Playable Taliban Won't "Push Too Hard" in Medal of Honor

[Grigori361]

Sounds good. Not that I'd ever buy the game, but it certainly sounds like developers are becoming more mature. (As opposed to Infinity Ward screaming and jumping up and down, yelling, "Look at us! We're going to let you kill Russian civilians. Please, broadcast the controversy as quickly as you can!"

Last thing i would call DICE is more mature, I'm waiting for them to rip of MW2 again to promote MoH(not that it doesn't deserve it) but DICE/EA just pisses me off sometimes.

Oh boo-hoo, where do you think CoD came from in the first place?

OT: You're just shooting the other team whilst dressed as someone from the Middle East. It's a character skin on polygons. They're not including the tasks of setting up roadside bombs and capturing hostages to send video messages to the government.

If they did I would buy the game

 

[Canid117]

While normally I would agree that the "It's just a game" argument would be a weak one remember that he is only talking about the multiplayer which does make the argument much more valid. If the designers of the single player on the other hand had a mission where you play as the Taliban where you behead an American soldier then curb stomp a couple of kittens and their defense was "It's just a game" then I would say "I'm not offended by the fact that the Taliban exist in your game but I am offended that you seemingly cant come up with a good narrative reason to play as them."

 

[Omnific One]

Here comes the inevitable Fox reply...

 

[BlueHighwind]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

 

[Woodsey]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

 

[cainx10a]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

I am someone who will probably break another man's head over praising Fallujah both the conflict and the game.

On the other hand, the terrorists in C&C: Generals and the other sides involved (US/China) were pretty much caricatures, they were so evil (or patriotic, or nationalistic) that it was funny.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

I cant see a difference to battlefield vietnam

 

[The Rockerfly]

Finally a different force to kill rather then Nazi's, Taliban or Russians, how the fuck have we created such repition in war. I also think it's silly people are getting offended by this

Yes people are fighting in the war

Yes friends and family have been killed

No matter who you fight as, war is grim, horrific and nasty.

Does that mean I should only shoot Nazi's and Russians? No it does not, people have died for previous wars it's not disrespectful or anything along those line. This is a gritty realistic war, it'll show the fighting from their side in a realistic way, it is not mocking anyone and it is not going to be offensive. I doubt I will pay for this though, possibly rent this but if they try and ride the same shock wave that MW1 had then I believe this game will use that to get sales and not of the quality of the gunplay

Still the reaction from the media will be fun to watch

 

[Woodsey]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

I am someone who will probably break someone head over praising Fallujah both the conflict and the game, but the terrorists in Generals, hell, even the other sides (US/China) were pretty much caricatures, they were so evil (or patriotic, or nationalistic) that it was funny.

No one's praising the conflict; the point of the game was to allow the soldiers to share their side of things, and give people the chance to experience an impression of what it was like. Hence, the creation of the game.

Also, you need to write properly because it's pretty hard to understand what you're saying.

 

[Nurb]

It's simple marketing... make controversy, get publicity, make money.

We're doing exactly as they intended.

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE AND BUY OUR GAME, PUPPETS!"

 

[Knight Templar]

They are not chickening out in naming the enemy like most other shooters of that type, so I can respect them sticking to the name.

 

[InGrindWeTrust]

Sure, it might upset people, but the MoH franchise has had us potentially playing multiplayer as Nazis and the like for years (longer than WW2 itself) and no-one's wrote in to coplain that it offended their Grannies to witness such a thing. If people want to play, let them. If people find it offensive, they shouldn't play. Pretty simple really. After all, it is just a skin, making it a purely aesthetic difference. I say we bring back the days of the first 2 MoH games and have us playing as Winston Churchill, the Panzernacker, one of those German dogs kitted out with an smg, or (for some reason) a velociraptor. That never upset anyone now, did it?

 

[cainx10a]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

I am someone who will probably break another man's head over praising Fallujah both the conflict and the game.

On the other hand, the terrorists in C&C: Generals and the other sides involved (US/China) were pretty much caricatures, they were so evil (or patriotic, or nationalistic) that it was funny.

No one's praising the conflict; the point of the game was to allow the soldiers to share their side of things, and give people the chance to experience an impression of what it was like. Hence, the creation of the game.

Also, you need to write properly because it's pretty hard to understand what you're saying.

I was actually referring to past arguments about the Fallujah game which have occurred quite a lot on the Escapist. But if we really need to get into it, the game would have had a 1 sided Point of View, not to mention, there have been shitload of reports about war crimes occurring in the fallujah conflict that would have been omitted. Not to mention, that the events leading to the second fallujah invasion itself was not pleasant.

And about your little advice, did the little change I made render my post more readable, master?

 

[Woodsey]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

I am someone who will probably break another man's head over praising Fallujah both the conflict and the game.

On the other hand, the terrorists in C&C: Generals and the other sides involved (US/China) were pretty much caricatures, they were so evil (or patriotic, or nationalistic) that it was funny.

No one's praising the conflict; the point of the game was to allow the soldiers to share their side of things, and give people the chance to experience an impression of what it was like. Hence, the creation of the game.

Also, you need to write properly because it's pretty hard to understand what you're saying.

I was actually referring to past arguments about the Fallujah game which have acquired quite a lot on the Escapist.

And about your little advice, did the little change I made render my post more readable, master?

I might actually think your sarcasm was funny if I'd gone back to your post (like I did just now) and it was fully coherent (which it isn't). I didn't even see anything changed. Would you like me to correct it for you, or can you manage it all by yourself?

 

[open trap]

I think a campaign as the Taliban would be interesting, setting ambushes, mortering bases, defending mtn strong holds, its different atleast

 

[cainx10a]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

I am someone who will probably break another man's head over praising Fallujah both the conflict and the game.

On the other hand, the terrorists in C&C: Generals and the other sides involved (US/China) were pretty much caricatures, they were so evil (or patriotic, or nationalistic) that it was funny.

No one's praising the conflict; the point of the game was to allow the soldiers to share their side of things, and give people the chance to experience an impression of what it was like. Hence, the creation of the game.

Also, you need to write properly because it's pretty hard to understand what you're saying.

I was actually referring to past arguments about the Fallujah game which have occurred quite a lot on the Escapist.

And about your little advice, did the little change I made render my post more readable, master?

I might actually think your sarcasm was funny if I'd gone back to your post (like I did just now) and it was fully coherent (which it isn't). I didn't even see anything changed. Would you like me to correct it for you, or can you manage it all by yourself?

I have broken it down in two sentences. Now I get the feeling you just are not bothering to read it, or you are just being a troll.

edit: I made the change in your last post where you quoted me, however I noticed that the section seems to be 'greyed' out. I will edit my old post instead.

 

[Breaker deGodot]

Oh great, another developer too afraid to put it's toe into the waters of controversy. Actually, I guess that's being unfair. They're just trying to stay away from the sort of shit "No Russian" stirred up last year.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Why does every game feels that it needs to be controversial? Or, to be more precise, why does every game feels that it needs to be Modern Warfare? Has our creativity been depleted? I hope this is just a thing that game industry has to go through in order to reach adulthood (as Yahtzee said, it recently hit puberty).

 

[BlueHighwind]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

That's what I meant. The Generals faction was a fictional organization for a reason - they didn't want to offend anybody by using the real Al Qaeada or Taliban. It isn't MUCH better, but it is. The game was more or less a ridiculous parody too, it never once tried to take itself seriously. You can't really get angry at a game where the Chinese blow up the Three Gorges Dam just for laughs.

Also, I wasn't talking about the soldiers when I said that people would be offended. Remember a certain event in NYC and the Pentagon back nine years ago?

Is there any particular GOOD reason to have a playable Taliban character? This game isn't making any kind of political statement or trying to make people understand the conflict, they're just a bunch of stupid developers who thought "man, wouldn't being a Taliban fighter be cool?" If this game was attempting realism there would be a mission where you throw acid in the face of schoolgirls (which really does happen).

I never did understand the appeal in a video game of playing as an evil person doing awful things. Don't you want to simulate STOPPING these people? Hearing about what the Taliban has done is enough to make you want to volunteer for military service to punish them for their crimes. Is doing the opposite supposed to be fun?

 

[Woodsey]

"Its just a game". Yeah, it is. But don't be surprised when people are protesting what is "just a game". Being "just a game" doesn't mean that it cannot be massively insulting and insensitive to the victims worldwide of this horrible evil organization. I thought playing as the Terrorists in Command and Command Generals was bad... this is worse.

It's being developed with the aid of soldiers.

This is why I never bought into the protests against 6 Days in Fallujah; the soldiers played a very large part in the game's development. In fact, if I'm not mistaken weren't the soldiers the ones to approach the devs? I can't remember now.

Either way, there are books written on the subject, and there are films on the subject. The only time you play as the Taliban is in the multiplayer. It doesn't promote terrorism, or support of the Taliban, etc. etc.

Oh, and wasn't the terrorist group in C&C: Generals fictional? You just sound hyper-sensitive.

That's what I meant. The Generals faction was a fictional organization for a reason - they didn't want to offend anybody by using the real Al Qaeada or Taliban. It isn't MUCH better, but it is. The game was more or less a ridiculous parody too, it never once tried to take itself seriously. You can't really get angry at a game where the Chinese blow up the Three Gorges Dam just for laughs.

Also, I wasn't talking about the soldiers when I said that people would be offended. Remember a certain event in NYC and the Pentagon back nine years ago?

Is there any particular GOOD reason to have a playable Taliban character? This game isn't making any kind of political statement or trying to make people understand the conflict, they're just a bunch of stupid developers who thought "man, wouldn't being a Taliban fighter be cool?" If this game was attempting realism there would be a mission where you throw acid in the face of schoolgirls (which really does happen).

I never did understand the appeal in a video game of playing as an evil person doing awful things. Don't you want to simulate STOPPING these people? Hearing about what the Taliban has done is enough to make you want to volunteer for military service to punish them for their crimes. Is doing the opposite supposed to be fun?

Right, I'll take it you didn't know that the Taliban was only playable in multiplayer then.