story 3 or Up, but I still dug it. Also, even an average Pixar is still streets ahead of everyone else.
I found it to be thouroughly mediocre, but I'll tell you what the problem is right here. It's disney, not that they can't make good movies, but they are trying to regain that old "disney magic" in the wrong way. They think all they need to get that magic back is princesses. It's not, what was really magic about those movies was the music. music that entertained the kids, and that you wanted to sing along to. Music that told you everything you needed to know about the movie. If you watch the songs of a classic disney movie in chronological order, you get the same story as watching the movie. Brave: One lyrical song, so thickly accented I could understand one word in three, and it was only played 2 or 3 times throughout the entire movie.
Seriously, go back and watch lion king, tarzan, aladdin, beauty and the beast, hunchback of notre dame, or mulan. Look at how huge the music is, it tells the story. This is great because kids pay more attention to the music than the rest of the movie, keeping them invested and entertained through all the important parts, and the songs are so fun to sing they keep us coming back to the movies as adults.
Think about it, when you think of mulan you think of "make a man out of you" when you think of aladdin you think of "one jump" or "never had a friend like me" when you think of lion king you probably think of "hakuna mattata" Tarzan: "Son of man" Beauty and the beast, you probably think of the song where Belle grows affection for the beast(not one of my fav disney movies, or "gaston". Hunchback: You probably think of the song in the festival(another one of my least favorites" "hellfire" or "god help the outcasts", Pocahontas: "Colors of the wind", "1607" or "just around the river bend" Look at the successful knock offs of disney movies like "road to eldorado" or "cats don't dance" music as far as the eye can see. Road to eldorado: "the trail we blaze" or "It's tough to be a god". Cats don't dance: "big and loud" or "nothing's gonna stop us now". Music, and the way they used it flawlessly to make exposition dumps interesting and enhance the pace of the early and middle sections of the movies was what made disney magic. not the princesses.
Seriously, go back and watch lion king, tarzan, aladdin, beauty and the beast, hunchback of notre dame, or mulan. Look at how huge the music is, it tells the story. This is great because kids pay more attention to the music than the rest of the movie, keeping them invested and entertained through all the important parts, and the songs are so fun to sing they keep us coming back to the movies as adults.
Think about it, when you think of mulan you think of "make a man out of you" when you think of aladdin you think of "one jump" or "never had a friend like me" when you think of lion king you probably think of "hakuna mattata" Tarzan: "Son of man" Beauty and the beast, you probably think of the song where Belle grows affection for the beast(not one of my fav disney movies, or "gaston". Hunchback: You probably think of the song in the festival(another one of my least favorites" "hellfire" or "god help the outcasts", Pocahontas: "Colors of the wind", "1607" or "just around the river bend" Look at the successful knock offs of disney movies like "road to eldorado" or "cats don't dance" music as far as the eye can see. Road to eldorado: "the trail we blaze" or "It's tough to be a god". Cats don't dance: "big and loud" or "nothing's gonna stop us now". Music, and the way they used it flawlessly to make exposition dumps interesting and enhance the pace of the early and middle sections of the movies was what made disney magic. not the princesses.
The movie was the journey of her finding her true courage to face and change her destiny as opposed to running away from itscorptatious said:
I haven't seen Brave yet, but I still do have faith in Pixar. Their next film is a prequel to one of my favorite Pixar films, and the one after that is a movie about Dinosaurs that survived til modern day and can talk to humans (directed by the person who co-directed my two favorite Pixar movies, Monsters Inc. and Up). I think Pixar's future is alright, at least for a few more years.
I personally thought it was pretty good. Sure, it wasn't Up or WALL-E but on the other hand, it was far better then Cars or Finding Nemo.
And sure, it's not the most original thing they've ever done, but it's quite solid and works well regardless. Not to mention quite fun to watch and has a really good soundtrack.
And sure, it's not the most original thing they've ever done, but it's quite solid and works well regardless. Not to mention quite fun to watch and has a really good soundtrack.
The part about The Bear and The Bow is the weird part, though. It's more believable that Brenda was a bad writer and they didn't have enough time to make the movie better before the deadline, but if The Bear and The Bow was actually supposed to be a better storyline, then that's even worse for the image of the company, because they willingly crippled a good storyline into a boring storyline that everyone's seen a million times.DarkRyter said:
I think we agree on everything about this movie. The movie had nothing to do with the word Brave which confused me. The reference to the title-word 'Brave' was an afterthought, like someone thought "We should include the word brave somewhere, so the title makes sense".scorptatious said:
I mean, yeah, she did have to be courageous and fix the problem instead of running away from it, but that still doesn't give the title much significance, since she
was always the type to do that from the beginning. I'd see if she changed from a coward into someone with courage and bravery later by trials and soul-searching, but that never happened.
I did really like the first half of the movie. I liked the characters, the setting, and more.
Later, though, when she
found the witch, I thought she was going to "change her fate" in a way that would be meaningful with impact. Something like, she changes her fate, but her fate being changed changes everyone else's. There would be a war because of it and she'd have to fight the other clans and restore peace somehow. That's the sort of thing I'd expect from pixar.
And then her mom changed into a bear. I couldn't believe it. It was at that instant that I knew it'd just be another "wish, unwish" movie and seeing all of the cliched tropes of the wish/unwish storyline just bored me.
And then her mom changed into a bear. I couldn't believe it. It was at that instant that I knew it'd just be another "wish, unwish" movie and seeing all of the cliched tropes of the wish/unwish storyline just bored me.
I didn't even want to see it from the first trailer, it looked pretty much like the old Disney films of a princess character wanting to prove she's better and thus wants more out of life. It didn't look creative and it felt tiring and boring.
I mean sure, I enjoyed a lot of the old Disney films because to me it did not feel cliched back then, but now, it seems that tired story arc is being used everywhere.
I mean sure, I enjoyed a lot of the old Disney films because to me it did not feel cliched back then, but now, it seems that tired story arc is being used everywhere.
I thought the movie was alright. Not spectacular, but enjoyable.
Also, some people have pointed out that
but seem to forget that
Yeah, it still doesn't have a whole lot of impact, but makes slightly more sense when you think about it.
Also, some people have pointed out that
the whole "change my fate" turning Merida's mother into a bear doesn't seem very fate-changing or impactful, and makes little sense,
what Merida ACTUALLY asked for was something to change her mom, because she believed changing her mother's mind would change her fate.