Please don't reboot the DC Movies....anything but that.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I've been asking for a reboot. And I don't think a reboot could possibly be any worse that what they are currently spewing out.

It can. It really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman_(film)], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%26_Robin_(film)], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_in_film#The_Fantastic_Four_.281994.29] can [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_IV:_The_Quest_for_Peace].
Really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(film)].

And yes, I found all of those (except for Fantastic Four) to be more entertaining than MoS.

But, I still think DC's sitting on a really cool "soft reboot" that they COULD use. If they had any vision or talent at all that is.

Crisis. It's a no-doubt money grabber (even if it's terrible) and it reboots the DCEU in such a way that you can cherry-pick what may be good from several different sources of DC stories and can the rest. Crisis on Infinite Earths. The terrible Snyderverse's heroes get a visit from Pariah who foretells of the death of their universe. Heroes from the multiverse then team up to fight for the survival of their own or all universes. Nolan fans get Batman from the Nolan batman movies, heroes from DC's tv shows show up, Brandon Routh, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Michael Keaton, and Adam freaking WEST... could all take part.

And in the end; you wipe out the Snyder continuity, create a new DC movie verse, save the DC tv shows (and create some new directions they can go with fallout from the Crisis event) and make a TON of money. And if there are any positives from the Snyder movies... well no reason you couldn't have them survive the event.

Let Snyderverse be.

I want DC movies to look like his Watchmen movies because Watchmen is the greatest Superhero movie I have ever seen and how it portrays its Superhero is so much more facscinating.

I want Batman to act more like Rorschach.

I want Superman to act more like Dr Manhatten.

And I am being sincere here.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I'll be honest I never though X-Men Origins Wolverine was that bad of a movie?

I mean watching it I never felt I was watching an AWFUL movie.

Like other than the Deadpool issue what was wrong with that movie?

Surprisingly shitty special effects, the amnesia bullet, the pointless romance plot that was secretly a set-up but not really all along except she mind-controls people out of nowhere and Emma Frost is her sister(?), and the fact that the people making the movie apparently have no idea what the 70s looked like and what kind of technology was available. I mean, the film's set around the Three Mile Island reactor incident, but Stryker has a high-definition live wireless camera feed coming from Deadpool's eyeballs. This is before they had mobile phones.

And then when he wants Deadpool to kill someone, he just types - okay, okay. It's mostly Deadpool. Deadpool is mostly the reason that movie sucked. But it really, really sucked. It damn well nearly killed the X-Men franchise. I think that movie is one of the worst superhero films of all time, and I will defend this opinion to the death.

(they have adamantium bullets to kill their adamantium supersoldier that they just made and they don't give them to the mutant henchman whose power is super-aim I mean COME ON)

And yes, I found all of those (except for Fantastic Four) to be more entertaining than MoS.

As far as I'm concerned even Man of Steel - which had an idiotic plot and some really depressing implications about collateral damage - wasn't at all a bad film. It was a bad Superman film, because it completely failed to make Superman into the icon of hope the character is generally supposed to be, but it wasn't a bad film overall.

Michael Shannon's performance, in particular, completely sold me on the movie. And even if he'd been replaced with a crash test dummy, the fight scenes were still amazing. I remember sitting in the cinema going "Eh" at the big floaty spaceship laser and the weird metal tentacle monster, and then Zod punches Superman into space and throws a satellite at him, and I was like "I APPROVE"

Also, it had an amazing soundtrack.

I want Batman to act more like Rorschach.

I want Superman to act more like Dr Manhatten.

And I am being sincere here.

I feel that doing either of those would only devalue both sets of characters. Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach are powerful characters because they exemplify the alienation and psychosis, respectively, that being a superhero causes. Rorschach can't interact with the depths of human evil and remain sane; Manhattan can't see people as a collection of carbon atoms and still consider them human.

I'm fine with a Superman who feels a little distant from humanity and a Batman who is genuinely mentally ill. By all means; deconstruct the characters. Show us why they'd have trouble with living a normal life or even staying sane beneath their tremendous, self-imposed burden. But going too far with it - turning Superman into a dispassionate, apathetic god and Batman into a Randian objectivist with serious identity issues - would just kinda suck. They don't need to do that. Watchmen did that. I want them to do something more interesting than ape Watchmen.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Double post, please delete.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'll be honest I never though X-Men Origins Wolverine was that bad of a movie?

I mean watching it I never felt I was watching an AWFUL movie.

Like other than the Deadpool issue what was wrong with that movie?

Surprisingly shitty special effects, the amnesia bullet, the pointless romance plot that was secretly a set-up but not really all along except she mind-controls people out of nowhere and Emma Frost is her sister(?), and the fact that the people making the movie apparently have no idea what the 70s looked like and what kind of technology was available. I mean, the film's set around the Three Mile Island reactor incident, but Stryker has a high-definition live wireless camera feed coming from Deadpool's eyeballs. This is before they had mobile phones.

And then when he wants Deadpool to kill someone, he just types - okay, okay. It's mostly Deadpool. Deadpool is mostly the reason that movie sucked. But it really, really sucked. It damn well nearly killed the X-Men franchise. I think that movie is one of the worst superhero films of all time, and I will defend this opinion to the death.

(they have adamantium bullets to kill their adamantium supersoldier that they just made and they don't give them to the mutant henchman whose power is super-aim I mean COME ON)

And yes, I found all of those (except for Fantastic Four) to be more entertaining than MoS.

As far as I'm concerned even Man of Steel - which had an idiotic plot and some really depressing implications about collateral damage - wasn't at all a bad film. It was a bad Superman film, because it completely failed to make Superman into the icon of hope the character is generally supposed to be, but it wasn't a bad film overall.

Michael Shannon's performance, in particular, completely sold me on the movie. And even if he'd been replaced with a crash test dummy, the fight scenes were still amazing. I remember sitting in the cinema going "Eh" at the big floaty spaceship laser and the weird metal tentacle monster, and then Zod punches Superman into space and throws a satellite at him, and I was like "I APPROVE"

Also, it had an amazing soundtrack.

I want Batman to act more like Rorschach.

I want Superman to act more like Dr Manhatten.

And I am being sincere here.

I feel that doing either of those would only devalue both sets of characters. Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach are powerful characters because they exemplify the alienation and psychosis, respectively, that being a superhero causes. Rorschach can't interact with the depths of human evil and remain sane; Manhattan can't see people as a collection of carbon atoms and still consider them human.

I'm fine with a Superman who feels a little distant from humanity and a Batman who is genuinely mentally ill. By all means; deconstruct the characters. Show us why they'd have trouble with living a normal life or even staying sane beneath their tremendous, self-imposed burden. But going too far with it - turning Superman into a dispassionate, apathetic god and Batman into a Randian objectivist with serious identity issues - would just kinda suck. They don't need to do that. Watchmen did that. I want them to do something more interesting than ape Watchmen.

Well at least you can't deny the opening part of the movie was the best part of the whole movie:

 

[King Billi]

I've been asking for a reboot. And I don't think a reboot could possibly be any worse that what they are currently spewing out.

It can. It really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman_(film)], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%26_Robin_(film)], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_in_film#The_Fantastic_Four_.281994.29] can [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_IV:_The_Quest_for_Peace].
Really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(film)].

And yes, I found all of those (except for Fantastic Four) to be more entertaining than MoS.

But, I still think DC's sitting on a really cool "soft reboot" that they COULD use. If they had any vision or talent at all that is.

Crisis. It's a no-doubt money grabber (even if it's terrible) and it reboots the DCEU in such a way that you can cherry-pick what may be good from several different sources of DC stories and can the rest. Crisis on Infinite Earths. The terrible Snyderverse's heroes get a visit from Pariah who foretells of the death of their universe. Heroes from the multiverse then team up to fight for the survival of their own or all universes. Nolan fans get Batman from the Nolan batman movies, heroes from DC's tv shows show up, Brandon Routh, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Michael Keaton, and Adam freaking WEST... could all take part.

And in the end; you wipe out the Snyder continuity, create a new DC movie verse, save the DC tv shows (and create some new directions they can go with fallout from the Crisis event) and make a TON of money. And if there are any positives from the Snyder movies... well no reason you couldn't have them survive the event.

Sounds like a mixed message to me.

Heres we have a gathering of dozens of different interpretations of DC characters from a multitude of different media sources, television and film. Showcasing the sheer adaptability of the source material and its ability to change to suit any time period and audience...

Oh! Except for those guys in the Snyderverse. They just suck and must be wiped out immediately.

 

[SweetShark]

Ok, because I already said a lot of bad things about BvS, I think I will post something positive:
*Spoilers Obviously in the video below*


But what about the DC Cinenatic Universe in general?
I don't want to change either. Even if I said the DC movies have a lot of problems, the potential for greatness is still here.
Heck, even the Marvel Cinematic Universe have its own problems. I won't act Marvel are perfect. But they are close.

 

[SweetShark]

Let's be honest here. Comic book movies will die. Some are getting fed up of them. Those some will become many and then the majority. It's all just a matter of when.

Marvel movies say otherwise.
Each time I see a new Marvel movie, it is feel with uniqueness, a remagination of a well-known hero at the very best.

 

[SweetShark]

I disagree. We need more reboots you hear me?! MOAR!

Look what happened with Batman. Nolan eventually made a decent version of it. So that's 3 good Batman movies out of like 8 or 9 that have been made. If they keep doing reboots every 3 years, we should get another good Batman movie by 2030

But then we will not see a Ben Affleck version of Batman.
And I WANT to see one!

 

[Hawki]

Let's be honest here. Comic book movies will die. Some are getting fed up of them. Those some will become many and then the majority. It's all just a matter of when.

Marvel movies say otherwise.
Each time I see a new Marvel movie, it is feel with uniqueness, a remagination of a well-known hero at the very best.

Funny. I feel a sense of monotony. For example:

"A bunch of unlikely heroes come together to work as a team, but can't do so effectively at first due to personal issues. Their foe is an enemy who wants to destroy/conquer the world because...reasons. The heroes have access to an airship. One of the heroes has a personal connection with the main villain. A McGuffin plays a huge role in the film, being very small in size, and is an object of interest to the main villain, because his plan of "destroy stuff because I'm evil" hinges on it. The heroes come together after a pep talk. The climax takes place in a city with a lot of destruction and explosions, as enemy forces invade FROM SPAACE! where local defence forces play a role, but the focus remains on the heroes. The villain is defeated in comedic fashion and the heroes are formalized as an official unit of sorts, having worked out their differences."

Did I describe The Avengers, or Guardians of the Galaxy?

 

[circularlogic88]

Let's be honest here. Comic book movies will die. Some are getting fed up of them. Those some will become many and then the majority. It's all just a matter of when.

Marvel movies say otherwise.
Each time I see a new Marvel movie, it is feel with uniqueness, a remagination of a well-known hero at the very best.

Funny. I feel a sense of monotony. For example:

"A bunch of unlikely heroes come together to work as a team, but can't do so effectively at first due to personal issues. Their foe is an enemy who wants to destroy/conquer the world because...reasons. The heroes have access to an airship. One of the heroes has a personal connection with the main villain. A McGuffin plays a huge role in the film, being very small in size, and is an object of interest to the main villain, because his plan of "destroy stuff because I'm evil" hinges on it. The heroes come together after a pep talk. The climax takes place in a city with a lot of destruction and explosions, as enemy forces invade FROM SPAACE! where local defence forces play a role, but the focus remains on the heroes. The villain is defeated in comedic fashion and the heroes are formalized as an official unit of sorts, having worked out their differences."

Did I describe The Avengers, or Guardians of the Galaxy?

Since you said airship: Avengers

 

[Hawki]

Let's be honest here. Comic book movies will die. Some are getting fed up of them. Those some will become many and then the majority. It's all just a matter of when.

Marvel movies say otherwise.
Each time I see a new Marvel movie, it is feel with uniqueness, a remagination of a well-known hero at the very best.

Funny. I feel a sense of monotony. For example:

"A bunch of unlikely heroes come together to work as a team, but can't do so effectively at first due to personal issues. Their foe is an enemy who wants to destroy/conquer the world because...reasons. The heroes have access to an airship. One of the heroes has a personal connection with the main villain. A McGuffin plays a huge role in the film, being very small in size, and is an object of interest to the main villain, because his plan of "destroy stuff because I'm evil" hinges on it. The heroes come together after a pep talk. The climax takes place in a city with a lot of destruction and explosions, as enemy forces invade FROM SPAACE! where local defence forces play a role, but the focus remains on the heroes. The villain is defeated in comedic fashion and the heroes are formalized as an official unit of sorts, having worked out their differences."

Did I describe The Avengers, or Guardians of the Galaxy?

Since you said airship: Avengers

Y'know, I SHOULD be saying something along the lines of "now that's just nitpicking" or "you're missing the point!" or "damn it, I should have used a term like "flying vehicle" but...touche.

Well played.

 

[SweetShark]

Let's be honest here. Comic book movies will die. Some are getting fed up of them. Those some will become many and then the majority. It's all just a matter of when.

Marvel movies say otherwise.
Each time I see a new Marvel movie, it is feel with uniqueness, a remagination of a well-known hero at the very best.

Funny. I feel a sense of monotony. For example:

"A bunch of unlikely heroes come together to work as a team, but can't do so effectively at first due to personal issues. Their foe is an enemy who wants to destroy/conquer the world because...reasons. The heroes have access to an airship. One of the heroes has a personal connection with the main villain. A McGuffin plays a huge role in the film, being very small in size, and is an object of interest to the main villain, because his plan of "destroy stuff because I'm evil" hinges on it. The heroes come together after a pep talk. The climax takes place in a city with a lot of destruction and explosions, as enemy forces invade FROM SPAACE! where local defence forces play a role, but the focus remains on the heroes. The villain is defeated in comedic fashion and the heroes are formalized as an official unit of sorts, having worked out their differences."

Did I describe The Avengers, or Guardians of the Galaxy?

I was talking about mostly how they translate a power of a hero/villain to the big screen.
Seeing for example Dr Strange new trailer, even if I NEVER read a comic with him, I want now kust for the visuals and the unique waynto present it to us.

 

[SweetShark]

Sorry, double post. Using a cellphone is a real b*tch.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

DC are going ahead with at least two more films which is pretty impressive considering what they're built on... So I don't think you have anything to worry about for the time being.

In any case what does it matter? If DC fails there's always Marvel, they've got around ten thousand films out there at the moment and even a few of them are decent...

Don't like their style? Then turn on your television and watch one of the dozen or so shows on there.

Really the only people I pity are those who are sick of or outright hate superheros altogether cause there's litrally nowhere for them to escape it.

Well I do have my other option, its called Comic Books themselves, and I want to read Final Crisis, Flashpoint, and New 52 Justice League.

If you don't read a lot of comics do yourself a favor and don't start with Final Crisis. Morrison is great, but unless you are extremely familiar with most of DC's characters and universe a lot of the story will be lost on you. Plus the plot is incredibly convoluted and confusing. Some people love the book but many do not like it at all. It's one of the most divisive DC stories ever. Morrison's run on Batman is great though.

OT: I don't want a reboot I just want them to start making good movies. I love DC and its characters but I refuse to give WB any more of my money until they start making well written, edited, and acted movies. If they put out a movie that accurately portrays my favorite characters and has a coherent plot with good writing I will go to every one at least once. I want to give them my money but at this point they've made it hard to support them.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

DC are going ahead with at least two more films which is pretty impressive considering what they're built on... So I don't think you have anything to worry about for the time being.

In any case what does it matter? If DC fails there's always Marvel, they've got around ten thousand films out there at the moment and even a few of them are decent...

Don't like their style? Then turn on your television and watch one of the dozen or so shows on there.

Really the only people I pity are those who are sick of or outright hate superheros altogether cause there's litrally nowhere for them to escape it.

Well I do have my other option, its called Comic Books themselves, and I want to read Final Crisis, Flashpoint, and New 52 Justice League.

If you don't read a lot of comics do yourself a favor and don't start with Final Crisis. Morrison is great, but unless you are extremely familiar with most of DC's characters and universe a lot of the story will be lost on you. Plus the plot is incredibly convoluted and confusing. Some people love the book but many do not like it at all. It's one of the most divisive DC stories ever. Morrison's run on Batman is great though.

OT: I don't want a reboot I just want them to start making good movies. I love DC and its characters but I refuse to give WB any more of my money until they start making well written, edited, and acted movies. If they put out a movie that accurately portrays my favorite characters and has a coherent plot with good writing I will go to every one at least once. I want to give them my money but at this point they've made it hard to support them.

That is why I am starting with Infinite Crisis than 52 than Final Crisis.

 

[Kyrian007]

I've been asking for a reboot. And I don't think a reboot could possibly be any worse that what they are currently spewing out.

It can. It really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman_(film)], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%26_Robin_(film)], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine], really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_in_film#The_Fantastic_Four_.281994.29] can [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_IV:_The_Quest_for_Peace].
Really [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(film)].

And yes, I found all of those (except for Fantastic Four) to be more entertaining than MoS.

But, I still think DC's sitting on a really cool "soft reboot" that they COULD use. If they had any vision or talent at all that is.

Crisis. It's a no-doubt money grabber (even if it's terrible) and it reboots the DCEU in such a way that you can cherry-pick what may be good from several different sources of DC stories and can the rest. Crisis on Infinite Earths. The terrible Snyderverse's heroes get a visit from Pariah who foretells of the death of their universe. Heroes from the multiverse then team up to fight for the survival of their own or all universes. Nolan fans get Batman from the Nolan batman movies, heroes from DC's tv shows show up, Brandon Routh, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Michael Keaton, and Adam freaking WEST... could all take part.

And in the end; you wipe out the Snyder continuity, create a new DC movie verse, save the DC tv shows (and create some new directions they can go with fallout from the Crisis event) and make a TON of money. And if there are any positives from the Snyder movies... well no reason you couldn't have them survive the event.

Sounds like a mixed message to me.

Heres we have a gathering of dozens of different interpretations of DC characters from a multitude of different media sources, television and film. Showcasing the sheer adaptability of the source material and its ability to change to suit any time period and audience...

Oh! Except for those guys in the Snyderverse. They just suck and must be wiped out immediately.

Nothing mixed about it, just pruning the deadest and crappiest limbs. If it makes you feel any better it could be used to also kill off already dead and terrible DC versions. Bring in Shaq and destroy the Steel universe. Make a show of showing overly CGI Green Lanterns failing to save a universe. Draw a dark shadow over Josh Brolin riding a horse just before that earth blows up... it isn't just Snyder, it's just Snyder and his terrible movies that they haven't had the good sense to distance themselves from already.

 

[rosac]

they don't need to reboot, they need to hire writers who actually understand what pacing is and how to engage an audience and sack everyone who "edited" the films. The acting is generally decent, and I think a gritty tone could work, even for supes but fuck me it only works if the plot is good and makes sense and the editing doesn't cause the films pacing to go everywhere.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

DC are going ahead with at least two more films which is pretty impressive considering what they're built on... So I don't think you have anything to worry about for the time being.

In any case what does it matter? If DC fails there's always Marvel, they've got around ten thousand films out there at the moment and even a few of them are decent...

Don't like their style? Then turn on your television and watch one of the dozen or so shows on there.

Really the only people I pity are those who are sick of or outright hate superheros altogether cause there's litrally nowhere for them to escape it.

Well I do have my other option, its called Comic Books themselves, and I want to read Final Crisis, Flashpoint, and New 52 Justice League.

If you don't read a lot of comics do yourself a favor and don't start with Final Crisis. Morrison is great, but unless you are extremely familiar with most of DC's characters and universe a lot of the story will be lost on you. Plus the plot is incredibly convoluted and confusing. Some people love the book but many do not like it at all. It's one of the most divisive DC stories ever. Morrison's run on Batman is great though.

OT: I don't want a reboot I just want them to start making good movies. I love DC and its characters but I refuse to give WB any more of my money until they start making well written, edited, and acted movies. If they put out a movie that accurately portrays my favorite characters and has a coherent plot with good writing I will go to every one at least once. I want to give them my money but at this point they've made it hard to support them.

That is why I am starting with Infinite Crisis than 52 than Final Crisis.

Sure, but reading the New 52 isn't going to give you any additional insight into the pre-Flashpoint comics that feed into Final Crisis. It's up to you I'm just saying you might be better off spending your time and money on other novels.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

DC are going ahead with at least two more films which is pretty impressive considering what they're built on... So I don't think you have anything to worry about for the time being.

In any case what does it matter? If DC fails there's always Marvel, they've got around ten thousand films out there at the moment and even a few of them are decent...

Don't like their style? Then turn on your television and watch one of the dozen or so shows on there.

Really the only people I pity are those who are sick of or outright hate superheros altogether cause there's litrally nowhere for them to escape it.

Well I do have my other option, its called Comic Books themselves, and I want to read Final Crisis, Flashpoint, and New 52 Justice League.

If you don't read a lot of comics do yourself a favor and don't start with Final Crisis. Morrison is great, but unless you are extremely familiar with most of DC's characters and universe a lot of the story will be lost on you. Plus the plot is incredibly convoluted and confusing. Some people love the book but many do not like it at all. It's one of the most divisive DC stories ever. Morrison's run on Batman is great though.

OT: I don't want a reboot I just want them to start making good movies. I love DC and its characters but I refuse to give WB any more of my money until they start making well written, edited, and acted movies. If they put out a movie that accurately portrays my favorite characters and has a coherent plot with good writing I will go to every one at least once. I want to give them my money but at this point they've made it hard to support them.

That is why I am starting with Infinite Crisis than 52 than Final Crisis.

Sure, but reading the New 52 isn't going to give you any additional insight into the pre-Flashpoint comics that feed into Final Crisis. It's up to you I'm just saying you might be better off spending your time and money on other novels.

No I mean this 52:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_(comics)