.... What?Randy11517 said:
That is the stupidest comment I have heard all day.
OP: I think it's refreshing to get some actual factions in a game, instead of just "Russians" and "Americans"
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That is the stupidest comment I have heard all day.
OP: I think it's refreshing to get some actual factions in a game, instead of just "Russians" and "Americans"
It's because it's lately been twisted into that meaning by the major media outlets and something tells me you missed the point of mine.punkrocker27 said:
Was just about to edit my response but ninja'd. It really would grate with players after spending the entire game playing through single player, fighting a relatively realistic depiction of the Taliban, and then going to Multipayer and having play as "unspecified insurgents" It would be insulting to the players intelligence for them to just accept that the "insurgents" that they are playing as, possibly using the same skins and maps as the single player, in fact have nothing to do with the aforementioned singleplayer..duchaked said:
I just don't think we know enough ABOUT the Taliban in order for the game to be entirely accurate. I would think that before we try to represent them in fiction, we should first completely uncover the group and learn how it works from the inside-out. This just wouldn't feel even remotely historically accurate to me.
Unless they're just the name and skin of a team in multiplayer. Then never mind.
Unless they're just the name and skin of a team in multiplayer. Then never mind.
Why wouldnt you play a dice game, every game theyve made has been great, and they don't get the credit they deserve behind the masss waves of COD fanboyismRandy11517 said:
Well they could have taken the route when Sum of all Fears was made into the movie: change the muslim terrorists that were in the book into nazi terrorists. Which was an even weaker maneuver than the 'it's only a game' one.
Hopefully their PR people will have more moxy when the crap does hit the fan.
What is really worrying is this attitude of Liu's would seem to suggest he could care less about the game. In which case, why the hell is he involved in the first place?
Hopefully their PR people will have more moxy when the crap does hit the fan.
What is really worrying is this attitude of Liu's would seem to suggest he could care less about the game. In which case, why the hell is he involved in the first place?
Is it that you hope for a Taliban section of the campaign? Or are you just like me and would like to see historical conflicts from a different side's point of view? I'm sure I'm not the only one. It looked to me like you were assuming that a game such as that wouldn't fair too well in the U.S. because of that word, patriotism. How do you think my sister or her fiance, a member of the Cherokee nation, perceive patriotism when he has enlisted in the Army Special Forces and will probably be deployed to Afghanistan? I agree wholeheartedly, the term is tossed around too much.Loonerinoes said:
Hardly. In America's Army, each side is portrayed to the people playing them as though 'they' are the US and the opponents are the terrorists. So you only played the bad guys from the perspective of the other team. But you yourself never actually played the bad guys where your mission was to conduct strikes against the 'infidels'.Straying Bullet said:
Fair enough, but how about the large number of people in Afghanistan and Iraq who lost friends and families to US and coalition troops? It's perfectly alright for us to be allowed to play as their 'murderers' and glorify them as heroes while they mow down a seemingly endless stream of evil, faceless muslims and other generic opposition?albino boo said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sympathising for the Taliban, I'm not saying that families shouldn't be allowed to grieve for those they have lost (my sympathies go out to those who have suffered such tragic losses), what I am saying is that getting rightious and offended over such people appearing in a video game is pointless and a weak complaint at best.
Games like this aren't dishonouring the fallen, or mocking them and revelling in their demise. I can easily understand why some people would rather not play as the Taliban in a game (especially if it brings back painful memories), but if this is the case, then simply don't play the game, no-one is forcing you to and the people who do are not making personal attacks on you.
I meant to say...yes the second one. I would like to see an understandable outlook from the other side's point of view for a change rather than the typical chest pounding that comes with most 'real world conflict' games and which presents only the winners, who write the history and control the media outlets.punkrocker27 said:
I for one would be very interested to go into one of these games on the one hand as an American soldier, who enlisted after losing a family member in the WTC attack or maybe losing them due to an IED in Afghanistan or Iraq. For that matter, why not a British soldier who enrolls after the 2005 bombing within London or such too?
And then I would be very interested to go into the same of these games as a Taliban insurgent, who originally starts out as an islamic civilian, but loses family members due to yet another of the many undocumented 'collateral murder' events that must take place within these regions and go through a storyline fighting from that side of the view.
Both sides of the conflict have a great opportunity for a good story to be told and both sides could introduce radically different approaches to combat when it comes to gameplay too! (the American side is the search, patrol and fight back while trying to limit civilian casualties while the Taliban side is cause as much mayhem as possible, but the more mayhem you cause the more chance there is that you'll get slaughtered by the patrols or such).
But if people keep comparing the Taliban to some kinds of devils from the nine hells rather than actual people, who have their own reasons for doing the ugly things they do, then we'll never EVER see a game like that come out. I swear...it's like the whole "Sith can't be light sided!" arguments in SWTOR...only here it references actual people in this world that might not share your point of view. I for one would love to see their point of view rationalized properly for just once.
But please bear in mind, this does not mean that it has to be justified. Just because someone is blowing up people to drive a foreign occupation force from their country, doesn't change the fact that they're still a mass killer. Or MW2, as I understand it, had a moment of betrayal in it from coalition forces and who says betrayal doesn't run rampant within the Taliban, whenever one of their members might turn out to not be a 'true believer' anymore. A Taliban insurgent, who one day gets asked to sacrifice their family members for the good of the cause or a tourist, whom they personally don't feel should be included in this conflict - that too could be presented within the game's story and I'm sure it'd make a nice change of pace given what these games are usually about these days.
This being said, I doubt DICE will be the ones to provide this with their game. Still, hopefully it'll have other developers thinking about trying properly themselves later on after the whole controvesy rush wanes down.
Anyone here who has ever played a WW2 multiplayer game can honestly say that nazis are still very much alive and infesting the internet. Last week while deleting my plugin sprays folder for Source games, I saw dozens of pro-nazi and white nationalist sprays. Back in the day almost every two games of Day of Defeat, Battlefield: 1942, or Call of Duty I would log onto would involve multiple people who are there to "correct history." They would be almost entirely spamming the voice channels with David Duke, and Joseph Goebbels quotes and sharing their views on how communists, liberals, jews, beaners, ragheads and niggers need to be deported and that white christians need their own secluded shelter state.Andy Chalk said:
Much of that is due to the fact that the Nazis were crushed more than a half-century ago while stormtroopers, as envisioned by Lucas, were purely imaginary.
Interestingly enough, the Nazi's WERE stormtroopers. The S.S were called stormtroopers by certain very small groups.
I remember the terroroist level in call of Duty, and how you could skip the mission as it was said to be too explicit to cut down waves of innocents. I see people are still trying to get their name out there by any means necessary.
Does the multiplayer NEED factions? DO they NEED to stir shit up? My very close friend's bf is in the war right now. How would she feel if she walks into the room to see her sibling playing as a taliban killing soldiers?
It might just be a game, but feelings still get stirred
Interestingly enough, the Nazi's WERE stormtroopers. The S.S were called stormtroopers by certain very small groups.
I remember the terroroist level in call of Duty, and how you could skip the mission as it was said to be too explicit to cut down waves of innocents. I see people are still trying to get their name out there by any means necessary.
Does the multiplayer NEED factions? DO they NEED to stir shit up? My very close friend's bf is in the war right now. How would she feel if she walks into the room to see her sibling playing as a taliban killing soldiers?
It might just be a game, but feelings still get stirred
They're just trying to get attention. And believe me, they certainly will succeed. Personally, I don't know what to think about playing as the Taliban. On one hand, it is indeed a game, but on the other, we're fighting these guys right now. Our people are dying at their hands right now. What EA's doing is a little low.